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Elizabeth Warren is catching fire
« on: December 14, 2014, 08:29:39 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/elizabeth-warren-budget-cromnibus-2016-elections-113561.html?ml=po

Elizabeth Warren is catching fire

The Massachusetts senator's latest moves inspire liberals hoping for a 2016 challenge to Clinton.

By Katie Glueck

12/13/14 7:12 PM EST

Updated 12/14/14 11:27 AM EST

Ready for Warren? Run, Liz, Run? Run, Warren, Run? Draft Warren?

Progressive activists haven’t agreed on what to call the movement urging Sen. Elizabeth Warren to run for president, but they largely concur on this: With every recent anti-establishment move, the Massachusetts Democrat grows more attractive as a 2016 candidate, both in her own right and as a progressive foil for Hillary Clinton.

Such sentiments were on vivid display this week at RootsCamp, a gathering of some 2,000 progressive activists held in Washington, D.C. The event was held as Warren and others on the left have been denouncing the “cromnibus” spending bill winding its way through Congress over provisions they say are too friendly to Wall Street.

One panel at the conference, for instance, was called #HillaryProblems, and it delved into the disconnect between the Democratic establishment and the grass roots. Another was devoted to the “Draft Warren” movement, and it included members of groups such as MoveOn.org, which has pledged to spend at least $1 million to nudge the senator into the race, something she has said she won’t do.



Interviews with more than a dozen attendees, along with comments from panelists, suggest that Clinton — who many on the left view as too hawkish and soft on Wall Street — is still struggling to generate enthusiasm among progressives, even as she’s all but certain to announce a 2016 bid within a few months. The lack of excitement is especially palpable among younger liberals, the set that helped power Barack Obama to the Democratic nod over Clinton in 2008.

Warren, on the other hand, has seen her liberal stock rise even higher in recent days. Her fury over the “cromnibus” bill has further inspired her supporters, as has her loud opposition to Antonio Weiss, a presidential nominee for a Treasury Department post who has ties to Wall Street. On issues such as income inequality, student loan reform and more, progressives interviewed felt Warren could better channel their frustrations than Clinton. And they see her presence in a primary as a guarantee that Clinton would have to move further left and talk more about progressive issues.

“This is Elizabeth Warren’s moment,” said Ben Wikler, MoveOn’s Washington director, during the “Draft Warren” panel. “[We] can see [that] this week when the bill that was about to sail through Congress became a national fight because Elizabeth Warren raised the alarm.”

Clinton has not commented on the $1.1 trillion spending bill, which Warren claims will undo reforms made under the Dodd-Frank law. The former secretary of state’s silence has not gone unnoticed among the crowd at the conference.



“I’d love to see [Clinton] match [Warren’s] talking points in terms of the economy, just reforming Wall Street,” said Nick Moe, a political and environmental activist from Alaska. “She’s been absolutely silent as the Dodd-Frank legislation is being rolled back. Where was she?”

A representative for Clinton didn’t respond to a request for comment for this story. But Clinton, who is the overwhelming Democratic favorite for 2016, has repeatedly stressed her support for student loan reform and slammed economic inequality in a series of speeches over the past year. At the same time, her missteps, such as describing how she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, were “dead broke” upon leaving the White House, and details about her $250,000-plus speaking fees, have hurt her.

She is expected to appear with former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Monday at an event held at the billionaire’s Bloomberg Philanthropies in New York.

As Warren railed against the massive spending bill, more than 300 former Obama campaign staffers released an open letter urging her to run for president. Meanwhile, MoveOn.org — which was previously most prominent during the debates over the Iraq War — reemerged to promote a Warren presidential bid. The group hosted one of at least two pro-Warren booths on Saturday and is planning a Des Moines kickoff next week, along with staff hires in Iowa, as part of its broader investment. The group also plans to organize in New Hampshire.



“Warren has been such a focal point, a leader in Congress,” said Erica Sagrans, the campaign manager of the super PAC Ready for Warren, which is urging the senator to run. “A lot of big things shifted the possibilities [this week], making it more likely she’ll run.”

Ready for Warren’s booth featured a cardboard cutout of Warren fashioned as Katniss Everdeen, the main character in “The Hunger Games,” the dystopian books and films. (Sagrans said big banks were the enemy in that scenario, not Clinton.) The booth also offered bumper stickers, posters and postcards in support of a Warren presidential bid.

Not everyone at the conference thought Warren could actually win the presidency. During the Draft Warren panel, for instance, one attendee voiced skepticism about her ultimate victory as part of a pitch about party unity.

