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Senate to vote on whether climate change is happening 511682
« on: January 13, 2015, 09:37:50 pm »
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/229381-mcconnell-to-allow-climate-change-amendment-on-keystone-bill

By Laura Barron-Lopez - 01/13/15 03:26 PM EST
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday he will allow the Senate to vote on an amendment asking if they agree that climate change is impacting the planet.

At his weekly press briefing, McConnell said "nobody is blocking any amendments" to legislation that would approve construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.

The GOP leader had promised to allow an open amendment process on the Keystone bill.
But a measure proposed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) had raised questions about whether he would stick to that commitment.

The Sanders measure asks whether lawmakers agree with the overwhelming consensus of scientists who say climate change is impacting the planet and is worsened by human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.

Democrats believe the measure could be a tough vote for some Republicans, particularly GOP senators running for reelection in 2016 in states carred by President Obama in 2012.

McConnell shot back at reports he might block the Sanders amendment, exclaiming "yeah" when asked if his caucus is prepared to take a vote on climate change.

"Nobody is blocking any amendments except the senator from California who is making us burn 30 hours to begin to have this bill up and open for amendments," McConnell said, referring to Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)

McConnell was referring to opposition from Boxer and Democrats to ending debate on a motion to proceed to the Keystone bill. A deal to end that debate was reached not long after his comments.

"We are not anxious to block anybody's amendment, we are wide open. The Senate is out of practice here," McConnell addded.

Sanders's amendment is one of many Democrats are looking to tack on to the controversial bill, which Republicans are eager to send to President Obama's desk. The White House has threatened to veto the Keystone legislation.

Other amendments from Democrats include a requirement for oil companies to pay into a spill cleanup fund, and to block exports of the oil shipped via the Canada-to-Texas pipeline out of the U.S.
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Re: Senate to vote on whether climate change is happening 511682
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 04:33:30 am »
Well, the climate is going to continue to change whether the Senators vote on it or not!

Aside: the reality that the climate DOES change, and has been changing for eons, in all likelihood has absolutely nothing to do with human causation...

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Re: Senate to vote on whether climate change is happening 511682
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2015, 04:42:52 am »
Hmmm.  Just like Il Duce ordered the trains to operate on time.

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Re: Senate to vote on whether climate change is happening 511682
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2015, 08:19:38 am »
I think the Senators should vote on whether they agree with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, incorporating the concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle.

Okay, sarcasm off. Science is not a popularity contest. The Senate cannot popularize an unconfirmed hypothesis through a majority vote. This is stupid.

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Re: Senate to vote on whether climate change is happening 511682
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2015, 09:29:51 am »
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Other amendments from Democrats include a requirement for oil companies to pay into a spill cleanup fund, and to block exports of the oil shipped via the Canada-to-Texas pipeline out of the U.S.
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The first one - oil companies already do that. Extensively, between insurance, government graft (AKA political contributions) and various fees. I think it's cheaper to drill and process in Nigeria - at least there the graft is honest.
The second - the Canadians might have a few words about that, since one of the pipeline selling points to them is the superb processing facilities Texas has. Cheaper for the Canadian companies to sell the raw oil to Texas and buy finished products back.

Okay, sarcasm off. Science is not a popularity contest. The Senate cannot popularize an unconfirmed hypothesis through a majority vote. This is stupid.

Beyond stupid. All legislators should have at least a basic grasp of science and the scientific method as a prerequisite for running for office. Give them a written exam on it.

In terms of climate change (an acceptable term) - as Fisherman said, climate always changes. It's a hugely complex system and highly unpredictable. While there is some solid evidence that human action does affect climate, so far it seems to be a bit of a wash in terms of which way the effect goes. One action causes localized heating, another causes cooling.
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