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Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« on: November 10, 2014, 03:26:32 pm »
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 Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility

    By Jacob Kastrenakes
    on November 10, 2014 09:30 am

President Obama has come out in support of reclassifying internet service as a utility, a move that would allow the Federal Communications Commission to enforce more robust regulations on it and protect net neutrality. "The time has come for the FCC to recognize that broadband service is of the same importance and must carry the same obligations as so many of the other vital services do," Obama writes in a statement this morning. "To do that, I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services."

Net neutrality advocates have been pushing for the FCC to reclassify internet service under Title II for a good long while now, but the commission has been hesitant to do so because of the political hurdles that it's certain to bump into. Internet providers are highly opposed to this kind of heavy regulation, which would largely turn their service into pipes that the internet flows through — rather than allowing them to treat it as a special type of service and make decisions about what you can and can't do online.

Obama's support of Title II reclassification comes at a critical time for net neutrality. The FCC is working on new net neutrality rules, but its current proposal would allow internet providers to offer so-called "fast lanes," effectively defeating the purpose of net neutrality in the first place. During a public comment period over the summer, Americans spoke out loudly against the proposal, but it's not yet clear what the commission plans to do in response. FCC chair Tom Wheeler has said that he isn't entirely opposed to Title II, but that's appeared to be only if other methods won't work first.

In a statement outlining what he'd like internet service to look like, Obama highlights four major points: internet providers wouldn't be allowed to block websites offering legal content, they wouldn't be allowed to intentionally slow down or speed up certain websites or services based on their own preferences, and they wouldn't be able to offer paid fast lanes. Obama also asks that the FCC investigate and potentially apply net neutrality rules to the interconnect points that sit between service providers and content providers. That's potentially huge news for Netflix, which has been arguing that this area of the internet should be covered by net neutrality all year.

Obama also asks that the commission apply these rules to mobile internet. That would be a significant change as well, as mobile service hasn't previously been subject to the same net neutrality rules that wired connections have been. That said, Obama does leave a significant amount of room for exceptions in the wireless space, potentially allowing some amount of throttling so that providers can manage their networks.

There's still the big question of whether the FCC will listen to Obama's recommendation and whether Congress will allow it. Obama's support of Title II reclassification may provide the political support that the commission needs to justify such a rule change, but with Republicans wary of regulation taking over the Senate, it's an increasingly risky proposition. The FCC may set the rules, but there's plenty that Congress can do to sway its decisions.

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An open Internet is essential to the American economy, and increasingly to our very way of life. By lowering the cost of launching a new idea, igniting new political movements, and bringing communities closer together, it has been one of the most significant democratizing influences the world has ever known.

"Net neutrality" has been built into the fabric of the Internet since its creation — but it is also a principle that we cannot take for granted. We cannot allow Internet service providers (ISPs) to restrict the best access or to pick winners and losers in the online marketplace for services and ideas. That is why today, I am asking the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to answer the call of almost 4 million public comments, and implement the strongest possible rules to protect net neutrality.

When I was a candidate for this office, I made clear my commitment to a free and open Internet, and my commitment remains as strong as ever. Four years ago, the FCC tried to implement rules that would protect net neutrality with little to no impact on the telecommunications companies that make important investments in our economy. After the rules were challenged, the court reviewing the rules agreed with the FCC that net neutrality was essential for preserving an environment that encourages new investment in the network, new online services and content, and everything else that makes up the Internet as we now know it. Unfortunately, the court ultimately struck down the rules — not because it disagreed with the need to protect net neutrality, but because it believed the FCC had taken the wrong legal approach.

The FCC is an independent agency, and ultimately this decision is theirs alone. I believe the FCC should create a new set of rules protecting net neutrality and ensuring that neither the cable company nor the phone company will be able to act as a gatekeeper, restricting what you can do or see online. The rules I am asking for are simple, common-sense steps that reflect the Internet you and I use every day, and that some ISPs already observe. These bright-line rules include:

    No blocking. If a consumer requests access to a website or service, and the content is legal, your ISP should not be permitted to block it. That way, every player — not just those commercially affiliated with an ISP — gets a fair shot at your business.
    No throttling. Nor should ISPs be able to intentionally slow down some content or speed up others — through a process often called "throttling" — based on the type of service or your ISP’s preferences.
    Increased transparency. The connection between consumers and ISPs — the so-called "last mile" — is not the only place some sites might get special treatment. So, I am also asking the FCC to make full use of the transparency authorities the court recently upheld, and if necessary to apply net neutrality rules to points of interconnection between the ISP and the rest of the Internet.
    No paid prioritization. Simply put: No service should be stuck in a "slow lane" because it does not pay a fee. That kind of gatekeeping would undermine the level playing field essential to the Internet’s growth. So, as I have before, I am asking for an explicit ban on paid prioritization and any other restriction that has a similar effect.