So far, among Democrats who have expressed openness to running in 2016, there doesn’t appear to be a serious challenge to Clinton. Former Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia has launched an exploratory committee, while outgoing Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley is mulling a run as well. But attendees said they want Warren to run because even if she doesn’t win the Democratic nomination, she would push important issues to the forefront in a way more moderate candidates wouldn’t. They pointed to issues including protecting Social Security, reforming the student loan program and reeling in Wall Street.



“It makes me a little discouraged,” said Aliya Wishner, 23, who works for the Sierra Club in Indiana, of the prospect of an uncontested Democratic primary. “When we’re electing someone to run the free world, we need to have a conversation. … Hillary’s a woman; that’s great, but that [tells us] nothing about how she’d run our country.”

Some of Warren’s more die-hard fans wouldn’t even entertain the idea that she could lose.

When Ruth Moreno, a 21-year-old student at Florida International University, expressed enthusiasm for Warren but doubted she could win in a general election, her friend Vanessa Rolon, 26, shushed her.

The conference draws a progressive crowd that breaks with the staunchly pro-Clinton views held by most leaders of the Democratic Party, including many prominent alumni of the Obama campaign. Still, it appeared to be a more buttoned-up gathering than the freewheeling liberal confab Netroots Nation, a blogger-centric event held over the summer.

Saturday’s event included clusters of campaign operatives who were relatively careful in their language; some partially obscured their “Run, Liz, Run” shirts with blazers, and others voiced undiluted enthusiasm about a Clinton bid.

But the broad sentiment was similar to that found at Netroots: if the election is between Clinton and a Republican, they’ll go with Clinton, whom they respect. But they want to see her have to fight for the Democratic nomination.

“I do like Hillary Clinton,” said Courage Kimber, a political consultant and organizer. But, she added, “People are fatigued already.”


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Re: Elizabeth Warren is catching fire
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2014, 08:32:44 pm »
Attractive to whom?  I think one of the messages of the 2014 elections was that the voters have grown tired and wary of ideologues, of both stripes.  Warren is the ideologues' ideologue.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2014, 08:40:03 pm »
Attractive to whom?  I think one of the messages of the 2014 elections was that the voters have grown tired and wary of ideologues, of both stripes.  Warren is the ideologues' ideologue.

Aside from the fact that she looks like her face should be on a box of Grandma's Cookies and her voice is just an increment below that of Hillary's in terms of sounding like a shrew.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren is catching fire
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 09:12:24 pm »
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With every recent anti-establishment move, the Massachusetts Democrat grows more attractive as a 2016 candidate, both in her own right and as a progressive foil for Hillary Clinton.
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One panel at the conference, for instance, was called #HillaryProblems, and it delved into the disconnect between the Democratic establishment and the grass roots.
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And they see her presence in a primary as a guarantee that Clinton would have to move further left and talk more about progressive issues.
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But attendees said they want Warren to run because even if she doesn’t win the Democratic nomination, she would push important issues to the forefront in a way more moderate candidates wouldn’t. They pointed to issues including protecting Social Security, reforming the student loan program and reeling in Wall Street.
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Some of Warren’s more die-hard fans wouldn’t even entertain the idea that she could lose.
rat against rat.  Clinton VS Warren.  Delicious.
The rat base wants to move the party to a more extreme agenda.  They think they need to talk MORE about the issues that the base loves.  They are excited that Warren is against the establishment.  They think she can't lose.

Who thinks they are correct?

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Re: Elizabeth Warren is catching fire
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 09:20:42 pm »
Dismiss her, but recognize she was a debate champ, and in a Presidential year, a constituency comes out to vote that likes her left-populist ideology.

Just for fun, I would love to watch a serious debate between her and Cruz, and perhaps between her and Rand Paul.

Republicans of all stripes need to refine their arguments, because the middle class IS shrinking, and center-left populism is very appealing. And Elizabeth carries that message, very effectively.

The right will only hurt themselves by playing childish games, over her supposed Native American ancestry if any.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2014, 09:20:50 pm »
If it came down to Elizabeth Warren versus Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, Warren would win hands down.  People are disaffected with Washington and they want authentic, honest representation as opposed to people who are managed by marketing "experts" and twist their positions to suit the current thinking of the electorate. 

If I am going to get stabbed, I'd rather get stabbed in the front than in the back.  At least Elizabeth Warren will tell me she's a big government socialist, whereas Romney pretends to be a conservative while supporting the same basic, government expansionist policies Warren does.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 09:22:59 pm »
I have a funny feeling that if she runs for president - it will be like Wendy Davis deja vu all over again!

