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« Reply #250 on: March 11, 2014, 11:06:11 pm »
If that's really the course the plane took - with that sharp left turn - it sure does look like hijacking or something like it was part of the equation.

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« Reply #251 on: March 11, 2014, 11:08:14 pm »
Large debris field found in the waters of Vietnam.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20140311/100836.shtml

Supposedly images were posted on Twitter. I'm trying to find those now.

This has been reported for the past two days.  It has already been investigated and found to be unrelated to MH370..
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« Reply #252 on: March 12, 2014, 01:17:03 am »
Large debris field found in the waters of Vietnam.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20140311/100836.shtml

Supposedly images were posted on Twitter. I'm trying to find those now.

AB I posted the pics here Sunday evening if you look back on this thread you will see them.. the supposition is trash fro, Ho Chi Min City (ugh)...
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« Reply #253 on: March 12, 2014, 01:18:33 am »
They are convinved someone shut off the transponders and if they did then this was someone who knew a lot about the plane........ reports now it was tracked over a small island in the Indian Ocean flying very low before it totally disappeared.

The question now is Malaysia has known this info for days and allowed them to search in the wrong area for days
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« Reply #254 on: March 12, 2014, 01:19:59 am »
They are convinved someone shut off the transponders and if they did then this was someone who knew a lot about the plane........ reports now it was tracked over a small island in the Indian Ocean flying very low before it totally disappeared.

The question now is Malaysia has known this info for days and allowed them to search in the wrong area for days

where are those reports coming from?

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« Reply #255 on: March 12, 2014, 01:30:29 am »
where are those reports coming from?

FAA officials interviewed on Fox News.
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« Reply #256 on: March 12, 2014, 01:30:58 am »
FAA officials interviewed on Fox News.

interesting.  did they say why they thought that?

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« Reply #257 on: March 12, 2014, 01:35:10 am »
interesting.  did they say why they thought that?

It's all very technical (technical names for the different electronics on the planes), but the bottom line was pretty much what Atomic Cow has said the last few days - they can't just shut this stuff off, so someone had a lot of knowledge to turn everything off.  Also the fact the Malasians knew the plane more than made a left turn, that it turned and flew straight  over the Malaian pennisula to the Indian Ocean where the last sign of it was over a small island,   They know (also) it was flying low at the time.

Megyn kelly is discussing it again right now  - they are wondering if hackers could have turned the electronics off.
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« Reply #258 on: March 12, 2014, 01:36:31 am »
The plane contains a "self-contained" avionics on a totally separate network, but this plane had avionics that were hooked into the TV's, etc., on the plane -- which SHOULD be physically separated but on this plane they were not separated.
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« Reply #259 on: March 12, 2014, 01:38:34 am »
Pilot thinks they turned around because something was wrong or going wrong with the airplane and they eventually just went down....... and that is why they turned back toward the airport they departed and didn't make it, ditching into the sea (just not the sea where they have been looking until now)
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« Reply #260 on: March 12, 2014, 01:46:11 am »
A severe enough electrical failure (not power failure, but complete failure of the on board electronics), or perhaps a fire in the avionics bay, could knock out nearly everything on board the aircraft.  While very unlikely, it is possible.  And for the record, the 777 does not use the same batteries as the 787, the ones the media loves to talk about all the time.

The pilots would still have some basic control, enough to fly and attempt to land, but not much beyond that.  They would have to fly literally "by the seat of their pants."

One possibility I've heard suggested is a pressurization failure leading to incapacitation of everyone on board.  Remember Payne Stewart?  Same thing happened to Helios Airways Flight 522 which was a 737-300.

But yes, to disable all the communications (transponder, data links, on board phones, etc.) would take someone with knowledge of the aircraft's systems.
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« Reply #261 on: March 12, 2014, 02:10:56 am »
A severe enough electrical failure (not power failure, but complete failure of the on board electronics), or perhaps a fire in the avionics bay, could knock out nearly everything on board the aircraft.  While very unlikely, it is possible.  And for the record, the 777 does not use the same batteries as the 787, the ones the media loves to talk about all the time.

The pilots would still have some basic control, enough to fly and attempt to land, but not much beyond that.  They would have to fly literally "by the seat of their pants."

