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« Reply #600 on: March 17, 2014, 12:28:06 am »
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« Reply #601 on: March 17, 2014, 12:44:26 am »
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Final words from missing jet came after systems shutdown

25 countries scour southeast Asia for clues of where MH370 may have disappeared to as pilots remain high on suspect list
By AP March 17, 2014, 1:43 am 0

When someone at the controls calmly said the last words heard from the missing Malaysian jetliner, one of the Boeing 777′s communications systems had already been disabled, authorities said Sunday, adding to suspicions that one or both of the pilots were involved in disappearance of the flight.

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Investigators also examined a flight simulator confiscated from the home of one of the pilots and dug through the background of all 239 people on board, as well as the ground crew that serviced the plane.

The Malaysia Airlines jet took off from Kuala Lumpur in the wee hours of March 8, headed to Beijing. On Saturday, the Malaysian government announced findings that strongly suggested the plane was deliberately diverted and may have flown as far north as Central Asia or south into the vast reaches of the Indian Ocean.

Authorities have said someone on board the plane first disabled one of its communications systems — the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS — about 40 minutes after takeoff. The ACARS equipment sends information about the jet’s engines and other data to the airline.

Around 14 minutes later, the transponder that identifies the plane to commercial radar systems was also shut down. The fact that both systems went dark separately offered strong evidence that the plane’s disappearance was deliberate.

On Sunday, Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference that that the final, reassuring words from the cockpit — “All right, good night” — were spoken to air traffic controllers after the ACARS system was shut off. Whoever spoke did not mention any trouble on board.

Air force Maj. Gen. Affendi Buang told reporters he did not know whether it was the pilot or co-pilot who spoke to air traffic controllers.

Given the expanse of land and water that might need to be searched, finding the wreckage could take months or longer. Or it might never be located. Establishing what happened with any degree of certainty will probably require evidence from cockpit voice recordings and the plane’s flight-data recorders.

The search area now includes 11 countries the plane might have flown over, Hishammuddin said, adding that the number of countries involved in the operation had increased from 14 to 25.

“The search was already a highly complex, multinational effort,” he said. “It has now become even more difficult.”

The search effort initially focused on the relatively shallow waters of the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca, where the plane was first thought to be. Hishammuddin said he had asked governments to hand over sensitive radar and satellite data to try to get a better idea of the plane’s final movements.

With more information, he said, the search zone could be narrowed “to an area that is more feasible.”

Malaysia is leading the search for the plane and the investigation into its disappearance.

In the United States, Dan Pfeiffer, senior adviser to President Barack Obama, told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the FBI was supporting the criminal probe.

Rep. Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence, said on ABC’s “This Week” that so far “there’s nothing out there indicating it’s terrorists.”

Investigators are trying to answer these questions: If the two pilots were involved in the disappearance, were they working together or alone, or with one or more of the passengers or crew? Did they fly the plane under duress or of their own will? Did one or more of the passengers manage to break into the cockpit or use the threat of violence to gain entry and then seize the plane? And what possible motive could there be for diverting the jet?

Malaysia’s police chief, Khalid Abu Bakar, said he asked countries with citizens on board the plane to investigate their backgrounds, no doubt looking for anyone with terrorism ties, aviation skills or prior contact with the pilots. He said that the intelligence agencies of some countries had already done so and found nothing suspicious, but he was waiting for others to respond.

Police searched the homes of both pilots Saturday, the first time they had done so since the plane vanished, the government said. Asked why it took them so long, Khalid said authorities “didn’t see the necessity in the early stages.”

Police confiscated the elaborate flight simulator that one of the pilots, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had built in his home and reassembled it in their offices to study it for clues, Khalid said.

Zaharie, 53, who has three grown children and one grandchild, had previously posted photos online of the simulator, which was made with three large computer monitors and other accessories. Earlier this week, the head of Malaysia Airlines said the simulator was not in itself cause for any suspicion.

Malaysian police were also investigating engineers and ground staff who may have had contact with the plane before it took off, Khalid said.