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 09:50:17 pm »
Dismiss her, but recognize she was a debate champ, and in a Presidential year, a constituency comes out to vote that likes her left-populist ideology.

Just for fun, I would love to watch a serious debate between her and Cruz, and perhaps between her and Rand Paul.

Republicans of all stripes need to refine their arguments, because the middle class IS shrinking, and center-left populism is very appealing. And Elizabeth carries that message, very effectively.

The right will only hurt themselves by playing childish games, over her supposed Native American ancestry if any.

Yes. Attacking big business and oil companies (when prices are dropping through the floor) and, most of all, big banks and "Wall Street" are popular. But nobody in recent memory has won running against American corporations. Like immigration, people have strong feelings about Huey-Long-populism, but they don't vote on it.

If Obama has proved anything, it's big, out-of-control government that is screwing people over, with regulations, surveillance, IRS targeting, and a ridiculous, expensive health care overhaul. I'd rather be running against the federal leviathan than Citicorp.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 11:01:53 pm »
Yes. Attacking big business and oil companies (when prices are dropping through the floor) and, most of all, big banks and "Wall Street" are popular. But nobody in recent memory has won running against American corporations.

But they have succeeded running based on class warfare, and that is pretty much the same thing.  Mitt Romney is a poster boy for everything that is perceived to be wrong with the country from the perspective of BOTH the right and the left.  The people are being left out of the equation while those who can afford to buy influence run roughshod over the rest of us.  The only difference between the left and right is that the left still thinks government can be reformed, whereas the right recognizes that government power must be limited.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2014, 11:15:08 pm »
But they have succeeded running based on class warfare, and that is pretty much the same thing.  Mitt Romney is a poster boy for everything that is perceived to be wrong with the country from the perspective of BOTH the right and the left.  The people are being left out of the equation while those who can afford to buy influence run roughshod over the rest of us.  The only difference between the left and right is that the left still thinks government can be reformed, whereas the right recognizes that government power must be limited.
Populism from both the left and right, has appeals. Warren, Cruz and Paul, voting the same positions reflects proof of the strength populism could wield in an election.

Look at this spending bill, passed by establishment politicians up the center. Highest priorities seem to be keeping the government running without break, and protecting cronies in business and banking.

What about the middle class? And before blurting out partisan positions, remember 42% of the electorate identify as Independents.

 
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2014, 11:41:32 pm »
Populism from both the left and right, has appeals. Warren, Cruz and Paul, voting the same positions reflects proof of the strength populism could wield in an election.

Look at this spending bill, passed by establishment politicians up the center. Highest priorities seem to be keeping the government running without break, and protecting cronies in business and banking.

What about the middle class? And before blurting out partisan positions, remember 42% of the electorate identify as Independents.

I tell all the candidates I work for - be a conservative populist. You can say about anything you want, no matter how radical, if you put it in populist terms. Whoever grabs the convo and wins the hearts and minds in that regard has the leg up on winning.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren is catching fire
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 12:52:44 am »
Dismiss her, but recognize she was a debate champ, and in a Presidential year, a constituency comes out to vote that likes her left-populist ideology.

Just for fun, I would love to watch a serious debate between her and Cruz, and perhaps between her and Rand Paul.

Republicans of all stripes need to refine their arguments, because the middle class IS shrinking, and center-left populism is very appealing. And Elizabeth carries that message, very effectively.

The right will only hurt themselves by playing childish games, over her supposed Native American ancestry if any.


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But they have succeeded running based on class warfare, and that is pretty much the same thing.

But only for just short of 3/4 of a century!  You would think that they would eventually learn that it doesn't work  Oh! Wait a minute! I HAS worked and continues to work!

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 01:34:40 am »
Dismiss her, but recognize she was a debate champ, and in a Presidential year, a constituency comes out to vote that likes her left-populist ideology.

Just for fun, I would love to watch a serious debate between her and Cruz, and perhaps between her and Rand Paul.

Republicans of all stripes need to refine their arguments, because the middle class IS shrinking, and center-left populism is very appealing. And Elizabeth carries that message, very effectively.

The right will only hurt themselves by playing childish games, over her supposed Native American ancestry if any.

No, I do not dismiss Warren, I think she will be the DEM nominee.  What is interesting about her is while the middle class IS shrinking her wealth is steadily growing; her lies and warped progressive perception also keep growing.  Liberalism is dead.

A debate champ?  Really? I've only listened to a couple of her speeches ... but perhaps she should borrow Barrack's teleprompter.

... "Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton). Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz."

In addition Cruz is the first Hispanic Solicitor General and is currently one of only 3 Latinos in the Senate and he openly identifies with the Tea Party movement.  He been endorsed by the Republican Liberty Caucus. On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the committee that seeks to elect more Republicans to the Senate.

