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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

By NICOLA CLARK and DAN BILEFSKYMARCH 25, 2015

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2015, 12:28:34 am »
We'll wait and see but that does not sound good at all!
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2015, 12:30:01 am »
 
Religion of the pilot locked-in?

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 12:41:25 am »

Religion of the pilot locked-in?

More likely procedural failure. I believe that protocol mandates a locked flight deck, even if one member of the flight crew requests to go aft. What if the remaining pilot lost consciousness, leaving the co-pilot with no means of re-entry, even in an emergency? Horrible result, irrespective of the reason.   
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 12:50:54 am »
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 01:41:07 am »
More likely procedural failure. I believe that protocol mandates a locked flight deck, even if one member of the flight crew requests to go aft. What if the remaining pilot lost consciousness, leaving the co-pilot with no means of re-entry, even in an emergency? Horrible result, irrespective of the reason.

What if both left the cockpit for some reason, breaking procedure and the door closed behind them?
However, I did hear from a flight attendant that there is a way on all planes for them to open the door that is very secret.

Still, I don't want to be 'that guy' but I'm waiting to hear the co-pilot's name. Not that it actually means anything but still..

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 01:43:49 am »
Former NTSB expert just on Megan's show saying it is most likely mass murder/suicide by pilot....every points to it
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 01:46:10 am »
Former NTSB expert just on Megan's show saying it is most likely mass murder/suicide by pilot....every points to it

Check the religion of the locked-in pilot...


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 01:51:02 am »

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The New York Times reports one of the pilots on that doomed German jetliner -- was locked out of the cockpit. The cockpit voice recorder picked up sounds of pilot banging on the door. Meanwhile, the airline has yet to release the identities of the pilots.
Well, now...
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 01:52:36 am »
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The New York Times reports one of the pilots on that doomed German jetliner -- was locked out of the cockpit. The cockpit voice recorder picked up sounds of pilot banging on the door. Meanwhile, the airline has yet to release the identities of the pilots.
Well, now...

Yeah, there's a reason they don't want to reveal the identities of the pilots.

Allah is pleased with the sacrifice that was offered to him...   /s


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 12:02:56 pm »
Hmm, I believe I speculated on that very thing on the original thread
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 12:07:35 pm »
 :pondering:
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 12:23:23 pm »
BBC News Conference going on now. All signs say it was deliberate. Co-Pilot's name was Andreas Lubitz, not on a terrorist watch list of any sort, religion unknown.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 12:31:25 pm »
What if both left the cockpit for some reason, breaking procedure and the door closed behind them?
However, I did hear from a flight attendant that there is a way on all planes for them to open the door that is very secret.

Still, I don't want to be 'that guy' but I'm waiting to hear the co-pilot's name. Not that it actually means anything but still..

Members of the flight crew can open the door to the flight deck from the outside by means of a keypad code. However, this ability can be overriden manually by a crew member on the inside.
 
It is truly beginning to sound like a deliberate act.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 12:44:44 pm »
The only one on FB with this name who has recent posts on his timeline. Last post was around 6:30 AM his time the day of the crash. I'm not saying that is him, but if someone can translate German better than I, it may be worth browsing his posts.
https://www.facebook.com/andreas.lubitz.9

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 12:53:11 pm »

First picture: Germanwings co-pilot - 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz (above) - locked his captain out of the cockpit before deliberately crashing into a mountain to 'destroy the plane', it has been revealed



Access to the cockpit door on the Germanwings Airbus A320 (like the one above) can be disabled from inside the flight deck, raising speculation that one of the pilots deliberately locked the other out

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html#ixzz3VUnmDAyZ

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 01:08:07 pm »
BBC News Conference going on now. All signs say it was deliberate. Co-Pilot's name was Andreas Lubitz, not on a terrorist watch list of any sort, religion unknown.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html


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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 01:13:20 pm »
The only one on FB with this name who has recent posts on his timeline. Last post was around 6:30 AM his time the day of the crash. I'm not saying that is him, but if someone can translate German better than I, it may be worth browsing his posts.
https://www.facebook.com/andreas.lubitz.9

Google translate does pretty well.  I use it to communicate with some relatives in Germany. 

They were amazed at how good my 'german' was...    :silly:

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2015, 01:15:44 pm »
BBC News Conference going on now. All signs say it was deliberate. Co-Pilot's name was Andreas Lubitz, not on a terrorist watch list of any sort, religion unknown.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Hopefully the Germans aren't stupid enough to let someone on a terrorist watch list co-pilot a plane.

The U.S., however...

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 01:47:16 pm »
There's no damned reason whatsoever for either pilot OR co-pilot to leave the cockpit.

Treat them like astronauts.  Gotta piss?  Wear the proper flight-suit.

Once that plane moves, they are confined to the cabin.  Period.
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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2015, 01:50:09 pm »

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Could be, or maybe just your garden variety psycho.

Wasn't it a bit early in the flight for the pilot to leave the cockpit? I wonder why.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 02:00:27 pm »
Could be, or maybe just your garden variety psycho.

Wasn't it a bit early in the flight for the pilot to leave the cockpit? I wonder why.

Maybe there was a contrived disturbance out in the passenger area?

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Re: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2015, 02:09:38 pm »
Could be, or maybe just your garden variety psycho.

Wasn't it a bit early in the flight for the pilot to leave the cockpit? I wonder why.

That's true. He could have been nuts or depressed (did he lose a child or spouse). He could have been acting on another influence (political motivation other than religious?) He could have been under duress in some way (crash the plane or we kill your kid).

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2015, 02:10:15 pm »
Maybe there was a contrived disturbance out in the passenger area?

Does that model Airbus have a bathroom for the pilots?

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2015, 02:11:28 pm »
Google translate does pretty well.  I use it to communicate with some relatives in Germany. 

They were amazed at how good my 'german' was...    :silly:

Mostly his page is a bunch of image memes (and I don't have time to go through each and type it out in translate) but many seem political or activist in nature, that's what I'm curious about.