Even though the ACARS system was disabled on Flight 370, it continued to emit faint hourly pulses that were recorded by a satellite. The last “ping” was sent out at 8:11 a.m. — 7 hours and 31 minutes after the plane took off. That placed the jet somewhere in a huge arc as far north as Kazakhstan in Central Asia or far into the southern Indian Ocean.

While many people believe the plane has crashed, there is a small possibility it may have landed somewhere and be relatively intact. Affendi, the air force general, and Hishammuddin, the defense minister, said it was possible for the plane to “ping” when it was on the ground if its electrical systems were undamaged.

Australia said it was sending one of its two AP-3C Orion aircraft involved in the search to remote islands in the Indian Ocean at Malaysia’s request. The plane will search the north and west of the Cocos Islands, a remote Australian territory with an airstrip about 1,200 kilometers (745 miles) southwest of Indonesia, military chief Gen. David Hurley said.

Given that a northern route would have sent the plane over countries with busy airspace, most experts say the person in control of the aircraft would more likely have chosen to go south. The southern Indian Ocean is the world’s third-deepest and one of the most remote stretches of water in the world, with little radar coverage.

Whoever disabled the plane’s communication systems and then flew the jet must have had a high degree of technical knowledge and flying experience, putting one or both of the pilots high on the list of possible suspects, Malaysian officials and aviation experts said.

Zaharie, the captain, was a supporter of a Malaysian opposition political party that is locked in a bitter dispute with the government, according to postings on his Facebook page and a friend, Peter Chong, who is a party member.

Chong said that he last saw Zaharie a week before the pilot left on the flight for Beijing and that they had agreed to meet on his return to organize a shopping trip for poor children.

“If I am on a flight, I would choose Captain Zaharie,” he said. “He is dedicated to his job. He is a professional and he loves flying.”

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #602 on: March 17, 2014, 12:57:51 am »
There is so much professional misconduct here by so many different parties it is difficult to appreciate.  This simply can not occur inside of the air cover of the Continental US.  It simply is not possible for a 777 to fly unchallenged for that long, through so many different radar corridors, and had acts like turning off the transponder go completely unchallenged.

If anything, the FAA and Homeland Scrutiny ought to be ringing the goddam alarm bells over how easily this jet was deviated from its flight path, how long it flew completely unchallenged by anyone, including the Malaysian military who apparently tracked it for hours and said nothing.  Why the frack did these people waste all that money on defense radar if all they are going to do with it is park monkeys on the monitors to watch all the fancy lights flash??  What the frack does Vietnam have an air traffic control system for, if they allow a jet to just turn off its transponder unchallenged??

It is hard to believe that this much malfeasance is out there, and it scares the hell out of me that this has gone down the way it did and is continuing for as long as it has.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #603 on: March 17, 2014, 01:05:23 am »
There is so much professional misconduct here by so many different parties it is difficult to appreciate.  This simply can not occur inside of the air cover of the Continental US.  It simply is not possible for a 777 to fly unchallenged for that long, through so many different radar corridors, and had acts like turning off the transponder go completely unchallenged.

If anything, the FAA and Homeland Scrutiny ought to be ringing the goddam alarm bells over how easily this jet was deviated from its flight path, how long it flew completely unchallenged by anyone, including the Malaysian military who apparently tracked it for hours and said nothing.  Why the frack did these people waste all that money on defense radar if all they are going to do with it is park monkeys on the monitors to watch all the fancy lights flash??  What the frack does Vietnam have an air traffic control system for, if they allow a jet to just turn off its transponder unchallenged??

It is hard to believe that this much malfeasance is out there, and it scares the hell out of me that this has gone down the way it did and is continuing for as long as it has.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #604 on: March 17, 2014, 01:41:25 am »

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« Reply #605 on: March 17, 2014, 02:06:23 am »
How the hell could they do either and evade the many different military surveillance radars, India in particular??  You would think that someone would have seen an unidentified radar contact and pushed the alarm button.  I cannot see how you fly an airliner that far without someone taking notice.




I don't know about India but as you said elsewhere:  monkeys sitting at the radar terminals watching the pretty lights blink.

