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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #125 on: March 09, 2014, 05:33:49 am »
Australia today ‏@auTODAY 16m

Media update live - 16:05 AEDT Reporter asks: "How can a 777 turn off all comms devices?" Officials could not answer this question #MH370

Even a full electrical failure (engines, APU, and the RAT aka Ram Air Turbine) would not have disabled the radios.  Emergency batteries allow the crew to continue to talk to ATC and it runs the transponder.

To disable everything at once is impossible short of destroying the aircraft.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #126 on: March 09, 2014, 05:51:28 am »
Flight 370 – these are possible scenarios
 by Ivor Soans 11 mins ago

 It's clear now that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777-200ER, hasn't landed on some remote strip and hope is all but lost. While most of the flight's route was overland, it seems to have gone down in the South China Sea at what should be the safest point in the flight--when it should have been at cruising speed on autopilot at 35,000 feet. While we can only speculate on what happened at this point of time, what does seem clear is that whatever happened was very sudden and catastrophic, leaving no time for the crew to react or even send a mayday call.

 Typically, this would most likely be a sudden structural failure that breaks the aircraft up. The Boeing 777 has also been a safe aircraft, with only two crashes till date and none with all lives lost. On 17 January 2008 British Airways Flight 38, also a 777-200ER, from Beijing to London crashed just short of the runway at Heathrow but there were no fatalities. Ice in fuel was determined as the cause of the crash, which restricted fuel flow to the engines. The engine maker Rolls Royce, made a modification to prevent this problem from reoccurring and it's certain that the Malaysian 777 would have been fitted with the modification years ago. And then on July 6 last year Asiana Airlines Flight 214 from Incheon, South Korea to San Francisco crashed on final approach to San Francisco, killing 3, making it the first Boeing 777 crash with fatalities since the aircraft model entered service in 1995. While Flight 214 was also a Boeing 777-200ER, pilot error was the cause of the crash.

 However, while the South Korean Asiana Airlines has a spotty safety record, that's not true for either British Airways or Malaysian Airlines. The experienced British Airways pilots of BA 38 were credited with managing to get the aircraft down without fatalities despite the loss of the airframe. The crew of Malaysian flight MH 370 seemed equally capable. The 53-year old pilot was a veteran with more than 18,000 flying hours since 1981, while the 27-year old first officer had about 2,800 hours of experience since 2007. And though the first officer was transitioning to the Boeing 777, he had undergone several months of training.

 A few weeks earlier, on February 19, CNN's Richard Quest was in a cockpit with him (and possibly the same captain, claims Quest) on a flight between Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur as part of a story for CNN's Business Traveller show. Quest claims the co-pilot made a textbook-perfect landing. And since he was transitioning to the Boeing 777, the captain in command would have been a training captain as indeed the captain of MH 370 was, says Quest.

Weather is unlikely to have played a role too. Modern aircraft can handle very bad weather. Eleven years ago, I was on a Singapore Airlines Boeing 777 on a flight to Shanghai when we hit terrible turbulence a few hours after takeoff. Sitting next to the wing and seeing them quite literally flap, I thought for more than a moment that they'd break off. The pilot came on air to calm everyone down as the aircraft bounced around, but while me and others were praying and holding tight for dear life, such experiences are not uncommon and aircraft and pilots of the calibre of those flying MH 370 would be capable of handling very bad weather.

 When Air France Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to Paris went down over the Atlantic on 1 June 2009, resulting in 228 deaths, bad weather was a factor, but it didn't cause the crash. The experienced captain handed over to the two co-pilots--the Airbus 330 carried 3 pilots on the 10.5 hour flight--for his rest break and minutes later the aircraft hit a thunderstorm. Unfortunately, a speed sensor called a pitot tube malfunctioned thanks to ice at the high altitude they were at, and the pilots never realised the extent of the problem and made a series of errors because the on-board computers were getting grossly wrong information from the sensor. The captain returned to the cockpit, but still couldn't prevent the A330 hitting the ocean three minutes later. All sensors on A330s were changed after the crash to ensure a similar issue would not reoccur.

