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Update: On November 20, South Carolina began issuing same-sex marriages after the Supreme Court and Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals denied stays on a decision that struck down the state's marriage ban.

Since 2013, when the Supreme Court struck down the federal ban on same-sex marriage, lower courts have followed with their own decisions effectively ending same-sex marriage bans in several states.

As the decisions pile up, it can get a little difficult to track which same-sex marriage bans are legally valid and which have been overturned. This simple list tracks where each state stands.
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Only because of judicial activism. 

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Only because of judicial activism.
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Only because of judicial activism.

To heck with the will of the people.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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To heck with the will of the people.

New DNC motto!!!   13291

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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Only because of judicial activism.

The judicial activism is following the significant cultural shift toward same-sex relationships and marriage.  Today there's not a poll that doesn't show support.  Democrats and Independents are overwhelmingly in favor; Republicans not so much.  But a few years ago the polling was far less favorable. Times have changed.
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The judicial activism is following the significant cultural shift toward same-sex relationships and marriage.  Today there's not a poll that doesn't show support.  Democrats and Independents are overwhelmingly in favor; Republicans not so much.  But a few years ago the polling was far less favorable. Times have changed.

Decades of propaganda will do that.........
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Decades of propaganda will do that.........

Can't argue that.  That ole' First Amendment might not be all it was cracked up to be...
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Can't argue that.  That ole' First Amendment might not be all it was cracked up to be...

It has nothing to do with not supporting the First Amendment, your sarcasm notwithstanding.

The bottom line is that the LEFT has been working for decades to destroy the moral fabric of this country, and one of those ways is normalizing homosexuality.  Their propaganda campaign has been VERY successful in persuading many people that something they know is not normal IS normal.

The chipping away from the left has been extremely successful.

Obviously.

(Not getting on the treadmill, MAC.  You've been persuaded, and nothing I say will change that).
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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It has nothing to do with not supporting the First Amendment, your sarcasm notwithstanding.

The bottom line is that the LEFT has been working for decades to destroy the moral fabric of this country, and one of those ways is normalizing homosexuality.  Their propaganda campaign has been VERY successful in persuading many people that something they know is not normal IS normal.

The chipping away from the left has been extremely successful.

Obviously.

(Not getting on the treadmill, MAC.  You've been persuaded, and nothing I say will change that).

I think you missed the point of my sarcasm.  And please don't assume what I may have been persuaded about.  No one has been forced to watch the movies or play the graphic video games.  No one has been forced to accept gay marriage or other such associations.  Gay marriage is no different from other efforts to change our culture going back to emancipation groups, women's rights groups, anti-miscegenation laws, birth control, abortion, and other such laws that were part of our culture.  All of these efforts start with some type of activism that defies the current culture and social acceptance.  They then begin a slow acceptance as people see more and more of it. 

I don't like even the idea of same-sex relationships!  But I also recognize I was brought up in that environment and I'm not going to suddenly like them.  I really don't have any logical reasons, especially religious, so I'm chalking it up to my bringing up.  Things change, and this has been one of them.  And yes, the First Amendment does protect minority groups.  It's not just for the majority.
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THE NAKED COMMUNIST: 45 COMMUNIST GOALS

On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr. of Florida read a list of 45 Communist goals into the Congressional
Record. The list was derived from researcher Cleon Skousen’s book “The Naked Communist.” These principles are well
worth revisiting today in order to gain insights into the thinking and strategies of much of our so-called liberal elite:

1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. [Note: These encapsulate the Kennan Doctrine, which
advocated for the "containment" of communism. Establishment figures supporting the amoral containment policy at least
implicitly worked with the communists in scaring the wits out of the American people concerning atomic war. President Ronald
Reagan undid the doctrine when he took an aggressive stand against the Evil Empire by backing freedom fighters from around the
world that were struggling against the left-wing communist jackboot. As a result, the Soviet Union and its satellites imploded, a
considerable and unexpected setback to the international communist edifice.]

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength." [Note: The nuclear freeze
advocates supported a freeze on American nuclear development only. Rarely were Soviet nukes or those of other nations
mentioned in their self-righteous tirades. The same advocates now call for reducing American military might, claiming that there is
something immoral about America preserving its military pre-eminence in the world.]

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for
war. [Note: Today, there are calls to end the embargo on the slave island of Cuba, there were complaints about the embargo
against Iraq, and the U.S., not Saddam Hussein, was blamed for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Would they have advocated for
free trade with Hitler and his National Socialist regime?]
 