Here's another thought:  have the prevailing winds been taken into account in trying to reconstruct the plane's ultimate location (at least a more precise determination of the last ping).  For example, if the prevailing winds are west to east, then the potential search area should probably be shifted a bit eastward.  Keeping in mind that we're talking about experienced pilots, so this is a stretch, but is it possible that whomever was piloting the aircraft made a mistake about how far the plane's fuel could take it if they went west - into the prevailing winds - instead of east - with the prevailing winds?  Obviously if the prevailing winds go the other way, then just switch "west" and "east" in the above.  If the prevailing winds are west to east, then the ground distance the aircraft could travel westward with a given load of fuel would be less than the distance it could travel eastward.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #606 on: March 17, 2014, 04:36:04 am »
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mh370-flew-as-low-as-1500m-to-avoid-detection-says-nst

MH370 flew as low as 1,500m to avoid detection, says paper

March 17, 2014



As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection.

In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370’s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER (9M-MRO) disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board. Malaysian authorities said on Saturday the plane was deliberately diverted and its on-board transmission devices switched off to avoid detection.

Its last contact was at 8.11am north of the Strait of Malacca.

Investigators poring over MH370’s flight data had said the plane had flown low and used “terrain masking” as it flew over the Bay of Bengal and headed north towards land, the NST reported.

Officials, who formed the technical team, were looking into the possibility that whoever was piloting the jet at that time had taken advantage of the busy airways over the Bay of Bengal and stuck to a commercial route to avoid raising the suspicion of those manning primary (military) radars, the paper said.

“The person who had control over the aircraft has a solid knowledge of avionics and navigation and left a clean track. It passed low over Kelantan, that was true,” the NST quoted an anonymous official as saying.

“Terrain masking” refers to an ability to position an aircraft so there is natural earth hiding it from the radio waves sent from the radar system. It is a technique mostly used in aerial combat where military pilots would fly at extremely low elevations upon normally hilly or mountainous terrain to “mask” their approach.

Experts said flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, stressing the airframe and possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.

Flight MH370 flew for an estimated eight hours and the authorities believe it would have flew over two additional countries besides Malaysia, although it's not clear which ones.

On Saturday, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said the search for MH370 would now expand to areas beyond Thailand to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan in the north and beyond Indonesia in the south.

This was after satellite data placed the aircraft in one of two corridors: at the north stretching from northern Thailand to Kazakhstan, or at the south, from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

The NST quoting sources said the probe would now focus on regions with disused airports equipped with long runways capable of handling a plane like the Boeing 777.

Putrajaya has briefed envoys from nearly two dozen nations and appealed for international help in the search for the plane.

"The search area has been significantly expanded," acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said yesterday.

"From focusing mainly on shallow seas, we are now looking at large tracts of land, crossing 11 countries, as well as deep and remote oceans."

Investigations have also focused on the backgrounds of the pilots, crew and ground staff of those who worked on the missing jet.

On Saturday, Special Branch officers searched the homes of the captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and first officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27.

Today, Reuters reports that the last words from the cockpit of missing MH370 – "all right, good night" – were uttered after someone on board had already begun disabling one of the plane's automatic tracking systems.

Both the timing and informal nature of the phrase, spoken to air traffic controllers as the plane was leaving Malaysian-run airspace could further heighten suspicions of hijacking or sabotage, it said.

The sign-off came after one of the plane's data communication systems, which would have enabled it to be tracked beyond radar coverage, had been deliberately switched off, Hishammuddin said yesterday.

"The answer to your question is yes, it was disabled before," he told reporters when asked if the ACARS system – a maintenance computer that sends back data on the plane's status – had been deactivated before the voice sign-off.

Background checks of passengers have drawn a blank but not every country whose nationals were on board has responded to requests for information, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said.  – March 17, 2014.
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« Reply #607 on: March 17, 2014, 04:43:27 am »
Will say it again....

...any insurance company worth its salt would be part of a network that shared the cost of making it a requirement that a 'lo-jack-type device be installed somewhere integrated into the construction of the aircraft.  It CANNOT be discovered, nor tampered with.