 In the case of AF 447, the aircraft also sent a series of electronic messages over a three-minute period from an on-board monitoring system via the Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) which gave investigators vital clues on what went wrong fairly quickly after the disaster. Malaysia Airlines may have similar information but this may currently be privy only to the investigators looking into what happened to MH 370. A pilot of a Boeing 777 flying to Tokyo also claims to have established contact with MH 370 after being asked to try by Vietnamese Air Traffic Control though he refused to be named and said the connection was bad and was lost soon.

And while no one is commenting on a terror angle, with the shocking news that an Austrian and an Italian supposedly on board the flight were never on board, but had their passports stolen in South East Asia and someone used their passports to board this flight, no one is ruling it out either. Reports speak of a security failure at Kuala Lumpur since details of the Italian's passport were available on an Interpol database, but Malaysian authorities did not check it and hence the flyer on the stolen Italian passport was allowed to go through unhindered. A bomb might cause a sudden catastrophic structural failure leaving the crew no time to react or send a mayday call.

If this--and this is complete speculation at this stage--is what happened, it might be similar to what happened on 23 June 1985 to Air India Flight 182, a Boeing 747-200 named after Emperor Kanishka where a bomb placed by Sikh separatists blew up the aircraft at 31,000 feet off the Irish coast resulting in a loss of 329 lives. In the case of AI 182 and the 1988 bombing of PanAm 103 over Lockerbie the method used was similar with bags containing explosives and timers used for detonation. No passenger accompanied either bomb because back then airlines would fly with all passenger luggage if a passenger did not board. But now, in case of a no-show at the boarding gate, airlines remove the passenger's luggage, which means that anyone with similar intentions would have to be a suicide bomber. And since the traditional image we have of suicide bombers is with big vests laden with bombs, we often assume they would not get through airport security (even at airports with lax security), but small wearable bombs like shoe and underwear bombs using plastic explosives are increasingly worrying aviation security experts.

Al-Qaeda has made two failed attempts on scheduled passenger flights till date. On 22 December 2001, Richard Reid tried to set off a shoe bomb on American Airlines Flight 63 but his amateurish attempt failed thanks to alert co-passengers and crew who noticed smoke as he tried to set off the bomb. And on Christmas day in 2009, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian citizen concealed plastic explosives in his underwear and tried to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 but just like Reid failed to detonate the explosives properly, partially burnt himself, and was overpowered by co-passengers and crew.

In fact, a few weeks ago, US authorities issued an alert warning about shoe bombs, which came on the heels of another warning to airlines with direct flights to Russia that explosives hidden in toothpaste tubes could be used.


 And while there is absolutely no evidence now that anything of the sort has happened, if a wearable bomb carried by suicide bombers was indeed behind MH 370 going down, expect all hell to break loose and airport security getting far tighter than you ever thought possible.

 And finally, now that the aircraft is fairly certain to have gone down over the ocean, how soon till the wreckage is found?   There are no easy answers here, especially since no beacons seem to be emitting signals and the last known location of the flight is not completely clear.

 AF 447's wreckage with 104 more bodies was discovered nearly two years later after four massive search missions, involving everything from full ocean depth autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs) to French nuclear submarines. Thousands of square kilometres of sea floor were scanned. And while the South China Sea isn't as deep as the Atlantic, finding the wreckage may not be easy if the flight recorders which are fitted with water-activated acoustic underwater locator beacons or 'pingers' are not found soon since these beacons remain active only for around 30 days or so. Besides, the South China Sea is region with many maritime disputes. While all navies (Malaysia, Vietnam, Philippines, China, Singapore and the US Navy) are now co-operating in the search, weeks or months later, the bonhomie may not last in the face of the constant disputes in a volatile area.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #127 on: March 09, 2014, 05:56:33 am »
At this point, only three things make sense.

Bomb
Hijacking
Massive structural failure not due to one of the above
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #128 on: March 09, 2014, 06:00:39 am »
AUSTIN, Texas -- An Austin, Texas, technology company says 20 of its employees were aboard the Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing over the South China Sea.

Jacey Zuniga, a spokeswoman for Freescale Semiconductor, says 12 Malaysian and 8 Chinese employees are "confirmed passengers." She says no American citizen Freescale employees were on the flight.

"At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families," Gregg Lowe, president and CEO of Freescale says in a statement. "Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event." The company, the statement reads, has assembled a team of counselors for those impacted by the tragedy.