5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. [Note: Such aid and trade over decades contributed
greatly to the left-wing communist liquidation of over 100 million people worldwide, according to the well-documented "Black
Book of Communism." This aid and trade marks a shameful chapter in American history. Without the aid and trade, the left-wing
international communist behemoth would have imploded on its own rot a lot sooner and umpteen millions would have been saved
from poverty, misery, starvation and death.]

7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N. [Note: Not only did President Jimmy Carter fulfill this
goal but he also betrayed America’s allies in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Afghanistan, Angola and elsewhere.]
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free
elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with
its own independent armed forces. [Note: There are still American intellectuals, and elected members of Congress, who dream of
an eventual one world government and who view the U.N., founded by communists such as Alger Hiss, the first secretary-general,
as the instrument to bring this about. World government was also the dream of Adolf Hitler and J.V. Stalin. World government
was the dream of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers.]

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. [Note: While the idea of banning any political party runs contrary to notions of
American freedom and liberty, notions that are the exact opposite of those held by the left-wing communists themselves,
nevertheless these goals sought to undermine the constitutional obligation of Congress to investigate subversion. The weakening of
our government’s ability to conduct such investigations led to the attack of 9/11.]
 
13. Do away with loyalty oaths. [Note: It is entirely proper and appropriate for our government to expect employees, paid by the
American taxpayer, to take an oath of loyalty.]

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. [Note: In his book, "Reagan’s War," Peter Schweizer demonstrates the
astonishing degree to which communists and communist sympathizers have penetrated the Democratic Party. In his book,
Schweizer writes about the presidential election of 1979.]

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. [Note:
This strategy goes back to the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union by Fabian Socialists Roger Baldwin and John
Dewey and Communists William Z. Foster and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn among others.]

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the
curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack. [Note:The success
of these goals, from a communist perspective, is obvious. Is there any doubt this is so?]

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to
"eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio
and TV. [Note: This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover
of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to
resist.]

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy." [Note: Today those few who still have the
courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the
motives behind this agenda.]

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." [Note: This has been largely accomplished through the communist
infiltration of the National Council of Churches, Conservative and Reform Judaism, and the Catholic seminaries.]

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of
church and state"

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part
of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. [Note: Obliterating the American
past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.]

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare
programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders
which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. [Note: The Soviets used to send "social misfits" and those deemed
politically incorrect to massive mental institutions called gulags. The Red Chinese call them lao gai. Hitler called them
concentration camps.]

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
communist goals. [Note: Psychiatry remains a bulwark of the communist agenda of fostering self-criticism and docility.]

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. [Note: Done! The sovereign family is the single
most powerful obstacle to authoritarian control.]

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. [Note: Outcome-based education, values clarification or whatever they’re
calling it this year.]

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special
interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems. [Note: This describes the
dialectical fostering of group consciousness and conflict, which furthers the interests of authoritarianism.]

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems.
Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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I think you missed the point of my sarcasm.  And please don't assume what I may have been persuaded about.  No one has been forced to watch the movies or play the graphic video games.  No one has been forced to accept gay marriage or other such associations.  Gay marriage is no different from other efforts to change our culture going back to emancipation groups, women's rights groups, anti-miscegenation laws, birth control, abortion, and other such laws that were part of our culture.  All of these efforts start with some type of activism that defies the current culture and social acceptance.  They then begin a slow acceptance as people see more and more of it. 

I don't like even the idea of same-sex relationships!  But I also recognize I was brought up in that environment and I'm not going to suddenly like them.  I really don't have any logical reasons, especially religious, so I'm chalking it up to my bringing up.  Things change, and this has been one of them.  And yes, the First Amendment does protect minority groups.  It's not just for the majority.

I said I wasn't getting on this treadmill with you, MAC.  You've previously claimed that people on forums such as this are only here to spew what they believe, and not be persuaded (yet have bragged about your skills in 'winning' on forums such as this in nearly the same breath). 

Consider the argument 'won' by you.  The millennia of understanding of moral absolutes which I bring to the discussion isn't likely to sway your belief in polls, trends, and popular opinion, so there's not much use in continuing this discussion....

Is there??
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Since a lot of that never did come true and in fact it was Soviet Russia that failed and fell, are you suggesting that we're all victims of our own cultural decision-making...or maybe we're actually Marxists and don't know it? 
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I said I wasn't getting on this treadmill with you, MAC.  You've previously claimed that people on forums such as this are only here to spew what they believe, and not be persuaded (yet have bragged about your skills in 'winning' on forums such as this in nearly the same breath). 

Consider the argument 'won' by you.  The millennia of understanding of moral absolutes which I bring to the discussion isn't likely to sway your belief in polls, trends, and popular opinion, so there's not much use in continuing this discussion....

Is there??