A Garmin GPS satellite handles hundreds of thousands of instant direction requests and 'knows' where you are within 10 feet at all times. 

It seems elementary...dear Watson....that it should be virtually impossible to hide a jetliner that doesn't belong to you.

Am I wrong in my thinking?  :shrug:
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« Reply #608 on: March 17, 2014, 04:47:09 am »
Will say it again....

...any insurance company worth its salt would be part of a network that shared the cost of making it a requirement that a 'lo-jack-type device be installed somewhere integrated into the construction of the aircraft.  It CANNOT be discovered, nor tampered with.

A Garmin GPS satellite handles hundreds of thousands of instant direction requests and 'knows' where you are within 10 feet at all times. 

It seems elementary...dear Watson....that it should be virtually impossible to hide a jetliner that doesn't belong to you.

Am I wrong in my thinking?  :shrug:

If Malaysia Airlines had subscribed to the satellite tracking - which is available we would know where the plane is right now.  Someone on CNN explained it really well yesterday.  The "ping" off the engines went to one satellite.. if they had the satellite tracking (think OnStar) then they would have been able to take the pings from it and cross-triagulate and would know exactly - or very close to exactly - where that plane either crashed or landed.  I heard an expert today say the USA could make a stink and tell all airlines flying into the USA this is mandatory on their planes.
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« Reply #609 on: March 17, 2014, 04:54:00 am »
"Pings" my butt.

There should be active technology right now that enables a person sitting on a console to watch a map screen as if he were flying the plane.

It would take plane hi-jacking the way of the obscene phone call at the advent of caller ID.   A thing of the past.
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« Reply #610 on: March 17, 2014, 05:00:41 am »
"Pings" my butt.

There should be active technology right now that enables a person sitting on a console to watch a map screen as if he were flying the plane.

It would take plane hi-jacking the way of the obscene phone call at the advent of caller ID.   A thing of the past.

At that altitude you have to depend on satellite technology and huge swaths of the oceans are not covered 100% of the time with satellites.  It's like driving through the mountains with a cell phone the reception will go in and out - but if the airline paid for the airline version of On-Star we'd likely know where they went.
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« Reply #611 on: March 17, 2014, 05:06:35 am »
At that altitude you have to depend on satellite technology and huge swaths of the oceans are not covered 100% of the time with satellites.  It's like driving through the mountains with a cell phone the reception will go in and out - but if the airline paid for the airline version of On-Star we'd likely know where they went.

Where do typical GPS satellites orbit in comparison to the highest orbiting commercial satellite?

I see your point though.  Tracking an object 35K at 659 mph isn't the same as tracking me to an assigned address.
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« Reply #612 on: March 17, 2014, 05:48:51 am »
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/malaysia-sets-new-search-zone-as-flight-deliberately-diverted.html

Ocean Off Perth Called Diverted Malaysian Plane's Most Likely Last Position
By Alan Levin, Manirajan Ramasamy and Andrew Davis Mar 15, 2014 10:33 PM MT

The weeklong search for a missing passenger jet shifted toward the Indian Ocean as Malaysia’s prime minister agreed with investigators that the aircraft was intentionally diverted.

Satellite transmissions that weren’t turned off along with other systems showed Malaysian Airline Flight 370 operated for almost seven hours after last making contact with air traffic controllers on March 8, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said yesterday. That may have taken the Boeing Co. 777-200 near the limits of its fuel load if it was airborne the whole period.

The movements of the plane, which veered off its Kuala Lumpur-to-Beijing course and flew back across the Malaysian peninsula before disappearing, were “consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane,” Najib said.

“In view of this latest development, the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board,” he said.

Police searched the home of Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, the captain of the flight, shortly after Najib spoke, Reuters reported.

Satellite transmission data analyzed by U.S. investigators showed that the Malaysian Airline (MAS) System Bhd. jetliner’s most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,000 miles (1,609 kilometers) west of Perth, Australia, said two people in the U.S. government who are familiar with the readings. Najib was told that is the most promising lead on locating the plane, one of the people said.
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“We’ve had no additional requests from the Malaysian authorities,” Rebecca Horton, a spokeswoman for Australian Defence Minister David Johnston, said today by phone.
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« Reply #613 on: March 17, 2014, 05:54:28 am »
Where do typical GPS satellites orbit in comparison to the highest orbiting commercial satellite?

