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WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« on: September 12, 2014, 07:14:28 pm »
http://thehill.com/policy/international/217586-white-house-we-are-at-war-with-isis

 By Justin Sink - 09/12/14 02:36 PM EDT

The United States is at war with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS or ISIL), the White House and Pentagon said Friday, a day after Secretary of State John Kerry repeatedly declined to use that phrase.

“In the same way that we are at war with Al Qaeda and its affiliates around the globe, we are at war with ISIL,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters at the White House.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby echoed that sentiment, telling reporters that while the effort was "not the Iraq war," they should "make no mistake, we know we are at war with ISIL."

Earnest said that it was important to distinguish that this was "different than the strategies previously pursued in Iraq" and that by "we," he meant a "broader international coalition" that was fighting the terrorist organization. Earnest also said that the strategy for handling ISIS was "consistent with the counterterrorism strategy we've pursued in cases all around the world."

"This president, as is expected of American presidents, is stepping up to lead an international coalition to confront that threat and to deny ISIL a safe haven. And ultimately, this international coalition will be responsible for degrading and destroying ISIL," he said.

In a series of interviews on Thursday, Secretary of State John Kerry repeatedly rejected characterizations of the U.S. efforts against ISIS as war.

Kerry said the administration's plan to combat ISIS includes "many different things that one doesn't think of normally in context of war" during an interview with CNN.

"What we are doing is engaging in a very significant counterterrorism operation," Kerry continued. "It's going to go on for some period of time. If somebody wants to think about it as being a war with ISIL, they can do so, but the fact is it's a major counterterrorism operation that will have many different moving parts."

In a separate interview with CBS News, Kerry also rejected the word "war" to describe the U.S. effort and encouraged the public not to "get into war fever" over the conflict.

"We're engaged in a major counterterrorism operation, and it's going to be a long-term counterterrorism operation. I think war is the wrong terminology and analogy but the fact is that we are engaged in a very significant global effort to curb terrorist activity," Kerry told the network.

"I don't think people need to get into war fever on this. I think they have to view it as a heightened level of counter terrorist activity ... but it's not dissimilar similar to what we've been doing the last few years with al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan and in Yemen and elsewhere," Kerry said.
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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 07:22:02 pm »
Incoherent foreign policy.

They can't seem to get their act together.....
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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 07:35:17 pm »
Just think where we might be if we had fought to win an unconditional surrender in Iraq, in 1990, or 2003, or after the surge, or even lately and now?

Call the enemy whatever name suits you. Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, Sunni rebels, ISIS, ISIL, etc.

Go in with special forces, fighter planes and bombers, missiles, tanks, personnel carriers, etc. Cross this river, take that province.

But absent the will to impose the conqueror's rule upon the vanquished, we can't make it stick.

By now we should have learned. West Point, Annapolis or the Air Force Academy should have learned. Presidential historians should have learned.

And we have the worst possible president for the current situation. We need one that wants to utterly destroy terrorist, instead of degrade them to be more manageable. 

One day the SoS says we are NOT at war, the next the WH and Pentagon say yes we are.
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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 07:38:21 pm »
Incoherent foreign policy.

They can't seem to get their act together.....
Which it works out well for them doesn't it? They get to have both sides of the issue and get away with it all the time.


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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 07:46:57 pm »
These people couldn't organize an erection with the help of Viagra and a cheerleader.
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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 08:09:54 pm »
These people couldn't organize an erection with the help of Viagra and a cheerleader.

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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 08:11:46 pm »
I agree, T_S. What's the point of going to war (or going to not-war, in BHO parlance) if you have no desire whatsoever to win it?
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Playing politics with national security: Today, the White House decides it is a war


posted at 4:41 pm on September 12, 2014 by Noah Rothman
 
If you thought the threat posed by the Islamic State was a national security matter, as most of the nation does, you would be incorrect. It is, in fact, a domestic political matter. That is clearly how the White House views it. There is no other way to explain their inane vacillation and incomprehensibly fluid position on what the response to the threat posed by ISIS should be.

How did we get to this confused and uninspiring place? Let’s review.

