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http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/nov/11/-sp-myla-dalbesio-calvin-kleins-new-model-size-10-plus-size

Calvin Klein ads featuring 'plus size' model Myla Dalbesio ignite online debate
Rosie Swash
Tuesday 11 November 2014 17.37 EST


The US size-10 model appears in the brand’s current underwear campaign. But her classification as ‘plus-sized’ has awoken the Twitter beast.


Myla Dalbesio for Calvin Klein Photograph: Lachlan Bailey for Calvin Klein

When Myla Dalbesio heard she had been booked for Calvin Klein’s new underwear campaign, she cried. “It was such a surreal moment,” the 27-year-old model said of the campaign, which also features Jourdan Dunn and Lara Stone. It is by far Dalbesio’s most high-profile gig to date.

But Dalbesio’s appearance in the campaign – under the tagline Perfectly Fit – sparked a frenzy on social media. The cause? Dalbesio is, technically speaking, a plus-size model. “Genuine WTF moment,” wrote one Twitter user. “Plus-size??? I must be extra plus plus,” wrote another. Some directed their ire at Calvin Klein, despite the American brand never alluding to the model’s size, and simply placing her alongside the “straight size” models – as they’re described in the fashion industry – without comment.


Myla Dalbesio for Calvin Klein Photograph: Lachlan Bailey for Calvin Klein

“It’s kind of confusing because I’m a bigger girl,” Dalbesio told Elle about her work with Calvin Klein. “I’m not the biggest girl on the market but I’m definitely bigger than all the girls [Calvin Klein] has ever worked with, so that is really intimidating.”

“It’s not like [Calvin Klein] released this campaign and were like, ‘Whoa, look, there’s this plus-size girl in our campaign,” she continued. “They released me in this campaign with everyone else; there’s no distinction. It’s not a separate section for plus-size girls.”

At 5ft11in and a US size 10 (approximately a UK size 14), Dalbesio is indeed a plus-size model – agencies specialising in plus-size models begin at a UK size 12 for women. Dalbesio describes herself as “in between”, in terms of size.

Plus-size as a concept has been co-opted – albeit sporadically – by the mainstream fashion industry in recent years. The fits and starts that the fashion industry has made towards diversity have included Vogue Paris ran a plus-size edition (edited by Penelope Cruz) in 2010, and models such as Crystal Renn, Kate Dillon and Robyn Lawley have all featured in either mainstream campaigns, cover shoots or catwalks. Plus-size clothing is itself a burgeoning market; sales of size 14-plus clothes exceeded $16bn in the US in 2013, according to Forbes.

But the key difference with Dalbesio’s appearance in the Calvin Klein adverts is that the only attention called to her size has come from the public. For years women and men have been asking why models who represent “normal” sizing can’t be used in high profile campaigns without it being a gimmick or a marketing ploy. In Dalbesio’s latest work, their voices have been heard.

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A US size 10 is now considered PLUS size?  At 5 foot 11 inches? 

 :thud: :shrug: **nononono*

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Size 10 plus sized?  When I was a girl (I am 62 now) plus sized started at size 20.  It's not Republicans who are waging a war on women, it's clothing designers, fashion magazines and retailers.

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Size 10 plus sized?  When I was a girl (I am 62 now) plus sized started at size 20.  It's not Republicans who are waging a war on women, it's clothing designers, fashion magazines and retailers.

Ain't that the truth!  What I keep hearing is that most women's clothing designers are gay men - and they design their clothes to fit their idealized body shape - which is like a twelve year old BOY!

Sick, sick, sick!

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Ain't that the truth!  What I keep hearing is that most women's clothing designers are gay men - and they design their clothes to fit their idealized body shape - which is like a twelve year old BOY!

Sick, sick, sick!

Gay artists are no different than hetero artists and/or designers.

For the most part, the "cut of the jib", or the design patterns that are most appealing, aren't shown on broad canvases. 

That said, a 5' 11" size 10 woman...makes me picture Jayne Mansfield or Brook Shields.  Not Bella Abzug.
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Some gay men know how to dress women (Isaac Mizrahi) others do not. It is awful.  A woman who is not a size 0 can't get a decent outfit unless she sews it herself. Even plus sized stores like The Avenue have succumbed to the pressure.  They have a size called 0 plus which is a size 10/12.  What????????????????

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A US size 10 is now considered PLUS size?  At 5 foot 11 inches? 

 :thud: :shrug: **nononono*

OK.................. anybody here old enough to remember the "perfect size 10" woman?

Where'd she go???

It used to be the ideal before that stupid Twiggy came on the scene and emaciation became somehow "attractive."
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OK.................. anybody here old enough to remember the "perfect size 10" woman?

Where'd she go???

It used to be the ideal before that stupid Twiggy came on the scene and emaciation became somehow "attractive."

I remember first seeing Twiggy when I was in 6th grade.  I was on the chubby side being close to 90 lbs.  and Twiggy at 17 was 79 pounds.  All the clothes were made for thin, leggy girl.  Did not work for me a chubby, fat-legged girl of Italian stock. Bad body image started then. It was pretty crappy looking at magazines with Twiggy sized models.  I see Twiggy selling her wares on HSN.  She looks normal now.