If carefully designed, these rules should not create any undue burden for ISPs, and can have clear, monitored exceptions for reasonable network management and for specialized services such as dedicated, mission-critical networks serving a hospital. But combined, these rules mean everything for preserving the Internet’s openness.

The rules also have to reflect the way people use the Internet today, which increasingly means on a mobile device. I believe the FCC should make these rules fully applicable to mobile broadband as well, while recognizing the special challenges that come with managing wireless networks.

To be current, these rules must also build on the lessons of the past. For almost a century, our law has recognized that companies who connect you to the world have special obligations not to exploit the monopoly they enjoy over access in and out of your home or business. That is why a phone call from a customer of one phone company can reliably reach a customer of a different one, and why you will not be penalized solely for calling someone who is using another provider. It is common sense that the same philosophy should guide any service that is based on the transmission of information — whether a phone call, or a packet of data.

So the time has come for the FCC to recognize that broadband service is of the same importance and must carry the same obligations as so many of the other vital services do. To do that, I believe the FCC should reclassify consumer broadband service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act — while at the same time forbearing from rate regulation and other provisions less relevant to broadband services. This is a basic acknowledgment of the services ISPs provide to American homes and businesses, and the straightforward obligations necessary to ensure the network works for everyone — not just one or two companies.

Investment in wired and wireless networks has supported jobs and made America the center of a vibrant ecosystem of digital devices, apps, and platforms that fuel growth and expand opportunity. Importantly, network investment remained strong under the previous net neutrality regime, before it was struck down by the court; in fact, the court agreed that protecting net neutrality helps foster more investment and innovation. If the FCC appropriately forbears from the Title II regulations that are not needed to implement the principles above — principles that most ISPs have followed for years — it will help ensure new rules are consistent with incentives for further investment in the infrastructure of the Internet.

The Internet has been one of the greatest gifts our economy — and our society — has ever known. The FCC was chartered to promote competition, innovation, and investment in our networks. In service of that mission, there is no higher calling than protecting an open, accessible, and free Internet. I thank the Commissioners for having served this cause with distinction and integrity, and I respectfully ask them to adopt the policies I have outlined here, to preserve this technology’s promise for today, and future generations to come.

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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 04:01:55 pm »
I'm not tech savvy enough to understand what this all means. Can somebody with a knowledge of the Internet please weigh in on the implications for the average user?

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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 04:16:30 pm »
I'm not tech savvy enough to understand what this all means. Can somebody with a knowledge of the Internet please weigh in on the implications for the average user?

Utilities are regulated...


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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 04:20:16 pm »
I'm not tech savvy enough to understand what this all means. Can somebody with a knowledge of the Internet please weigh in on the implications for the average user?

It means that there's something that's moving and working successfully out there and the government can't stand it.

They want to control it, regulate it and tax it.
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 04:21:21 pm »
"Net neutrality" sounds a lot like "income equality".
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 04:42:08 pm »
The issue is confusing and I still don't understand. Is net neutrality a good thing or not?

This piece from freepress.net says that it is, and argues that the FCC should reclassify ISPs as providers of "telecommunications services" instead of providers of "information services."

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In Verizon vs. FCC, the court stated that the FCC lacks authority (to prohibit ISPs from blocking or discriminating against online content) because of “the Commission’s still-binding decision to classify broadband providers not as providers of ‘telecommunications services’ but instead as providers of ‘information services.’”

http://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know-now

They make a strong case for net neutrality and the FCC reclassifying and regulating ISPs.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2014, 04:58:47 pm »
They make a strong case for net neutrality and the FCC reclassifying and regulating ISPs.

If you like the way the gov't regulates anything, you'll love their definition of 'neutrality'...


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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2014, 05:07:33 pm »
The more I read about the issue the more inclined I am to agree with net neutrality.

https://www.aclu.org/net-neutrality

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2014, 05:18:01 pm »
Here's a technical aspect I haven't seen before (a somewhat quick, interesting read):

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2014, 05:30:45 pm »
The more I read about the issue the more inclined I am to agree with net neutrality.

https://www.aclu.org/net-neutrality

Net neutrality is a good thing as it greatly limits those with money from being able to control the flow of information online. It actually gives the government less power. The government would like nothing more than to be able to restrict what we are able to see online.
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2014, 05:33:14 pm »
If you like the way the gov't regulates anything, you'll love their definition of 'neutrality'...

You clearly don't understand the issue.
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2014, 05:46:54 pm »
Here's a technical aspect I haven't seen before (a somewhat quick, interesting read):

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/

If you can get over the fact that he's a liberal, John Oliver actually breaks it down brilliantly. He even slams Obama a few times. This is an issue that should transcend political lines. We absolutely cannot allow net neutrality to be stopped.


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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2014, 05:55:07 pm »
Net neutrality is a good thing as it greatly limits those with money from being able to control the flow of information online. It actually gives the government less power. The government would like nothing more than to be able to restrict what we are able to see online.

