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« Reply #750 on: March 21, 2014, 12:47:23 pm »
Hit the water, hit land, landed on some deserted air strip - you can figure all the passengers are dead in any case. Why keep them alive?

yes, but so far the uncertainty, the not-knowing, has allowed many to keep their hopes alive - it's just human nature - and thus when reality finally dashes those hopes it's "devastating."

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« Reply #751 on: March 21, 2014, 01:01:36 pm »
Hit the water, hit land, landed on some deserted air strip - you can figure all the passengers are dead in any case. Why keep them alive?

In all the speculation and wild assumptions, if the plane was actually hijacked and intended to be used as a weapon, the only reason to keep the passengers alive would be to use them as shields in the hope that whomever was being targeted would hesitate before shooting it down.  Then, as the theories go, someone like Israel would have to deal with the fallout of killing innocents.  Of course the terrorists would be absolved of any wrong doing.

In the end, you refer back to the original comment, the passengers are all dead.

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« Reply #752 on: March 21, 2014, 01:04:31 pm »
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Australia Says Nothing Spotted in Search for Plane
Friday, March 21, 2014 07:16 AM

By: KRISTEN GELINEAU

The international team hunting Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the remote southern Indian Ocean failed to turn up anything on Friday, and Australia's deputy prime minister said the suspected debris may have sunk.

Aircraft and ships have also renewed a search in the Andaman Sea between India and Thailand, going over areas that have already been exhaustively swept to find some clue to unlock one of the biggest mysteries in modern aviation.

The Boeing 777 went missing almost two weeks ago off the Malaysian coast with 239 people aboard. There has been no confirmed sign of wreckage but two objects seen floating deep south in the Indian Ocean were considered a credible lead and set off a huge hunt on Thursday.

Australian authorities said the first aircraft to sweep treacherous seas on Friday about 2,500 km (1,500 miles) southwest of Perth was on its way back to base without spotting the objects picked out by satellite images five days ago.

"Something that was floating on the sea that long ago may no longer be floating," Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told reporters in Perth. "It may have slipped to the bottom."

But the search was continuing and Australian, New Zealand and U.S. aircraft would be joined by Chinese and Japanese planes over the weekend.

"It's about the most inaccessible spot that you can imagine on the face of the Earth, but if there is anything down there, we will find it," Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters in Papua New Guinea, where he is on a visit.

"Now it could just be a container that's fallen off a ship. We just don't know, but we owe it to the families and the friends and the loved ones to do everything we can to try to resolve what is as yet an extraordinary riddle."

India said it was sending two aircraft, a Poseidon P-8I maritime surveillance aircraft and a C-130 Hercules transporter, to join the hunt in the southern Indian Ocean. It is also sending another P-8I and four warships to search in the Andaman Sea, where the plane was last seen on military radar on March 8.

In New Delhi, officials said the search in areas around the Andaman island chain was not at the request of Malaysian authorities coordinating the global search for the airliner.

"All the navies of the world have SAR regions," said Capt. D.K. Sharma, an Indian navy spokesman, referring to search and rescue regions. "So we're doing it at our own behest."

Investigators suspect Flight MH370, which took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing shortly after midnight on March 8, was deliberately diverted thousands of miles from its scheduled path. They say they are focusing on hijacking or sabotage but have not ruled out technical problems.

The search for the plane also continues in other regions, including a wide arc sweeping northward from Laos to Kazakhstan.

In the Indian Ocean, three Australian and two Japanese P-3 Orions joined a high-tech U.S. Navy P-8 Poseidon and a civilian Bombardier Global Express jet to search the 23,000 square km (8,900 sq mile) zone, Australian and Malaysian authorities said.

A Norwegian merchant ship, the Hoegh St. Petersburg, was diverted to the area on Thursday and another vessel would arrive later on Friday.

An Australian navy ship was expected to arrive in the search area on Saturday and Britain's HMS Echo, a multi-purpose ocean survey vessel, was also heading to the region, Malaysia said.

China's icebreaker for Antarctic research, Xuelong, or Snow Dragon, will set off from Perth to search the area, Chinese state news agency Xinhua cited maritime authorities as saying. Up to five more Chinese ships, with three ship-borne helicopters, were steaming towards the search zone from across the Indian Ocean.

Australian authorities said they had not asked for the ships to search the area. About two-thirds of the missing plane's passengers were Chinese nationals.

Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that searchers were facing a "long haul" but were conscious that the clock was ticking. The plane's "black box" voice and data recorder only transmits an electronic signal for about 30 days before its battery dies, after which it will be far more difficult to locate.

It took investigators two years to find the black box from a Air France jetliner that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on a stormy night in June 2009.

"If we do not find it within the 30 days, it brings in other issues of how to locate it - as the French airline had to take two years. That comes into a different realm of search and rescue," Hishammuddin said.

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There have been many false leads and no confirmed wreckage found from Flight MH370 since it vanished off Malaysia's east coast less than an hour after taking off.