Flight MH370, a Boeing 777 airplane, was last seen on radar at 1:30 a.m. (1730 GMT Friday) above the waters where the South China sea.

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/20_employees_of_freescale_semi.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #129 on: March 09, 2014, 06:26:31 am »
How sure are people that this is really debris from an aircraft?  From this aircraft?

I seriously doubt it is.  The search aircraft, who would be at a lower altitude, would have seen it.

Also, the region is often blanketed with fishing boats.  Some people say that flying over it at night and looking down, it looks like a star lit sky there are so many boats down there, each one with a lantern on.

This could be a very large cluster of fishing boats.

Also, if the first two pictures were taken at the location the aircraft was according to the third, it was well outside the area where MH370 would be.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #130 on: March 09, 2014, 11:19:46 am »
To what end would someone intentionally do this?  I am incapable of understanding it.

To 'punish' infidels.  To instil fear.  To damage economies.  To "...make a difference".

It's not personal.   They hate everybody.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #131 on: March 09, 2014, 02:24:29 pm »
It comes down to the mechanics servicing the planes really.

There's no such thing as a minor emergency at 35,000 ft.

I can pull over to the side of the road and step out of a car.....

That has always been my reason as well.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #132 on: March 09, 2014, 02:40:58 pm »
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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Military radar indicates that the missing Boeing 777 jet may have turned back before vanishing

"We are trying to make sense of this," he told a media conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back and in some parts, this was corroborated by civilian radar."

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/09/air-force-chief-malaysia-jet-may-have-turned-back/20845957/

Is it me, or is it odd that they did not know this within hours after the crash/disappearance? Even if the civilian and military did not corroborate this until now... The civilian aspect of this had to know this nearly immediately and it seems common to report this in past cases immediately. But it *seems* they did not let it be known until after it comes out that FOUR had stolen passports?

As well as, is it in any way possible that the plane was blown into smithereens leaving not a trace behind?
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« Reply #133 on: March 09, 2014, 08:13:32 pm »
Is it me, or is it odd that they did not know this within hours after the crash/disappearance? Even if the civilian and military did not corroborate this until now... The civilian aspect of this had to know this nearly immediately and it seems common to report this in past cases immediately. But it *seems* they did not let it be known until after it comes out that FOUR had stolen passports?

As well as, is it in any way possible that the plane was blown into smithereens leaving not a trace behind?

There is always a delay in when the media reports something.  Once it was realized that the aircraft was missing, they would have started checking radar tapes at once.

And no, short of a nuke, there is no way to completely destroy an aircraft the size of a 777-200.  And a nuke would have been detected by numerous satellites and the flash would have been visible for hundreds of miles.
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« Reply #134 on: March 09, 2014, 08:16:48 pm »

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Vietnam says it may have found missing jet's door

Mar 9th 2014 6:06AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Vietnamese authorities searching waters for the missing Boeing 777 jetliner spotted an object Sunday that they suspected was one of the plane's doors, as international intelligence agencies joined the investigation into two passengers who boarded the aircraft with stolen passports.

More than a day and half after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 went missing, no confirmed debris from the plane had been found, and the final minutes before it disappeared remained a mystery. The plane, which was carrying 239 people, lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam after leaving Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning for Beijing.

The state-run Thanh Nien newspaper cited Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of Vietnam's army, as saying searchers in a low-flying plane had spotted an object suspected of being a door from the missing jet. It was found in waters about 90 kilometers (56 miles) south of Tho Chu island, in the same area where oil slicks were spotted Saturday.

"From this object, hopefully (we) will find the missing plane," Tuan said. Thanh Nien said two ships from the maritime police were heading to the site.

The missing plane apparently fell from the sky at cruising altitude in fine weather, and the pilots were either unable or had no time to send a distress signal - unusual circumstances under which a modern jetliner operated by a professional airline would crash.

Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said radar indicated that the plane may have turned back, but did not give further details on which direction it went or how far it veered off course.

"We are trying to make sense of this," Daud said at a news conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back, and in some parts this was corroborated by civilian radar."

Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said pilots are supposed to inform the airline and traffic control authorities if the plane does a U-turn. "From what we have, there was no such distress signal or distress call per se, so we are equally puzzled," he said.

Authorities were checking on the identities of the two passengers who boarded the plane with stolen passports. On Saturday, the foreign ministries in Italy and Austria said the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.