Let's for a moment suspend both skepticism and disbelief, and actually consider the idea that this government in  general, and this administration specifically would propose and support a plan that would diminish the power of government over anything at all, in order to benefit the people.

If we can do that, then let's examine your opening sentence:

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Net neutrality is a good thing as it greatly limits those with money from being able to control the flow of information online.

I don't know about anyone else, but I never, ever see restrictions on the natural flow of the free market and/or sentences criticizing faceless, nameless "those with money" as being anything other than implied Marxism. 

It's reminiscent of this administration's attack on the top 1% of earners.

Let the market take care of the market.
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2014, 05:59:45 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2014, 06:06:25 pm »
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Re: Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 06:20:56 pm »
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."  That's what Obama and his minions want us to believe.

This American Thinker post and the WSJ it references show the roots of the "Net Neutrality" movement.

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The net neutrality vision for government regulation of the Internet began with the work of Robert McChesney, a University of Illinois communications professor who founded the liberal lobby Free Press in 2002. Mr. McChesney's agenda? "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies," he told the website SocialistProject in 2009. "But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."
Here's a good way to think of Net Neutrality:  Obama supports it.  Has one single thing Obama has done led to more freedom or better lives for Americans in general?  Why would this be different?

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2014, 06:37:32 pm »
All, good points, guys. But, the fact is ISPs are growing in size but not in numbers. There's less competition now, not more. See Comcast's $45 billion deal to purchase Time Warner cable.

And let’s not forget that the companies pushing to kill Net Neutrality — like AT&T and Verizon — are the very same companies that have been caught enabling unchecked spying and surveillance by the NSA and other government agencies.

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2014, 06:48:32 pm »
Wondering if this is...excuse the pun...a backdoor entry into controlling the rabid pornography industry.... :pondering:
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 06:48:46 pm »
All, good points, guys. But, the fact is ISPs are growing in size but not in numbers. There's less competition now, not more. See Comcast's $45 billion deal to purchase Time Warner cable.

And let’s not forget that the companies pushing to kill Net Neutrality — like AT&T and Verizon — are the very same companies that have been caught enabling unchecked spying and surveillance by the NSA and other government agencies.

The merging of companies into ever large ones is a problem, indeed.  As Dennis Prager says:  big business is not conservative. 

I'm guessing antitrust laws should prevent some of this consolidation but they're not being enforced.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 06:57:05 pm »
And let’s not forget that the companies pushing to kill Net Neutrality — like AT&T and Verizon — are the very same companies that have been caught enabling unchecked spying and surveillance by the NSA and other government agencies.

Are you thinking that 'net neutrality' imposed by the government is going to stop spying and surveillance by government agencies?


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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2014, 07:03:11 pm »
That American Thinker opinion piece is from 2010. A lot has happened since then. Such as the two largest cable companies in the nation (Comcast and Time Warner cable) about to become one super colossal media company. I'm for more competition — not less.

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That American Thinker opinion piece is from 2010. A lot has happened since then. Such as the two largest cable companies in the nation (Comcast and Time Warner cable) about to become one super colossal media company. I'm for more competition — not less.

That may indeed be a problem, but 'net neutrality' doesn't seem like the way to solve it...


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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2014, 07:27:13 pm »
That may indeed be a problem, but 'net neutrality' doesn't seem like the way to solve it...

It stops them from doing exactly what they intend to do with their monopoly.
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2014, 07:58:30 pm »
The Internet is and was a government creation.  That is why the government can legally collect and archive all Internet communications.  We are communicating through a set of pipes they created.

Also of necessity to the Internet is the ISP, or Internet Service Provider.  The ISP's would like to be able to parcel out bandwidth like they do cable TV.  The consumer pays extra for premium channels like HBO.  But instead of premium channels, think "communication speed."  You pay a premium to use the fast lane.  Right now, the federal government does not allow the ISP's to so this.  They must provide all users with equal access.  Because they are middle men in the process, there is not much they can do about it.

There is no right or wrong approach to the question from a political ideology viewpoint as the Internet itself is a government monopoly.  Myself, I like Net Neutrality, but I also trust the free market, so I am not as distressed at its potential demise. 

I have written my congresscritter to support Net Neutrality as someone who owns an Internet-based busines in his district.

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2014, 08:12:53 pm »
I agree with your historical analysis. However, that is what it is, 'historical'. You are describing the internet as it was in the 70's, and not as what it is today.
 
The internet today is a purely commercial entity and is only indirectly related to the government. Today, the internet is built, maintained, provided by, and expanded by, commerical enterprises, not the government.
 
I agree with the other posters who stated that this represents just another thing the government wants under their control. They see something working and prospering without them, and they cannot stand it. They are obsessive in their craving to control everything, every single thing, about everyone's life. And this is part of that. IMO.
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