James Zogby: France Must Assimilate Immigrants

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/James-Zogby-France-Muslims-immigrants/2015/01/13/id/618293/

 James Zogby: France Must Assimilate Immigrants

Tuesday, 13 Jan 2015 11:23 AM

By Courtney Coren


Newsmax
James Zogby: France Must Assimilate Immigrants
Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:23 AM

By: Courtney Coren

One of the biggest problems facing France is that it does not assimilate its Muslim immigrants, says James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute.

"America does and that's the difference. That's who we are ... within a generation you become an American," Zogby told J.D. Hayworth on "America's Forum" on Newsmax TV Tuesday.


"We've assimilated generations of people who came here with anarchist ideas and communist ideas and fascist ideas, and they become Americans," he said.

"That doesn't happen in France — you're there for three generations and you're still an Arab, you're still looked at as Algerian," he said.

According to Zogby, this is also a problem in other European countries as well, such as England and Germany.

"In England, I recall being there after one of the recent elections, and the story in the Sunday Times said, 'Historic Election: 23 Immigrants Won Seats in the Parliament,'" Zogby said. "I knew some of those guys, they'd been in London for three generations, and yet they were still called immigrants."

The same problem has also happened in Germany, but "[German Chancellor Angela] Merkel has taken the right step by saying we are all German and committing herself to that," he said.

"France has to commit itself to that, too," he added.

"I'm not absolving, of course, in any way the horrendous violence, but understand that France has a problem, and that is that it doesn't assimilate because it doesn't expand the definition of being French to include other groups," he said.

France was hit last week with three days of terrorist attacks, beginning with a shooting at the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, in which 12 were killed. A total of 17 people, including three police officers, died.

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One of the biggest problems facing France is that it does not assimilate its Muslim immigrants, says James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute.

"America does and that's the difference. That's who we are ... within a generation you become an American," Zogby told J.D. Hayworth on "America's Forum" on Newsmax TV Tuesday.

Hence the commonly-used term 'African-American' and the existence of the Congressional Black Caucus...

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Zogby COULD have stated that the immigrant has a responsibility to assimilate, and cite many examples of those who have.

I believe the differentiating FACT would be religion. Arab Christians have assimilated in Europe and in America, but muslims just not the case.

Therefore the fault lies with the immigrant and his community, not with the host country.

I think if elections were held, virtually all these hosting countries in Europe would say they regret the mistake of letting so many in, and then continuing to let them in even with sufficient evidence how poorly it was for the country.

BTW it basically all stems from certain factors. Germany needed workers, so they let in guestworkers. They came from Italy, Greece, Portugal, Spain, and of course from Turkey.

Guess which ones didn't work out so well? The muslim ones, only.

As a cold war carryover, NATO countries were partial to muslim refugees of the Yugoslav breakup, and let muslims settle in the West.  They have turned out to be problems.

The British (Commonwealth of Nations) Empire left Pakistanis with the right to freely settle in the UK. Those have been problems.

In every case the factor is islam.

Sweden doesn't have problems with Finns. It has problems with muslims. Holland doesn't have problems with Dutch Surinam (So. America), but it has problems with muslims.

Australia doesn't have problems with Vietnamese or Chinese, but it has problems with muslims.

So President al-Sissi of Egypt is exactly correct, in stating publicly that islam needs a revolution.

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Arab Christians have assimilated in Europe and in America, but muslims just not the case.

Not entirely correct - though I'm in agreement with most of your points.

There are plenty of Arab Muslims who have integrated. They are the ones who came here to get away from the shit at home, using their own money and own gumption. Sound familiar? It should. Their integration has caused problems from their children, who haven't been "inoculated" to the dangers of radicalism, but mostly they just get along.

The biggest problem is the refugees. Since no one really knows what to do with them, they get dumped together in enclaves with no need or incentive to integrate. Looking at the UK, for example, I can compare the Somalians and the Vietnamese boat people as a way not to deal with refugees, and the right way to do it.
When the Vietnamese came in, they were split up deliberately, with no more than two or three families per borough. Because of that, ghettos never formed and, with them being a curiosity in a lot of places, they were made welcome by the locals. Learned English because they had to, settled in and started working, and became valued members of the community within the space of a few years.
The Somalians, on the other hand, get lumped together in estates. With hundreds of neighbors who sling the same lingo and have the same beliefs there is no incentive at all to make any effort to get along with the locals. Think of the original Chinatowns or Little Italys, but without the work ethic.

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I made this point several days ago. You can live your entire life in France, become a citizen, and in your dying bed you would still not be considered French.