There has also been criticism of the search operation and investigation, as more than two dozen countries scramble to overcome logistical and diplomatic hurdles.

Investigators piecing together patchy data from military radar and satellites believe that, minutes after its identifying transponder was switched off as it crossed the Gulf of Thailand, the plane turned sharply west, re-crossing the Malay Peninsula and following an established route towards India.

What happened next is unclear, but faint electronic "pings" picked up by one commercial satellite suggest the aircraft flew on for at least six hours.

A source with direct knowledge of the situation said that information gleaned from the pings had been passed to investigators within a few days, but it took Malaysia more than a week to narrow the search area to two large arcs - one reaching south to near where the potential debris was spotted, and a second crossing to the north into China and central Asia.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #753 on: March 21, 2014, 06:02:46 pm »
In all the speculation and wild assumptions, if the plane was actually hijacked and intended to be used as a weapon, the only reason to keep the passengers alive would be to use them as shields in the hope that whomever was being targeted would hesitate before shooting it down.  Then, as the theories go, someone like Israel would have to deal with the fallout of killing innocents.  Of course the terrorists would be absolved of any wrong doing.

In the end, you refer back to the original comment, the passengers are all dead.

Everything we have heard so far has been speculation and wild assumptions.    At this point I can’t believe anything that was said.    For all we know the pilots under so much scrutiny and suspicion were heroes and did a Captain Sully and had everyone standing on a wing until the airplane could stay afloat no longer.  Even that wild assumption is still a possibility.   Like the song says, we are working on mysteries without any clues.
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« Reply #754 on: March 21, 2014, 07:25:22 pm »
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« Reply #755 on: March 21, 2014, 08:24:00 pm »
It seems to me that this was an extremely effective and successful terrorist act, for whatever reason.  The aircraft will likely never be found, international air traffic has been disrupted and a whole bunch of different nations are spending a lot of money trying to find all these people. 

Massive disruption of some sort is the goal of any terrorist, and you don't have to fly a plane into a building to create terror.


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« Reply #756 on: March 22, 2014, 12:30:44 am »
It seems to me that this was an extremely effective and successful terrorist act, for whatever reason.  The aircraft will likely never be found, international air traffic has been disrupted and a whole bunch of different nations are spending a lot of money trying to find all these people. 

Massive disruption of some sort is the goal of any terrorist, and you don't have to fly a plane into a building to create terror.



The terror aspect is missing.  so far there's been a lot of activity and the family are grief-stricken, but there is no broader sense of fear or dread - terror - amongst the general population.

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« Reply #757 on: March 22, 2014, 12:46:11 am »
The terror aspect is missing.  so far there's been a lot of activity and the family are grief-stricken, but there is no broader sense of fear or dread - terror - amongst the general population.

And I guess we should thank Allah that these two didn't fly the plane into a building in Kuala Lumpur.  And I submit that anyone flying on a Malaysian airliner, or in or near Malaysian airspace is probably feeling damned terrified.

Remember the bombings in Bali??  Those only killed 202 people...


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« Reply #758 on: March 22, 2014, 01:29:48 am »
Michael Savage....who beats the hell out of Sean Hannity in every market...was speaking about it from another angle today.

He wasn't positing one way or another, but it seems the Russians were/are aware of not only WHO was on the plane (they were tracking an individual in coordination with the Chinese), but WHAT was on the plane.  Some theories are experts in stealth technology...actually "cloak" technology.

Secondly, two SEALS under contract with a private firm guarding shipments of chemicals and other nasty agents were found murdered on the Mersk-Alabama...coincidentally, Captain Phillips' ship.  http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/world/asia/seychelles-maersk-deaths/

This ship was also being tracked for shipments picked up in a certain port.

So...the plane was not crashed.  It's parked somewhere.  All passengers (except said tech experts) were asphyxiated at 45K feet.

We should all be suspect that the FBI has control of the pilot's computer....with merely a promise to provide the Malaysian government all information before providing it to the media and public.

As if Mr. Obama would tell us if a Boeing 777 is out there filled with WMD.

We're NEVER going to know where this plane went.  It's a tragedy for 239 families.


One more thing....why hasn't "Mrs. Pilot" been located?   You don't just 'disappear'...unless somebody disappeared you.
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« Reply #759 on: March 22, 2014, 02:58:50 am »
And I guess we should thank Allah that these two didn't fly the plane into a building in Kuala Lumpur.  And I submit that anyone flying on a Malaysian airliner, or in or near Malaysian airspace is probably feeling damned terrified.

Remember the bombings in Bali??  Those only killed 202 people...



Bombings in Bali?  Not really.  But I do remember 9/11.  I also remember 1993.  And why would anyone flying on a Malaysian airliner necessarily feel fear?  This is so far outside the realm of both ordinary incompetence and terrorism that it doesn't give any basis for fearing that the same thing will happen again on the next Malaysian Air flight.
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« Reply #760 on: March 22, 2014, 02:03:33 pm »
Everything we have heard so far has been speculation and wild assumptions.    At this point I can’t believe anything that was said.    For all we know the pilots under so much scrutiny and suspicion were heroes and did a Captain Sully and had everyone standing on a wing until the airplane could stay afloat no longer.  Even that wild assumption is still a possibility.   Like the song says, we are working on mysteries without any clues.

