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« Reply #650 on: March 18, 2014, 01:48:39 am »
FINALLY, Courtney Love's theory (wouldn't it be ironic if she scooped everyone)


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« Reply #651 on: March 18, 2014, 01:55:20 am »
So it appears the plane route was pre-programmed. Frankly, I don't think it went over the Indian Ocean.. The last known sighting was heading north toward Pakistan, etc...
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« Reply #652 on: March 18, 2014, 01:57:35 am »
So it appears the plane route was pre-programmed. Frankly, I don't think it went over the Indian Ocean.. The last known sighting was heading north toward Pakistan, etc...

Do you have any links for the info?

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« Reply #653 on: March 18, 2014, 01:58:43 am »
Do you have any links for the info?

New York Times on Fox News 30 minutes ago.
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« Reply #654 on: March 18, 2014, 02:12:13 am »
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-03/18/c_133194071.htm


U.S. Navy vessel quits search efforts for missing MH370 airliner
English.news.cn   2014-03-18 09:12:43    [More]

WASHINGTON, March 17 (Xinhua) -- A U.S. Navy vessel has been detached from the multinational massive search efforts of a missing Malaysia Airlines plane, the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet confirmed on Monday.

In an emailed statement, the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet confirmed that the USS Kidd, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, and its MH-60R helicopters have completed their search of the Andaman Sea and have been detached from the search efforts as of March 18.

No debris or wreckage associated with an aircraft was found during the search, the statement said.

"With the search area expanding into the southern Indian Ocean, long range patrol aircraft such as the P-8A Poseidon and P-3C Orion are more suited to the current SAR mission," said the statement.

"Covering up to 15,000 square miles in one 9-hour flight, the P-8 and P-3 can search larger areas with their advanced surface search radars and electro-optical sensors as well as fly low for visual identification when needed."

The decision was made in consultation with the government of Malaysia, it said.

No trace of the Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been found since it vanished on March 8 with 239 people aboard.

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« Reply #655 on: March 18, 2014, 03:26:19 am »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp

Lost Jet’s Path Seen as Altered via Computer

By MATTHEW L. WALD and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTMARCH 17, 2014

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER, flight 318 to Beijing, sat on the tarmac Monday at Kuala Lumpur International Airport. Flight 318 replaces 370, retired out of respect to the passengers and crew of the missing plane.


 
WASHINGTON — The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before a flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

The fact that the turn away from Beijing was programmed into the computer has reinforced the belief of investigators — first voiced by Malaysian officials — that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved. It has also increased their focus on the plane’s captain and first officer.

The chief executive of Malaysia Airlines says it is unclear when the missing plane’s communications system, known as Acars, was switched off.

Prime Minister Najib Razak of Malaysia told reporters on Saturday that his government believed that the plane had been diverted because its transponder and other communications devices had been manually turned off several minutes apart. American officials were told of the new information over the weekend.

But the Malaysian authorities on Monday reversed themselves on the sequence of events they believe took place on the plane in the crucial minutes before ground controllers lost contact with it early on March 8. They said it was the plane’s first officer — the co-pilot — who was the last person in the cockpit to speak to ground control. And they withdrew their assertion that another automated system on the plane, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or Acars, had already been disabled when the co-pilot spoke.

Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before Acars stopped working. The Acars ceased to function about the same time that oral radio contact was lost and the airplane’s transponder also stopped, fueling suspicions that foul play was involved in the plane’s disappearance.

Investigators are scrutinizing radar tapes from when the plane first departed Kuala Lumpur because they believe the tapes will show that after the plane first changed its course, it passed through several pre-established “waypoints,” which are like virtual mile markers in the sky. That would suggest that the plane was under control of a knowledgeable pilot, because passing through those points without using the computer would have been unlikely.



Estimated range of plane with its remaining fuel if it was flying at the plane’s maximum speed:

According to investigators, it appears that a waypoint was added to the planned route. Pilots do that in the ordinary course of flying if air traffic controllers tell them to take a different route, to avoid weather or traffic. But in this case, the waypoint was far off the path to Beijing.

Whoever changed the plane’s course would have had to be familiar with Boeing aircraft, though not necessarily the 777 — the type of plane that disappeared. American officials and aviation experts said it was far-fetched to believe that a passenger could have reprogrammed the Flight Management System.

Normal procedure is to key in a five-letter code — gibberish to non-aviators — that is the name of a waypoint. A normal flight plan consists of a series of such waypoints, ending in the destination airport. For an ordinary flight, waypoints can be entered manually or uploaded into the F.M.S. by the airline.