"I can confirm that we have the visuals of these two people on CCTV," Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference late Sunday, adding that the footage was being examined. "We have intelligence agencies, both local and international, on board."

Hishammuddin declined to give further details, saying it may jeopardize the investigation.

"Our focus now is to find the aircraft," he said, adding that finding the plane would make it easier for authorities to investigate any possible foul play.

Interpol confirmed that at least two stolen passports used by passengers on the plane were registered in its databases. It said no one had checked the databases, but added that most airlines and countries do not usually check for stolen passports.

Hishammuddin said only two passengers had used stolen passports, and that earlier reports that the identities of two others were under investigation were not true.

White House Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said the U.S. was looking into the stolen passports, but that investigators had reached no conclusions.

In addition to the plane's sudden disappearance, which experts say is consistent with a possible onboard explosion, the stolen passports have strengthened concerns about terrorism as a possible cause. Al-Qaida militants have used similar tactics to try and disguise their identities.

Still, other possible causes would seem just as likely at this stage, including a catastrophic failure of the plane's engines, extreme turbulence, or pilot error or even suicide. Establishing what happened with any certainty will need data from flight recorders and a detailed examination of any debris, something that will take months if not years.

European authorities on Saturday confirmed the names and nationalities of the two stolen passports: One was an Italian-issued document bearing the name Luigi Maraldi, the other Austrian under the name Christian Kozel. Police in Thailand said Maraldi's passport was stolen on the island of Phuket last July.

A telephone operator on a China-based KLM hotline on Sunday confirmed that "Maraldi" and "Kozel" were both booked to leave Beijing on a KLM flight to Amsterdam on March 8. Maraldi was then to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, on KLM on March 8, and Kozel to Frankfurt, Germany, on March 8.

She said since the pair booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines, she had no information on where they bought them.

Having onward reservations to Europe from Beijing would have meant the pair, as holders of EU passports, would not have needed visas for China.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/09/air-force-chief-malaysia-jet-may-have-turned-back/20845957/
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #135 on: March 09, 2014, 09:25:33 pm »
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Mid-air disintegration

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the preliminary investigations in Malaysia.

If the plane had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only on impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the investigation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-exclusive-probe-plane-idUSBREA280FF20140309
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #136 on: March 09, 2014, 09:30:59 pm »
Call me crazy, but an "entire" plane doesn't just dissentigrate in flight unless a bomb blew it up.... yes doors have been known to fall off, the top of the Hawaiian plane blew off, but an entire only 11-year-old plane just poof -- nope, not buying it,.
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« Reply #137 on: March 09, 2014, 09:37:00 pm »
Call me crazy, but an "entire" plane doesn't just dissentigrate in flight unless a bomb blew it up.... yes doors have been known to fall off, the top of the Hawaiian plane blew off, but an entire only 11-year-old plane just poof -- nope, not buying it,.

If there were multiple suicide bombers on board, it could.   Sitting in preplanned sections and a coordinated detonation.


....of course, we can't dismiss the possibility of an alien abduction by a mothership.  [/s]
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« Reply #138 on: March 09, 2014, 09:42:30 pm »
Call me crazy, but an "entire" plane doesn't just dissentigrate in flight unless a bomb blew it up.... yes doors have been known to fall off, the top of the Hawaiian plane blew off, but an entire only 11-year-old plane just poof -- nope, not buying it,.

I will bet the American FBI got there and the DOJ directed them. So the pansy PC Americans are directing them on the 'proper way' to not say it was blown to smithereenes.
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« Reply #139 on: March 09, 2014, 09:42:32 pm »
If there were multiple suicide bombers on board, it could.   Sitting in preplanned sections and a coordinated detonation.


....of course, we can't dismiss the possibility of an alien abduction by a mothership.  [/s]

Yes, and that is from bombs, not sudden and total structrual failure at 35,000 feet.  In fact I buy the shoe bomb scenario in this incident - especially with recent events in China and warnings of shoe bombers in Asia.  Also - this is reaching way back pre-911, but the people involved in the bombing in Oklahoma City learned the techniques in Asia (Indonesia if memory serves me right) and they were planing on blowing up planes in mid-air before they decided to fly them into the WTC and Pentagon instead.
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« Reply #140 on: March 09, 2014, 09:43:57 pm »
If there were multiple suicide bombers on board, it could.   Sitting in preplanned sections and a coordinated detonation.


