MSNBC Hack Touré Wonders if Islamic Terrorism is Really about Islam

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MSNBC Hack Touré Wonders if Islamic Terrorism is Really about Islam

By Onan Coca   / 16 December 2014   / 8 Comments   

 

So the title of this article might make it sound like MSNBC has reached a new low in political and cultural reporting... and they have. I kid you not Touré really did wonder if Islamic terrorism is actually connected to Islam...

Here’s Touré’s exact quote so you can join me in marveling at the sheer idiocy of the thought process.

“Is this really about Islam or about maniacs who twist the Koran to their own twisted sort of desires?”

Oh boy.

The same comment could be made anytime anyone does anything for any reason. Examples, was the Spanish Inquisition really about Christianity or about the maniacs twisting the Bible to their own desires? Was the WWI really about the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand or about the maniacs who used the event for their own twisted desires? Was the Civil War really about keeping the Union together or some maniacs who were twisting the constitution to their own desires?

See? Whether or not the reasons are correct, you can literally do this with ANYTHING.

Yes, Touré – Islamic terrorism is all about Islam. To use the colorful local vernacular... no doy!
 

Partial Transcript:

TOURE: Dan, Jim is putting it in a really in a bow in terms of saying we have a guy, a single guy who wants to be a terrorist and thus he's acting in a way that perhaps ISIS would want him to, even though they may not actually even know him. And we see similar things happening here and there, around the world. How are we, as the sort of civilized community, going to deal with a world when any lone wolf can pop up in the name of ISIS, in the name of al-Nusra, what have you, and start doing terroristic things?

DAN O'SHEA, GROM TECHNOLOGIES: Well, again, all these great feedbacks brought up by my two colleagues about the escalation of the violence, the threat ISIS is posing and you're absolutely right. This was a lone gunman. It could have been far worse. But the reality of dealing with the larger issue itself, that this is a fight within Islam. There must be a much more aggressive calling out because these gentlemen, they are quoting the Koran, they are calling it -- that's what inspires them to do this. So, this is going to be a very long hard look within the Islam community and Australian Nationalists asking the hard questions.

TOURE: But, Dan, is this really about Islam or about maniacs who twist the Koran to their own twisted sort of desires?

 
O'SHEA: Well, you have to understand, this guy and others are being radicalized -- call it what you will, but being radicalized by the exploitation of social media. And this guy was using all avenues, from posting on YouTube, he was having his hostages calling into local radio stations. So he was taking a playbook right out of ISIS to basically spread the word. And that's the problem, it's inspiring more and more of these attacks. Again, this was a lone wolf, a crackpot, a claimed cleric, if you will, a Muslim cleric, but by all indications this guy was his guy was really a criminal leading down to probably a terrorist and the jihadist calling. But it's growing.

The fact this guy is from Iran really probably a Shia (Editor's note: He was Sunni), I would assume, with be making no connection to ISIS makes no sense. The majority of people getting killed in Iraq and Syria today are Shia, being killed by ISIS or ISIL, they're predominantly Sunni and taking that Sunni strand. So this is a larger fight within Islam itself about addressing these problems and how are they not pushing this out because people are getting radicalized. And it's not just happening on social media, it is happening in mosques around the world as well.

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/12716/msnbc-hack-toure-wonders-islamic-terrorism-really-islam/#QoArQfGXvzp6KE6M.99

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The question itself is not objectionable.  One might equally ask of white separatists, who often espouse Christianity, if they're really about Christianity, or if they're just twisting Christianity to fit their own twisted desires.

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It seems his question is more questionable concerning islam since Islamic terrorist attacks occur every day around the entire world; no one and nowhere is excluded.  His question is like is it fair to say Attila wasn't a Hun because the Hun savages actually did the killing?

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The question itself is not objectionable.  One might equally ask of white separatists, who often espouse Christianity, if they're really about Christianity, or if they're just twisting Christianity to fit their own twisted desires.

What percentage of Christians support White Separatists?  Heck, what percentage of Christians would support a killer of abortionists Like Eric Rudolph?  Compare that number to the number of Muslims who support Terrorism against the West: 

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.  1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.  13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/