One of the pilots keys in a waypoint on a separate screen known as a scratchpad, and after confirming that it has no typographical errors, pushes another button to move it into the sequence already in the flight plan. Normal practice is to orally confirm the waypoint with the other pilot, then push another button to instruct the airplane to go there. With the change in course, the plane would bank at a comfortable angle, around 20 degrees, and make the turn. Passengers would not feel anything unusual.

Reconstructing the Plane’s Path



The main communications systems of the Malaysia Airlines plane were turned off about 40 minutes into the flight, forcing investigators to try to piece together the plane’s location from other systems.

Transponder

Secondary Radar and Text Updates



Air traffic controllers typically know a plane’s location based on what is called secondary radar, which requests information from the plane’s transponder. A plane also uses radio or satellite signals to send regular updates through Acars, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. Both of those systems were turned off.

Primary Radar

Two Malaysian military radar stations tracked a plane using primary radar, which sends out radio signals and listens for echoes that bounce off objects in the sky. Primary radar does not require a plane to have a working transponder.

SATELLITE


Satellite Communications

If Acars updates are turned off, the plane still sends a “keep-alive” signal, that can be received by satellites. The signal does not indicate location, but it can help to narrow down the plane’s position. A satellite picked up four or five signals from the airliner, about one per hour, after it left the range of military radar.

By JOSH KELLER, SERGIO PEÇANHA, MATTHEW L. WALD
Sources: R. John Hansman Jr., Massachusetts Institute of Technology; American officials

ABC News reported on Sunday that the programmed turn had led investigators to believe that it was being controlled by the pilot or hijackers.

One American safety expert, John Cox, a former airline union safety official, said that someone taking such pains to divert the plane does not fit the pattern of past cases when pilots intentionally crashed and killed everyone on board.

“There’s an inconsistency in what we’ve seen historically,” he said, comparing the disappearance of Flight 370 with two murder-suicides, on an Egyptair flight off Nantucket Island in 1999 and a SilkAir jet in Indonesia in 1997. In those crashes, he said, the pilot involved simply pushed the nose of the plane down and flew into the water. The authorities searched the homes of the pilots in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday, seizing a flight simulator that one of them had in his home.

In an effort to determine whether the pilot had practiced taking down the plane, the authorities have reassembled the simulator for experts to examine. American investigators would like access to the flight simulator and any other electronic information seized from the pilots, but as of Monday night they had not been given access to those materials.

Meanwhile, as the search for the missing Boeing 777 jet stretched into a 10th day, two of the nations helping in the hunt, Australia and Indonesia, agreed to divide between them a vast area of the southeastern Indian Ocean, with Indonesia focusing on equatorial waters and Australia beginning to search farther south for traces of the aircraft. To the north, China and Kazakhstan checked their radar records and tried to figure out whether the jet could have landed somewhere on their soil.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #656 on: March 18, 2014, 03:36:04 am »
hmm...I'm starting to believe aliens beamed it up...
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #657 on: March 18, 2014, 04:41:14 am »


(via DailyMail)
Boeing 777 hijackers plunged to 5,000ft and used low altitude ‘terrain masking’ manoeuvre practised by fighter jets to avoid radar detection

    Boeing 777 may have ‘dropped to altitude as low as 5,000ft’
    It had flown at 45,000ft, before possibly going down quickly
    Aviation experts say passengers would have felt it plunging
    Villagers in the north-east of Malaysia say they saw bright lights

Claims today that the missing Malaysian Airlines jet dropped to an altitude of 5,000ft to avoid radar lends credibility to reports by villagers that they saw bright lights and loud noises at about the time the aircraft is thought to have made a ‘U-turn’.

Investigators told a Malaysian newspaper that the Boeing 777 had dropped to a lower altitude to avoid ground radar, using the surrounding terrain as a sonar barrier.

This type of flying is considered to be dangerous and risky, because it places tremendous pressure on the frame of the aircraft – and flying low at night without radar assistance could lead to the plane crashing into trees or mountains.

Investigators told the New Straits Times that they were now convinced the aircraft flow low over Kelantan, which is in the north east – exactly the same area where the villagers and fishermen who saw bright lights in the sky on the night the jet vanished are living.


At least nine people – fishermen, farmers and villagers – have made reports to police about seeing lights in the sky and some said they heard the loud noise of an engine.


These accounts appear to match the conclusions of investigators who say the jet flew low after making a sharp turn and heading west from its course over the South China Sea.  LINK
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #658 on: March 18, 2014, 05:49:13 am »
http://news.sky.com/story/1227589/missing-plane-two-thirds-of-passengers-cleared


Missing Plane: Two-Thirds Of Passengers Cleared
The hunt for flight MH370 is extended to China, as it emerges none of the 154 Chinese passengers on board have terrorism links.