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I remember first seeing Twiggy when I was in 6th grade.  I was on the chubby side being close to 90 lbs.  and Twiggy at 17 was 79 pounds.  All the clothes were made for thin, leggy girl.  Did not work for me a chubby, fat-legged girl of Italian stock. Bad body image started then. It was pretty crappy looking at magazines with Twiggy sized models.  I see Twiggy selling her wares on HSN.  She looks normal now.

I was a teenager when she showed up on the scene (same age, in fact).  She messed up things for a lot of very normal kids.  I didn't have any extra weight on me at 17, but thought I did because the body image of young women changed almost instantaneously.

We haven't recovered since, IMO.  And now young kids are starving themselves literally to death to look emaciated.

(btw, Twiggy wasn't "thin."   She was scrawny, bony, Auschwitz-like, and IMO, it is an ugly body type).
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My sister has been obsessed with her weight since she was 13 and some boy called her "fat."  She was never fat, not even close to it.  It's been almost 22 years and she still hasn't gotten over it.  I'm sure the endless bombardment of this kind of crap is another reason she still obsesses.

Of course, there are some women who are just thin due to genetics.  My boss' daughter is 21, graduating from Texas A&M next month, and is so small that if she turns sideways, she disappears.  She actually gets offered the kid's menu at restaurants.  I've seen that girl eat, and she can eat more than I can.  She's just one of those people who is naturally thin with a high metabolism.

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My sister has been obsessed with her weight since she was 13 and some boy called her "fat."  She was never fat, not even close to it.  It's been almost 22 years and she still hasn't gotten over it.  I'm sure the endless bombardment of this kind of crap is another reason she still obsesses.

Of course, there are some women who are just thin due to genetics.  My boss' daughter is 21, graduating from Texas A&M next month, and is so small that if she turns sideways, she disappears.  She actually gets offered the kid's menu at restaurants.  I've seen that girl eat, and she an eat more than I can.  She's just one of those people who is naturally thin with a high metabolism.

Way back in 1972 or so, some critic called Karen Carpenter "chubby."

She died in 1983 at the age of 32 of anorexia nervosa.

This is a serious problem in America, and there are a lot of women young and old who have suffered because of it.
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My husband pulled that "chubby" crap on my youngest daughter.  She was wheezing on while playing basketball and my husband said, "look at her she's so fat she is out of breath". I reminded him that our daughter was not larger than the other girls on the court.  After the game, her coach came by and said we should take my daughter to the pediatrician because it sounded like she had sports induced asthma.  Sure enough she did.  Daddy dearest felt two inches tall after that.  Not everyone is mean to be pencil thin.  It goes without saying that obesity is unhealthy.  My daughter is 28 years old now, wears a size 8 and is still considered obese on weight charts.  For the life of me I do not understand why some men who are supposedly straight go for boy-like women.

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Way back in 1972 or so, some critic called Karen Carpenter "chubby."

She died in 1983 at the age of 32 of anorexia nervosa.

This is a serious problem in America, and there are a lot of women young and old who have suffered because of it.

It sure is a serious problem.  I was a teenager when Twiggy was popular.  I was an absolute stringbean at the time, so it wasn't a problem for me - but my sister had to wear "chubby" sizes and it basically scarred her for life.  She is anorexic to this day, fanatically works out to keep herself almost skeletal, and her health is awful! 

Of course, kharma always catches up with you - I'm not a stringbean anymore,   8888crybaby   and I have yo-yo dieted my whole adult life. 

It's sad, most men will say they like women with curves - but straight men don't design clothes for women.  This could really be called a "War on Women".

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It's not just women who society dumps an insane standard of "beauty" on.  It happens to men as well.

We get bombarded by the notion that unless we're a tall, ripped, muscled gym rat with a full head of hair, then we're just not.  The "zero ounce of body fat" standard gets applied to us as well.

Men might not suffer from anorexic on the level of women (it does happen far more than anyone realizes because men will suffer in silence as it is not "manly" to have a "woman's disease") but we will do other things to try and meet society's definition of beauty such as abusing steroids.

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Manorexia has also become a problem.  Either a man has to be runway model slim or a buff body builder.  Why can't people just be what they are, as long as ill health is not a factor?  I just don't get it.

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Manorexia has also become a problem.  Either a man has to be runway model slim or a buff body builder.  Why can't people just be what they are, as long as ill health is not a factor?  I just don't get it.

We've become a shallow, hedonistic society that seems to only care about outward appearance.  (Best example of that is Kim Kardashian.)

I gave up long ago counting how many women have called me ugly.
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She's not plus-sized.

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I've known of a few women that were anorexic, one that died. A couple more that look to be on the way.

Never seen a single man, however.
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Manorexia is a fairly new phenomenon.  There was a program on tv about it.  Sad thing for anyone to starve themselves. Many anoerxics have a issues and problems that need to be addressed. I worked with a young woman years ago whose face looked skeletal.  She complained that she barely ate and sucked on ice cubes all day long.  She cried that she had a 20 inch waist.  I told her we'd talk when she had 20 inch thighs.