....of course, we can't dismiss the possibility of an alien abduction by a mothership.  [/s]

The mother ship sucked them up her bottom and are now retrieving their passports because they need them to visit ValJar soon.
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« Reply #141 on: March 09, 2014, 09:50:13 pm »
Call me crazy, but an "entire" plane doesn't just dissentigrate in flight unless a bomb blew it up.... yes doors have been known to fall off, the top of the Hawaiian plane blew off, but an entire only 11-year-old plane just poof -- nope, not buying it,.

It could happen depending on what part failed.  If the wing box broke apart, the aircraft would disintegrate nearly instantly, although that is the one part which usually survives everything short of full speed, nose down impacts.  This is why the safest place to sit is directly over the wings.

And a cargo door opening in flight could tear an aircraft apart or at least completely disable the flight controls resulting in an almost instant loss of control and quickly a full nose down attitude.

As for Aloha 243, it was at a much lower altitude and speed than MH370 would have been.  Also, what tore away from 243 was nothing but skin.  The main structure is underneath and remained mostly intact which allowed the aircraft to survive.

With Pan Am 103, if the aircraft had been at a lower altitude and speed, it likely would have survived the explosion.  The damage to the fuselage coupled with the slipstream is what tore the aircraft apart.
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« Reply #142 on: March 09, 2014, 09:51:21 pm »
If there were multiple suicide bombers on board, it could.   Sitting in preplanned sections and a coordinated detonation.

One bomb in the right place is all it would take, depending on how powerful the explosive is and how much they're using.
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« Reply #143 on: March 09, 2014, 10:32:26 pm »
One bomb in the right place is all it would take, depending on how powerful the explosive is and how much they're using.

TWA 800 which exploded adjacent Long Island, NY, broke into two pieces. 

I realize this jet was traveling much faster and in a thinner atmosphere at 35K feet.  An explosion's force would be enhanced.

Just hope that nobody on board had time to realize what happened....and that they lost consciousness immediately.
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« Reply #144 on: March 09, 2014, 10:34:29 pm »
TWA 800 which exploded adjacent Long Island, NY, broke into two pieces. 

I realize this jet was traveling much faster and in a thinner atmosphere at 35K feet.  An explosion's force would be enhanced.

Just hope that nobody on board had time to realize what happened....and that they lost consciousness immediately.

800 was blown out of the air, though.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #145 on: March 09, 2014, 10:34:53 pm »
Have they found any confirmed wreckage beyond the oil slicks?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #146 on: March 09, 2014, 10:36:27 pm »
Have they found any confirmed wreckage beyond the oil slicks?

No. There is some reports that something was spotted floating in the area of the oil slicks and they are sending search vessels there.   It's around dawn there now so we should start to hear if this is anything of worth or another red herring.
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« Reply #147 on: March 09, 2014, 11:14:46 pm »
Please no TWA 800 debate.  You do not want to see my reaction when the conspiracy theories start flying.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #148 on: March 09, 2014, 11:15:12 pm »
Have they found any confirmed wreckage beyond the oil slicks?

No, and even the "oil" slicks are suspect.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #149 on: March 09, 2014, 11:15:20 pm »
Interesting analysis from BBC:
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Malaysia Airlines lost contact with flight MH370 for five hours before it confirmed the news. The slow pace of information forced Malaysians to turn to social media first - then ask the authorities to confirm speculation or reports that appeared online.

Among the many questions was how two passengers with fake European passports could have boarded flight MH370.

Over the past four years, I have travelled frequently through the same airport. As a Canadian passport holder I have to scan both index fingers before I enter the country but not when I leave. The biometric system was set up in 2011 to prevent foreigners from repeatedly coming in to work illegally and to curb human trafficking and wildlife smuggling.

Malaysian officials say they are working hard to answer questions. They have reminded people to avoid speculation, but it hasn't reassured distressed family members.
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Vietnamese navy planes have spotted what could be fragments from the missing Malaysia Airlines jet that disappeared almost two days ago.

Officials said it was too dark to be certain the objects were from Flight MH370, which had 239 people on board.

A multinational team is searching for wreckage and ships will try to confirm the find after dawn. ...
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