5:45am UK, Tuesday 18 March 2014

Crew members look outside windows from a Malaysian Air Force CN235 aircraft during a search and rescue operation to find the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370

There has been no sign of the missing plane, despite an extensive search
Wish cards dedicated to flight MH370 are collected in Kuala Lumpur.

A Sky News special report from Alistair Bunkall who has been taking a detailed look at the latest moves in the investigation.

Video: Special Report: Missing Plane MH370

Two-thirds of passengers on board the missing Malaysian Airlines plane have been cleared of any links to terrorism, according to officials.

Background checks on all 154 Chinese passengers have not uncovered any evidence suggesting a plot to hijack or bring down flight MH370, Huang Huikang, the Chinese ambassador to Malaysia, said.

It appears to discount one theory that Uighur separatists - the group blamed for an attack in Beijing's Tiananmen Square last October and the massacre at Kunming railway station earlier this month - might have been involved in the plane's disappearance.

 There has been no trace of the Boeing 777 since it disappeared less than one hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

The aircraft's tracking devices were deliberately switched off, allowing it to travel almost undetected.

Satellite data suggests the plane flew for at least seven hours and could have ended up anywhere from central Asia to the southern reaches of the Indian Ocean.
Flight MH370 Nearly 240 passengers were on board flight MH370 when it vanished

It has prompted an unprecedented search involving teams from some 26 countries, who are scouring huge swathes of land and ocean for any sign of the aircraft.

Mr Huang said searches are now under way in China - part of which crosses a northern corridor along which the plane may have flown.

Meanwhile, investigators continue to probe the background of pilots Zaharie Ahmad Shah and Fariq Abdul Hamid, as well as ground engineers who worked on the aircraft before it took off.
Fariq Abdul Hamid & Zaharie Ahmad Shah Mr Hamid and Mr Zaharie were at the controls of the Boeing 777

The homes of both pilots have been searched and a flight simulator belonging to Mr Zaharie seized.

It is believed Mr Hamid made the last communication from the aircraft, calmly telling air traffic controllers as the plane passed into Vietnamese air space: "All right, good night."

Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein, who is expected to provide an update on the search at a news conference later, said: "The fact that there was no distress signal, no ransom notes, no parties claiming responsibility, there is always hope."
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #659 on: March 18, 2014, 12:44:17 pm »
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I want you to know we are on our toes down here.  While the rest of the world is still looking for the missing 777, we found it.

 It is in Mingo County, on cinder blocks, and being used by some locals as a new home.  They may be running a meth lab in the back end.

 Just so you know.
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« Reply #660 on: March 18, 2014, 01:24:43 pm »
hmm...I'm starting to believe aliens beamed it up...
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And why not??  Makes every bit as much sense as many of the other theories about it do.....

My best guess is that they flew the plane out into the Southern Indian Ocean and crashed into the sea when they ran out of fuel.  Nothing else makes much sense.....


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« Reply #661 on: March 18, 2014, 01:33:34 pm »
And why not??  Makes every bit as much sense as many of the other theories about it do.....

My best guess is that they flew the plane out into the Southern Indian Ocean and crashed into the sea when they ran out of fuel.  Nothing else makes much sense.....

I can tell you this much! If they flew at 5000 feet for very long they didn't get far! You could use the fuel flow meters for fans flying that low!
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« Reply #662 on: March 18, 2014, 02:16:34 pm »
http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-fire-2014-3

This Is The Most Plausible Theory For The Plane's Disappearance We've Heard Yet...
Henry Blodget
March 18, 2014

Over the past 10 days, investigators and observers have come up with ever-more elaborate theories for what might have happened to Malaysia Airways Flight 370.

What was originally assumed to have been a tragic mid-air explosion or mechanical problem soon bloomed into a criminal investigation of a meticulously planned hijacking, commandeering, or otherwise stealing of a fully loaded commercial 777 in mid-air.

The perpetrator(s) knew the plane so well, one of the latest theories goes, that they climbed through a trap door outside the cockpit to reach circuit breakers necessary to shut down one of the communication's systems. They shut down the transponder. They made the plane disappear and fooled the world into thinking it had crashed. They flew one of two "arcs" for 7 hours — a "southern route" over the Indian Ocean on which, eventually, they crashed the plane in the ocean in a complicated suicide, and a "northern route" in which, perhaps, they slipped past land-based radar, flew to a destination in central Asia, and landed, perhaps preparing to use the plane again soon for a terrorist attack or other mission. This latter plan was executed so flawlessly, one observer theorized, that Flight 370 slipped in behind another commercial airliner for much of the route so as not to be noticed on radar.