I see your point though.  Tracking an object 35K at 659 mph isn't the same as tracking me to an assigned address.

DC, I think this will help you........

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html

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So, how do you track a plane and what do we know about the movements of flight MH370?



Air traffic control standard international practice is to monitor airspace using two radar systems: primary and secondary.

Primary radar, based on the earliest form of radar developed in the 1930s, detects and measures the approximate position of aircraft using reflected radio signals. It does this whether or not the subject wants to be tracked. Secondary radar, which relies on targets being equipped with a transponder, also requests additional information from the aircraft - such as its identity and altitude.

All commercial aircraft are equipped with transponders (an abbreviation of "transmitter responder"), which automatically transmit a unique four-digit code when they receive a radio signal sent by radar.

The code gives the plane's identity and radar stations go on to establish speed and direction by monitoring successive transmissions. This flight data is then relayed to air traffic controllers.

However, once an aircraft is more than 240km (150 miles) out to sea, radar coverage fades and air crew keep in touch with air traffic control and other aircraft using high-frequency radio.

Flight MH370 disappeared from air traffic control screens when its transponder signal stopped. The last definitive sighting on civilian radar showed the plane flying north east across the Gulf of Thailand.

The final radio message received by air traffic control - "Alright, roger that" - suggested everything was normal on board.
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Don't planes have GPS?

Yes, but while GPS (Global Positioning System) is a staple of modern life, the world's air traffic control network is still almost entirely radar-based.

Aircraft use GPS to show pilots their position on a map, but this data is not usually shared with air traffic control.

Flight MH370's last known location





Some of the most modern aircraft are able to "uplink" GPS data to satellite tracking services, but handling large volumes of flight data is expensive and such systems are usually only used in remote areas with no radar coverage.

However, there are plans for air traffic controllers to replace radar as their primary surveillance method over the next decade.

The new system - ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast) - will see aircraft work out their position using GPS and then relay data to the ground and other planes.

But, as with existing secondary radar, ADS-B coverage does not extend over the oceans.

ADS-B is already used by flight-tracking websites, but the Malaysian aircraft disappeared from these at the same time it vanished from air traffic control screens.

The disappearance of flight MH370 has already brought renewed focus on whether mid-air tracking should be improved.


Could other data systems provide clues?

When Air France flight 447 crashed into the mid Atlantic in 2009, its onboard data system - Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) - gave investigators an early insight into what had gone wrong.

ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground, relaying in-flight information about the health of its systems.



Messages are transmitted either by radio or digital signals via satellites, and can cover anything from the status of the plane's engines to a faulty toilet.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #614 on: March 17, 2014, 11:30:05 am »
At that altitude you have to depend on satellite technology and huge swaths of the oceans are not covered 100% of the time with satellites.  It's like driving through the mountains with a cell phone the reception will go in and out - but if the airline paid for the airline version of On-Star we'd likely know where they went.

A cell phone is not a satellite.  A cell phone is dependent upon ground based towers, terrain can get in the way.  Satellites are in the sky.  If you're a terrorist on a SAT phone, you use it at your peril.  You can be be detected.  Not so with a cell phone.  TV news experts do no one any favors with incorrect comparisons (can't think of exact word).
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« Reply #615 on: March 17, 2014, 12:55:00 pm »
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Malaysian officials reveal it was missing jet's CO-PILOT - not the captain - who said calm 'good night' to air traffic control after plane's tracking equipment was disabled

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Some senior US officials believe it is possible the plane was taken as part of a ‘dry run’ for a future terrorist attack – in order to find out whether a plane can be hidden from radar and satellites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582146/Caught-CCTV-Pilots-doomed-Malaysian-Airlines-flight-walk-security-final-time-off.html
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« Reply #616 on: March 17, 2014, 01:04:22 pm »
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Missing plane: Now police probe whether passenger who was flight engineer for private jet firm was involved in hijacking

--Police probing MH370 passengers with technical knowledge of planes
--Passenger Mohd Khairul was a flight engineer with a private jet firm
--No trace of the plane has been found more than a week after it vanished
--Authorities believe that the plane was flown deliberately off-course


A flight engineer who was a passenger on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane is being investigated as the suspicion that it was hijacked hardens.