One possibility I've heard suggested is a pressurization failure leading to incapacitation of everyone on board.  Remember Payne Stewart?  Same thing happened to Helios Airways Flight 522 which was a 737-300.

But yes, to disable all the communications (transponder, data links, on board phones, etc.) would take someone with knowledge of the aircraft's systems.

My retired FAA friend and I were exploring this very possibility today and the likely hood that IF such a thing occurred they would be reduced to trying to find their way back over water at night with only a magnetic compass to aid their navigation.
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« Reply #262 on: March 12, 2014, 02:27:15 am »
This whole thing is downright crazy. The one expert guy said they were looking in the wrong general area and they have the capabilities to find the general area.
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« Reply #263 on: March 12, 2014, 02:28:45 am »
My retired FAA friend and I were exploring this very possibility today and the likely hood that IF such a thing occurred they would be reduced to trying to find their way back over water at night with only a magnetic compass to aid their navigation.

A pilot who started flying in 1981 would be far more of a "stick and rudder" man than younger pilots who grew up in the age of these fully automated jetliners.

I would think if anyone could land a plane under those conditions, someone like this pilot could do it if the only failure was electrical and not structural.
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« Reply #264 on: March 12, 2014, 02:29:31 am »
This whole thing is downright crazy. The one expert guy said they were looking in the wrong general area and they have the capabilities to find the general area.

One good way would be to send up a couple of U-2s.  They can survey a massive area in a short time, and can operate well above all commercial aircraft and the search planes.
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« Reply #265 on: March 12, 2014, 02:31:51 am »
One good way would be to send up a couple of U-2s.  They can survey a massive area in a short time, and can operate well above all commercial aircraft and the search planes.

I wonder if we have any boomers in the area that could possibly pick up wreckage underwater with sonar?

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« Reply #266 on: March 12, 2014, 02:35:26 am »
I wonder if we have any boomers in the area that could possibly pick up wreckage underwater with sonar?

Probably not any SSBNs, those stay out in deep water.  An attack sub would be more than enough.

The French tried that with Air France 447, but the data recorders were down in the bottom of a canyon which masked the locator beacons.
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« Reply #267 on: March 12, 2014, 02:56:11 am »
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9 Odd Facts About Malaysian Flight MH370


by Ben Shapiro 11 Mar 2014, 6:38 AM PDT

With the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the world holds its collective breath. Where is the plane? What happened to its 239 passengers? Was this terrorism? Mechanical failure? Or something else entirely?

The flight simply vanished sometime late Friday night or early Saturday morning during its route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. There were no reports of turbulence or rough weather, and its last known position had the plane flying at 35,000 feet. According to air traffic controllers in Vietnam, the plane ended contact approximately 120 nautical miles east of Kota Bharu, although it’s possible the plane attempted to turn around before crashing.

Conspiracy theories abound, of course. Whenever a mystery of this magnitude breaks onto the public scene, the temptation to turn an event into an X Files-style investigation goes viral. Here, then, is what we know – the nine weirdest facts associated with this tragically missing flight:

The Plane Probably Sank in Shallow Waters. According to Bloomberg News, the plane “seems most likely to have gone down [in waters] about 50 meters (165 feet) deep.” So why hasn’t it been found? The black boxes have almost undoubtedly survived, and microphones can pick up the automatic pinging that follows on black boxes sinking beneath the water.

The Plane Would Have Been Tracked. According to safety expert Paul Hayes, “One assumes that Malaysian air-defense radars would be watching approaches to their airspace, and they need to be asked to have a look.” The plane did not check in with Vietnamese authorites when it exited Malaysian airspace. The plane also has emergency locator devices aboard, which should have activated upon the plane breaking up.

The Debris Should Have Been Found. It’s certainly odd that no debris from the plane has been found. Hayes says that if the airplane had fallen apart while flying, there would be a huge debris field easy enough to spot. But it’s missing. Reports of a floating door being spotted have been thrown out as inaccurate.