The pilots' houses have been searched. Terrorist connections have been probed. Passenger backgrounds and possible motives have been scrutinized. And still, 10 days after the plane disappeared, we know nothing.

Perhaps that's because we're overthinking it.

Article at link.

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« Reply #663 on: March 18, 2014, 05:13:31 pm »
Maldives island residents report sighting of 'low flying jet'

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062



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Residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a "low flying jumbo jet" on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #664 on: March 18, 2014, 05:53:51 pm »
Maldives fits one of the satellite tracks and also that nothing has been found. There is a whole lot of nothing past those islands.

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« Reply #665 on: March 18, 2014, 05:56:42 pm »
I can tell you this much! If they flew at 5000 feet for very long they didn't get far! You could use the fuel flow meters for fans flying that low!
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« Reply #666 on: March 18, 2014, 05:58:21 pm »
I wonder if the plane is somewhere in Malaysia or even the Philippines, that it circled back and is right in front of everyone's noses, though hidden in rough terrain?

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« Reply #667 on: March 18, 2014, 06:08:56 pm »
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I want you to know we are on our toes down here.  While the rest of the world is still looking for the missing 777, we found it.

 It is in Mingo County, on cinder blocks, and being used by some locals as a new home.  They may be running a meth lab in the back end.

 Just so you know.

 :laugh:  I just watched the movie called "The Game" with Michael Douglas. How are we to know if the testers on board the plane working on making commercial planes invisible, aren't making a massive marketing appeal to their product?
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« Reply #668 on: March 18, 2014, 06:12:59 pm »
I wonder if the plane is somewhere in Malaysia or even the Philippines, that it circled back and is right in front of everyone's noses, though hidden in rough terrain?

I have done runs under the radar from time to time (long story, rather boring). Anywhere near land, well, you are looking at your belly being no more than 20 feet off the ground, to get lost in the ground scatter. That is hard enough in a chopper. Doing it in a 777 would be the stuff of legend, and the pilot would never, ever, have to buy another beer ever again.
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« Reply #669 on: March 18, 2014, 06:42:08 pm »
Maldives fits one of the satellite tracks and also that nothing has been found. There is a whole lot of nothing past those islands.

Sounds like the search needs to focus west of the Maldives out to a point where it would have run out of fuel. And like what was already said if flying low it would burn fuel much faster
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« Reply #670 on: March 18, 2014, 06:53:41 pm »
I have done runs under the radar from time to time (long story, rather boring). Anywhere near land, well, you are looking at your belly being no more than 20 feet off the ground, to get lost in the ground scatter. That is hard enough in a chopper. Doing it in a 777 would be the stuff of legend, and the pilot would never, ever, have to buy another beer ever again.

No chance anyone is going to try and fly a low level run in a 777, at least not for long.  It can't turn fast enough and it you bank and yank hard enough its just as likely to stall. 

But considering that nobody worth a hoot is monitoring the radar in that area anyway, why bother with a low level when simply popping the breaker on the transponder works just as well??


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« Reply #671 on: March 18, 2014, 11:27:20 pm »
Plane Satellite Image Uncovered- Andaman Island:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9844415/Plane-satellite-image-uncovered

Location:
http://goo.gl/maps/HC3H4

I have no clue if this is legit. There is so much junk going around about this, it is hard to discern.




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« Reply #672 on: March 18, 2014, 11:30:04 pm »
Plane Satellite Image Uncovered- Andaman Island:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9844415/Plane-satellite-image-uncovered

Location:
http://goo.gl/maps/HC3H4

I have no clue if this is legit. There is so much junk going around about this, it is hard to discern.

Could be fake or could be a 767, 787, A300, A310, or an A330.  Nothing in the photo tells us it is a 777 or the specific 777 everyone is looking for.  Google Earth has captured tons of planes in flight by pure happenstance so it's not uncommon.
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« Reply #673 on: March 18, 2014, 11:32:45 pm »
Could be fake or could be a 767, 787, A300, A310, or an A330.  Nothing in the photo tells us it is a 777 or the specific 777 everyone is looking for.  Google Earth has captured tons of planes in flight by pure happenstance so it's not uncommon.

You are right. It is hard to tell by the profile shown (I can't recognize the 777 without Googling it, I don't think I've ever been on one).  The satellite image was from the mass dump DigitalGlobe put out from their images that morning so at least it has the timing.

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« Reply #674 on: March 18, 2014, 11:35:16 pm »
Here is DigitalGlobe's crowdsourcing search page.
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

It is really cool (IMHO). They had imagery from that area that morning so they are recruiting everyone to scrub the images. It is a search area six times the size of the US. Imagine trying to find the image of one airplane in satellite images of the US then multiply that by six. Daunting effort but crowdsourcing is pretty good way to go.