Looks like he succeeded ... the GOP tidal wave hit hard this November.

Ted Cruz is golden!  Bring it!

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2014, 02:15:21 am »
No, I do not dismiss Warren, I think she will be the DEM nominee.  What is interesting about her is while the middle class IS shrinking her wealth is steadily growing; her lies and warped progressive perception also keep growing.  Liberalism is dead.

A debate champ?  Really? I've only listened to a couple of her speeches ... but perhaps she should borrow Barrack's teleprompter.

... "Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton). Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship. Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz."

In addition Cruz is the first Hispanic Solicitor General and is currently one of only 3 Latinos in the Senate and he openly identifies with the Tea Party movement.  He been endorsed by the Republican Liberty Caucus. On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the committee that seeks to elect more Republicans to the Senate.

Looks like he succeeded ... the GOP tidal wave hit hard this November.

Ted Cruz is golden!  Bring it!

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2014, 02:23:25 am »
The hope for a messiah to 'save us' continues, in this case... politically.

It never works and always ends the same way.

Any principled man who cannot be controlled ends up replaced very quickly... one way or another.


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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2014, 03:44:45 am »
alicewonders wrote above (regarding Teepee Lizzie):
[[ Aside from the fact that she looks like her face should be on a box of Grandma's Cookies...]]

Let me ask you this, straight up, Alice:

You're walking down the supermarket cookie aisle.
You come up to the "democratic cookies".
There's one box, with Grandma Lizzie on the label, big grin.
There's another box, with over-the-Hillary on it, looking like a shrew trying to smile.

Which box are you going to choose?

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2014, 05:25:06 am »
If I am going to get stabbed, I'd rather get stabbed in the front than in the back.  At least Elizabeth Warren will tell me she's a big government socialist, whereas Romney pretends to be a conservative while supporting the same basic, government expansionist policies Warren does.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2014, 05:35:55 am »
alicewonders wrote above (regarding Teepee Lizzie):
[[ Aside from the fact that she looks like her face should be on a box of Grandma's Cookies...]]

Let me ask you this, straight up, Alice:

You're walking down the supermarket cookie aisle.
You come up to the "democratic cookies".
There's one box, with Grandma Lizzie on the label, big grin.




There's another box, with over-the-Hillary on it, looking like a shrew trying to smile.

Which box are you going to choose?

Ok, you got me fisherrman!  I'm going for the Grandma Lizzie cookies! 

But that's COOKIES!  You want someone that looks like your Grandma on cookies.  Young people aren't going to want to vote for someone that looks like either Grandma or Shrewlery.  I don't think either one will resonate. 

I stand by my prediction that the next Democrat nominee will be a young Hispanic man!

The only people excited by Grandma or Hillary are FemiNazi's.  Old FemiNazi's. 

But, gimme some of those Grandma Lizzie's chocolate chip cookies!

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2014, 06:44:32 am »
Ok, you got me fisherrman!  I'm going for the Grandma Lizzie cookies! 

But that's COOKIES!  You want someone that looks like your Grandma on cookies.  Young people aren't going to want to vote for someone that looks like either Grandma or Shrewlery.  I don't think either one will resonate. 

I stand by my prediction that the next Democrat nominee will be a young Hispanic man!

The only people excited by Grandma or Hillary are FemiNazi's.  Old FemiNazi's. 

But, gimme some of those Grandma Lizzie's chocolate chip cookies!

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2014, 01:14:12 pm »
Maybe not the next one, but soon.



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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2014, 02:52:35 pm »
Ok, you got me fisherrman!  I'm going for the Grandma Lizzie cookies! 

But that's COOKIES!  You want someone that looks like your Grandma on cookies.  Young people aren't going to want to vote for someone that looks like either Grandma or Shrewlery.  I don't think either one will resonate. 

I stand by my prediction that the next Democrat nominee will be a young Hispanic man!

The only people excited by Grandma or Hillary are FemiNazi's.  Old FemiNazi's. 

But, gimme some of those Grandma Lizzie's chocolate chip cookies!

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I've been saying it here for a long time now. Warren will win the nomination. The media loves her. Warren will get the Obama treatment. The left has decided that next in line is a woman. I'd be very surprised if an Hispanic man beat out a woman in the Democrats identity parade.

Warren will be nominated and she'll win, because the GOP will nominate someone like Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney.

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 03:04:28 pm »
Warren will be nominated and she'll win, because the GOP will nominate someone like Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2015, 01:18:14 am »
Maybe not the next one, but soon.



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