President Barack Obama committed an unforced error last week when, during a critical speech on the Islamic State, he contradicted his earlier assertion that the goal of the United States was to “degrade and destroy” ISIS. When asked how this would be accomplished, Obama’s extemporaneous thoughts on the objective of the U.S. mission shocked the country.

America, Obama said, would “continue to shrink ISIL’s sphere of influence, its effectiveness, its financing, its military capabilities to the point where it is a manageable problem.”

That hurt him.

A Fox News poll released this week showed that a majority, 54 percent, did not believe Obama was “prepared to do whatever it takes to defeat Islamic extremists?” Another plurality, 48 to 38 percent among likely voters, believed that the president’s “manageable” comment was a revealing window into how he truly wanted to handle this threat to Western civilization.

America’s confidence in Obama’s ability to competently manage America’s foreign affairs began not merely ebbing but hemorrhaging. The bleeding had to be stopped. On Wednesday, Barack Obama did a capable job of assuaging America’s concerns about their commander-in-chief apparently not sharing the apprehension of 90 percent of the public. Obama assured the nation that neutralizing the group responsible for what the White House considered “terrorist” attacks on the nation represented a national security imperative.

All that repair work was undone on Thursday when the administration, having been flogged by their progressive base over what they believed was the president’s plan to take the nation back into war in the Middle East, bent over backwards to claim that the war they were planning was not in any way new. In fact, it was not even a war.

“If somebody wants to think about it as being a war with ISIL they can do so, but the fact is it’s a major counter-terrorism operation,” Secretary of State John Kerry said. “I don’t think people need to get into a war fever on this.”

“I don’t know whether you want to call it a war or sustained counterterrorism campaign. I think, frankly, this is a counterterrorism operation that will take time,” National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on CNN. She later added that what was being contemplated in the Middle East would look “very different” from a conventional war.

White House Press Sec. Josh Earnest confirmed this was the administration’s position, and added that they did not need to seek any new congressional authorization for this non-war. He insisted that ISIS, a group routinely at odds with al-Qaeda, is actually synonymous with al-Qaeda. Therefore, the 2001 authorization to use force against that group applies to this and presumably any other Islamist terror organization which arises in the future.

On Friday, we got yet another set of mixed signals from the White House. “The United States is at war with ISIL in the same way we are at war with al Qaeda and its affiliates,” Earnest said.

Asked to clarify his and the administration’s position, Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby essentially said that the United States always regarded ISIS and al-Qaeda as identical entities and the coming action is merely an extension of the resurrected War on Terror. “What I said is it’s not the Iraq War of 2002,” Kirby clarified. “But make no mistake, we know we are at war with ISIL in the same way we’re at war and continue to be at al-Qaeda and its affiliates.”

Life imitates art. We have always been at war with ISIS.

There is nothing inspiring about playing politics with matters relating to the security of the American people. The president’s approach has been dishonest from the start. He never intended to pursue a mission in Iraq and Syria that had as its goal the neutralization of the threat posed by ISIS. Obama’s administration was foolish to suggest that what happened to James Foley (and, presumably, Steven Sotloff) was a “terrorist attack” if they were not going to respond to it as such.

Perhaps one of the reasons why Americans of all political stripes have lost faith in Obama’s ability to manage America’s foreign affairs — and you don’t dip into the low 30s on any issue without shedding the support of Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike — is because he conducts foreign policy so utterly faithlessly. Say what you will about cowboys, at least they have the courage of their own convictions. Obama seems to be forever second guessing himself; pursuing the path of least political resistance with little regard for the efficacy.

This administration manages America’s interests aboard always with an eye toward preserving Obama’s political standing at home. This is quite bizarre. Obama would find that a competent approach to foreign policy would restore America’s faith in his leadership. Perhaps competence is asking too much.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/12/wh-remember-when-we-said-america-wasnt-at-war-with-isis-scratch-that-we-totally-are/
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Re: WH: 'We are at war' with ISIS
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 10:40:27 pm »
Incoherent foreign policy.

They can't seem to get their act together.....

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