I don't think I've ever talked about my skill at winning arguments.  I do recall your mentioning it once.  I get on here to simply add to the debate and give another view.  It's for others to read and digest or jump in.  And don't take these things so seriously.  Trust me...life isn't worth it.   ^-^
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Since a lot of that never did come true...

FAR too much of it DID come true

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... and in fact it was Soviet Russia that failed and fell...

The Soviet Union fell (that would have happened shortly after it came into existence had not WE kept propping it up!) but Communism is still with us right here in the USA today!

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... are you suggesting that we're all victims of our own cultural decision-making

I'm suggesting the propaganda works ant eh parts of that list I posted that HAVE come to fruition have a LOT to do with the condition in which we currently find ourselves!

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...or maybe we're actually Marxists and don't know it?

Were not but much of the intelligentsia in this country undoubtedly are! And that includes many politicians from all quarters!
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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I don't think I've ever talked about my skill at winning arguments.  I do recall your mentioning it once.  I get on here to simply add to the debate and give another view.  It's for others to read and digest or jump in.  And don't take these things so seriously.  Trust me...life isn't worth it.   ^-^

First.......... yes, you have.  Second, if I mentioned it it was in response to your braggadocio.

(And don't worry about me.  I take what's serious, seriously, but not internet discussions.  Morality IS serious.  And life IS worth fighting for it).

Back to the actual discussion of the thread.  Ohio is a light gray state on the map.  Ohioans voted against legalizing homosexual marriages.

Judicial activists are trying to overturn the will of the people here in this state.

Thus, what could be the DNC motto............"To heck with the will of the people."

That's how the left is getting their agenda through.
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No one has been forced to accept gay marriage or other such associations. 
Except those florists, bakers and wedding chapel owners who either toe the gay agenda line or pay a whopping fine. Christian pastors are next.
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It has nothing to do with not supporting the First Amendment, your sarcasm notwithstanding.

The bottom line is that the LEFT has been working for decades to destroy the moral fabric of this country, and one of those ways is normalizing homosexuality.  Their propaganda campaign has been VERY successful in persuading many people that something they know is not normal IS normal.

The chipping away from the left has been extremely successful.

Obviously.

(Not getting on the treadmill, MAC.  You've been persuaded, and nothing I say will change that).

 :amen:

You pretty much nailed it, completely & succinctly!!  Kudos!!

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On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr. of Florida read a list of 45 Communist goals into the Congressional
Record. The list was derived from researcher Cleon Skousen’s book “The Naked Communist.” These principles are well
worth revisiting today in order to gain insights into the thinking and strategies of much of our so-called liberal elite:

1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. [Note: These encapsulate the Kennan Doctrine, which
advocated for the "containment" of communism. Establishment figures supporting the amoral containment policy at least
implicitly worked with the communists in scaring the wits out of the American people concerning atomic war. President Ronald
Reagan undid the doctrine when he took an aggressive stand against the Evil Empire by backing freedom fighters from around the
world that were struggling against the left-wing communist jackboot. As a result, the Soviet Union and its satellites imploded, a
considerable and unexpected setback to the international communist edifice.]

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength." [Note: The nuclear freeze
advocates supported a freeze on American nuclear development only. Rarely were Soviet nukes or those of other nations
mentioned in their self-righteous tirades. The same advocates now call for reducing American military might, claiming that there is
something immoral about America preserving its military pre-eminence in the world.]

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for
war. [Note: Today, there are calls to end the embargo on the slave island of Cuba, there were complaints about the embargo
against Iraq, and the U.S., not Saddam Hussein, was blamed for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Would they have advocated for
free trade with Hitler and his National Socialist regime?]
 
5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. [Note: Such aid and trade over decades contributed
greatly to the left-wing communist liquidation of over 100 million people worldwide, according to the well-documented "Black
Book of Communism." This aid and trade marks a shameful chapter in American history. Without the aid and trade, the left-wing
international communist behemoth would have imploded on its own rot a lot sooner and umpteen millions would have been saved
from poverty, misery, starvation and death.]

7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N. [Note: Not only did President Jimmy Carter fulfill this
goal but he also betrayed America’s allies in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Afghanistan, Angola and elsewhere.]
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free
elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with
its own independent armed forces. [Note: There are still American intellectuals, and elected members of Congress, who dream of
an eventual one world government and who view the U.N., founded by communists such as Alger Hiss, the first secretary-general,
as the instrument to bring this about. World government was also the dream of Adolf Hitler and J.V. Stalin. World government
was the dream of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers.]

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. [Note: While the idea of banning any political party runs contrary to notions of
American freedom and liberty, notions that are the exact opposite of those held by the left-wing communists themselves,
nevertheless these goals sought to undermine the constitutional obligation of Congress to investigate subversion. The weakening of
our government’s ability to conduct such investigations led to the attack of 9/11.]
 