The aviation engineer is Mohd Khairul Amri Selamat, 29, a Malaysian who has said on social media he had worked for a private jet charter company.

The pilots are also under intense scrutiny, after it was revealed that the co-pilot said  'all right, good night', after someone had begun disabling one of the plane's automatic tracking systems.

Malaysian investigators are trawling through the backgrounds of the pilots, crew and ground staff who worked on the missing Boeing 777-200ER for clues as to why someone on board flew it hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of miles off course.

‘Yes, we are looking into Mohd Khairul as well as the other passengers and crew. The focus is on anyone else who might have had aviation skills on that plane,’ a senior police official with knowledge of the investigations told Reuters.

As he's investigated, his wife, Emy, waits in hope.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference Monday that finding the plane was still the main focus, and he did not rule out finding it intact.

'The fact that there was no distress signal, no ransom notes, no parties claiming responsibility, there is always hope,' Hishammuddin said.

No trace of the plane has been found more than a week after it vanished but investigators believe it was diverted by someone with deep knowledge of the plane and of commercial navigation.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Saturday evidence pointed to a deliberate diversion of the flight, given the controlled way it was apparently turned around and flown far to the west of its original route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582504/MH370-Malaysia-Airlines-mystery-Police-probe-flight-engineer-Mohd-Khairul-flight-engineer-private-jet-firm-involved-hijacking.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #617 on: March 17, 2014, 02:14:20 pm »
Glenn Beck was talking about this on his radio program today.  This might explain why a plane with passengers would be hijacked.

"20 Passengers From Missing Malaysia Flight Were DOD Employees Involved In Electronic Warfare & Weapons That Can “Cloak” Or Make Planes Invisible"

http://govtslaves.info/20-passengers-missing-malaysia-flight-dod-employees-involved-electronic-warfare-weapons-can-cloak-make-planes-invisible/

The 20 employees work for an Austin, Texas based company - these employees are Chinese and Malaysian.
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« Reply #618 on: March 17, 2014, 02:26:36 pm »
Just what we needed....a fresh twisted conspiracy theory out of Glenn Beck.  If he says it, be sure it is both Hugh and series....

Along that tangent, has anyone heard from John Bachelor yet??  What does DEBKA make of this???

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #619 on: March 17, 2014, 02:49:36 pm »
Just what we needed....a fresh twisted conspiracy theory out of Glenn Beck.  If he says it, be sure it is both Hugh and series....

Along that tangent, has anyone heard from John Bachelor yet??  What does DEBKA make of this???

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Did you even read the article, Chieftan?  Or did you just see Glenn Beck's name and turn it off?  It's not Beck's theory, there are lots of articles about this - he was reporting on the "conspiracy theory" going around the Internet on this.  If you read about this company and the technology they are working on, it might make sense to a terrorist organization.  As much sense as any of the other theories out there.

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« Reply #620 on: March 17, 2014, 03:43:04 pm »
Leaked Footage Shows #MH370 Pilots Going Through Airport Security Checks
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« Reply #622 on: March 17, 2014, 04:58:02 pm »
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« Reply #623 on: March 17, 2014, 05:31:27 pm »
A cell phone is not a satellite.  A cell phone is dependent upon ground based towers, terrain can get in the way.  Satellites are in the sky.  If you're a terrorist on a SAT phone, you use it at your peril.  You can be be detected.  Not so with a cell phone.  TV news experts do no one any favors with incorrect comparisons (can't think of exact word).


DC was talking about why every plane cannot be tracked constantly and the tracking not turned off.. we weren't talking cell phones or sat phones.
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« Reply #624 on: March 17, 2014, 05:34:12 pm »
Article at hotmail if someone wants to post it..Malaysia official paper now reporting it dropped down and flew at 5000 feet to avoid detection.
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