Charles Krauthammer said something to the tune of "Everyday there is a new fact and at the end of the day, we find out it's not true."

Working on mysteries without any clues was fun though. :laugh:



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« Reply #761 on: March 22, 2014, 05:24:33 pm »
CNN has it figured out.

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« Reply #763 on: March 23, 2014, 07:48:01 pm »
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« Reply #764 on: March 23, 2014, 08:04:19 pm »
The area they're focusing upon has a somewhat circular...counter clockwise current.

With all the shipping routes in the area, it's not uncommon to find 'acres' of debris floating on the surface.

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« Reply #765 on: March 23, 2014, 08:09:19 pm »


France says satellite images of objects could be from missing flight MH370 | Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587209/Now-France-says-satellite-images-objects-missing-MH370-airliner.html
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« Reply #766 on: March 23, 2014, 08:16:33 pm »
I like how everything is now from MH370.  That looks like anything from a cluster of seaweed to something expelled from a ship's waste system.
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« Reply #767 on: March 23, 2014, 08:24:50 pm »
Police hunt mystery woman who made final phone call to doomed jet captain as first picture emerges of his estranged wife and family
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« Reply #768 on: March 23, 2014, 08:32:31 pm »
Police hunt mystery woman who made final phone call to doomed jet captain as first picture emerges of his estranged wife and family
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A source said: ‘Faizah has been spoken to gently by officers but she has not been questioned in detail to establish her husband’s behaviour and state of mind in the days leading to the incident.

The latest release of a war-themed computer game – centred on a passenger plane that crashes on to a desert island in the South China Sea – has been delayed as the search for missing flight MH370 continues.

Battlefield 4 Naval Strike, an update for the Battlefield 4 game which has sold millions of copies worldwide, was due for release last week – but has now been put back until Tuesday.

‘This is partly for cultural reasons. It is not considered appropriate in Malaysia to subject people in situations of terrible bereavement to the stress of intensive questioning.’

The softly-softly approach has been challenged by the team of FBI agents working with Malaysian police. They have pointed out that she may hold ‘vital clues and information’ to Zaharie’s mental state.

‘The whole world is looking for this missing plane and the person who arguably knows most about the state of mind of the man who captained the plane is being left alone,’ said a source close to the FBI team.
The source added: ‘If we want to eliminate the chief pilot from the inquiry, we must interview her in detail to find out what his state of mind was.’

I think Malaysia knows a helluva lot more than what we are being told. This entire thing is bat crazy!

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« Reply #770 on: March 24, 2014, 01:53:10 am »
I think Malaysia knows a helluva lot more than what we are being told. This entire thing is bat crazy!

Absolutely.   The Malaysians know a helluva lot more than they're letting on.

The first question....why did she and the children move out of the apartment the day before the flight?

Was this a love triangle?
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« Reply #772 on: March 24, 2014, 07:22:31 am »
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« Reply #773 on: March 24, 2014, 12:15:00 pm »
Here we go again.   We can only hope, but like someone posted earlier, The breaking news  “new  facts” you learn about when you  wake up are disproved by the time you go to bed. 


Australian aircraft spots new objects in hunt for Flight 370

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- An Australian aircraft searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has spotted two objects that could be retrieved by a naval vessel in the coming hours, authorities said Monday.

One object is "a grey or green circular object," and the other is "an orange rectangular object," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.

They are separate from "suspicious objects" reported earlier Monday by a Chinese military plane that was involved in search efforts in the same region, authorities said.

The reports from the search teams combing an isolated area of the southern Indian Ocean have once again raised hopes of meaningful progress in the hunt for the plane.

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« Reply #774 on: March 24, 2014, 12:51:56 pm »
Another two whole floating objects eh?  There should be a floating debris field somewhere.  Some things do eventually waterlog and sink, while other items float nearly forever.  Look at the debris that is still washing up on the West Coast from the Japanese tsunami. 

Where is the debris?  A plane that big hitting the water isn't going to just sink quietly.  It would break up into many pieces that would themselves break up further due to wave action.  One break in the fuselage would release thousands of floating items from the passenger compartment alone.  This would not have been like a dead-stick landing in the Hudson River.  This is a much bigger plane, with enormous engines hanging under each wing, that would not stay attached in a water landing.  Ditching at sea is incredibly risky and I just don't see this plane surviving ditching.

But this whole thing has been based on so much supposition, after incredible incompetence and rice-bowl mentality across the board from Malaysia, that I will be amazed if any trace of this plane is ever found.  In my book that makes this a successful terrorist action, and I believe this plane went missing due to the deliberate actions of someone who was able to disappear all those people without blowing them up or flying into a building.

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