There Were Apparently Iranian Illegals On Board. The BBC has now reported that there were two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines flight – and that they bought fake passports for purposes of illegal immigration to Europe. More specifically, the two wanted to enter Germany and Denmark, respectively. The two actual passports belonged to 30-year-old Austrian Christian Kozel and 37-year-old Italian Luigi Maraldi. Many observers have speculated that perhaps the two illegally-traveling Iranians may have had terror connections. So far, there has been no evidence that they wanted to do anything illegal other than immigration. The man who booked the tickets for the two men, Kazem Ali, is now being sought by authorities. According to Malaysian civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, one of the men who boarded the plane illegally looked like soccer player Mario Balotelli. Balotelli is black.

Some Passengers Didn’t Get On The Plane. Five passengers who were booked for the flight did not get on the plane. Their luggage was removed beforehand, even though they checked in. The Malaysian government is investigating.

The Chinese Are Pissed. While there are 45 ships and 22 aircraft ranging from Chinese to American searching for the flight, the Chinese government is enraged with Malaysia; that’s because two-thirds of the people aboard the flight were Chinese nationals. The Chinese-run Global Times ran an editorial on Monday stating, “The Malaysian side cannot shirk its responsibilities. The initial response from Malaysia was not swift enough.”

It Could Have Something to Do With Terrorism. Or Drugs. China says that the plane disappearance could be related to terrorism: “The fact that some of the passengers on board were travelling with false passports should serve as a reminder to the whole world that security can never be too tight, at airports in particular, since terrorism, the evil of the world, is still trying to stain human civilisation with the blood of innocent lives.” So far, no terrorist group has claimed credit for the plane going down. Some outlets have speculated that “the passports have been used multiple times after theft by drug smugglers on the same route.”

There Are Conflicting Reports on the Shape of the Aircraft. The aircraft collided with another aircraft while on the ground in 2012 and broke off a wingtip. Nonetheless, the plane was signed off on 10 days ago, according to CEO of Malaysia Airlines subsidiary Firefly Airlines Ignatius Ong. Both pilots were experienced and have flown for the airline for years.

Relatives Say Passenger Cellphones Are Still Online. Relatives have been saying they can call passenger cellphones, which are still online; they say that accounts are still showing up on the Chinese instant messenger service QQ.

So, where is the plane? At this point, it’s anybody’s guess. But as the facts continue to pile up, the case becomes more mysterious, not less.

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« Reply #268 on: March 12, 2014, 03:14:38 am »
if it did turn around, and if it did fall to Earth without breaking up, even though it dropped off radar at almost 7 miles up, is it possible it crashed into the Vietnamese jungle?

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« Reply #269 on: March 12, 2014, 03:15:54 am »
Some Passengers Didn’t Get On The Plane. Five passengers who were booked for the flight did not get on the plane. Their luggage was removed beforehand, even though they checked in. The Malaysian government is investigating.

That's actually not uncommon.  Removing their bags was the proper security procedure.

If they didn't board, they likely weren't involved in anything nefarious.
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« Reply #270 on: March 12, 2014, 03:35:26 am »
The longest they have gone without locating a downed plane was ten days - we are "only" at day four so who knows.....

I am starting to think the plane was trying to return to the airport and crashed.
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« Reply #272 on: March 12, 2014, 06:34:04 pm »
Oil rig worker says he thinks he saw plane go down:
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.... The updates came as an oil rig worker claimed that he saw a plane go down off the south-east coast of Vietnam.

In an email sent to his employer, the worker describes seeing what he believes to be the missing Boeing 777  burning — in one piece — at high altitude, flying perpendicular to the standard plane routes that cross over the area.  ”I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down,” the man writes, according to an email obtained and tweeted by ABC News anchor Bob Woodruff. “The timing is right.”

According to Woodruff, Vietnamese officials confirmed they received the email, but found nothing in the water. ...
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« Reply #273 on: March 12, 2014, 06:46:17 pm »
If a plane that big hits the water there is exactly zero chance it would leave no debris at all.  There is all kind of matter on a commercial jet that floats and it is not possible for a plane to hit the water and not be torn to pieces in the impact.  Any impact sufficient to kill the passengers is sufficient to destroy the aircraft, and that means breaking it into a whole bunch of small pieces.




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« Reply #274 on: March 12, 2014, 08:40:30 pm »
The story keeps changing.  There is something very wrong going on here.


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