13. Do away with loyalty oaths. [Note: It is entirely proper and appropriate for our government to expect employees, paid by the
American taxpayer, to take an oath of loyalty.]

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. [Note: In his book, "Reagan’s War," Peter Schweizer demonstrates the
astonishing degree to which communists and communist sympathizers have penetrated the Democratic Party. In his book,
Schweizer writes about the presidential election of 1979.]

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. [Note:
This strategy goes back to the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union by Fabian Socialists Roger Baldwin and John
Dewey and Communists William Z. Foster and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn among others.]

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the
curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack. [Note:The success
of these goals, from a communist perspective, is obvious. Is there any doubt this is so?]

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to
"eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio
and TV. [Note: This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover
of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to
resist.]

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy." [Note: Today those few who still have the
courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the
motives behind this agenda.]

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." [Note: This has been largely accomplished through the communist
infiltration of the National Council of Churches, Conservative and Reform Judaism, and the Catholic seminaries.]

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of
church and state"

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part
of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. [Note: Obliterating the American
past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.]

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare
programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders
which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. [Note: The Soviets used to send "social misfits" and those deemed
politically incorrect to massive mental institutions called gulags. The Red Chinese call them lao gai. Hitler called them
concentration camps.]

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
communist goals. [Note: Psychiatry remains a bulwark of the communist agenda of fostering self-criticism and docility.]

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. [Note: Done! The sovereign family is the single
most powerful obstacle to authoritarian control.]

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. [Note: Outcome-based education, values clarification or whatever they’re
calling it this year.]

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special
interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems. [Note: This describes the
dialectical fostering of group consciousness and conflict, which furthers the interests of authoritarianism.]

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems.
Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike

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What you have posted there, sir, is a very clear outline of what we have watched happen in this country, and Western Civilization as a whole, over the past many decades.  So much of what we have seen happen can be traced to one or more of these "goals."  Thank You!!   :patriot:

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First.......... yes, you have.  Second, if I mentioned it it was in response to your braggadocio.

(And don't worry about me.  I take what's serious, seriously, but not internet discussions.  Morality IS serious.  And life IS worth fighting for it).

Back to the actual discussion of the thread.  Ohio is a light gray state on the map.  Ohioans voted against legalizing homosexual marriages.

Judicial activists are trying to overturn the will of the people here in this state.

Thus, what could be the DNC motto............"To heck with the will of the people."

That's how the left is getting their agenda through.

I'm not going to argue with you any more Musiclady.  I've no idea why you must always turn a debate into a personal match.  And I apologize if my alleged 'braggadocio' has upset you.  Trust me, I won't respond to any more of your posts.  Take care
It's the Supreme Court nominations!

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Except those florists, bakers and wedding chapel owners who either toe the gay agenda line or pay a whopping fine. Christian pastors are next.

Well I do remember when Georgia would not let me, a young lieutenant,  marry a Filipina because they didn't allow interracial marriages.  Fortunately Alabama did.  Only a year later, the USSC declared miscegenation laws unconstitutional.  What a shame, huh?
It's the Supreme Court nominations!

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I'm not going to argue with you any more Musiclady.  I've no idea why you must always turn a debate into a personal match.  And I apologize if my alleged 'braggadocio' has upset you.  Trust me, I won't respond to any more of your posts.  Take care

LOL!  I told you I didn't want to get on the treadmill with you.  Should have stuck to it.  My bad.   :dx1:

But I gotta say in my defense, your braggadocio didn't upset me in the least.  It actually made me laugh.  But I'll admit that your patronizing does grate a bit.  I never have liked being patronized.......especially for sticking to principles.



Once again, on the subject....... the judicial activists are trying to upend the will of the people in multiple states, including Ohio.

And it is NOT a 'civil right.'  It is an insult to what African-Americans have endured in this country to put homosexual "marriage" in the same category as real civil rights.

The argument the left has used to make a correlation is hollow.  The two situations are not even close.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Except those florists, bakers and wedding chapel owners who either toe the gay agenda line or pay a whopping fine. Christian pastors are next.

It's already happening in churches.  Our freedom to believe in traditional morality is disappearing.

FAST.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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:amen:

You pretty much nailed it, completely & succinctly!!  Kudos!!

Thanks!    :beer:
 
The key, IMO, is understanding that the erosion of morality is a critical part of the leftists' attempts to destroy American culture, and thus America.

All the touchy-feely stuff about 'civil rights' and fairness is a smoke screen for the real progressive/Marxist agenda.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.