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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2014, 04:59:14 am »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html

Boeing 777 carrying 239 people lost over Vietnam: Jetliner feared crashed with four Americans on board 'after abrupt 650ft plunge'

    Passengers and crew from France, Australia and China among the missing
    Flight MH370 declared missing nearly 90 minutes after it was due to land

By Associated Press and Richard Shears

PUBLISHED: 19:56 EST, 7 March 2014 | UPDATED: 23:19 EST, 7 March 2014

A major search has been launched for a Malaysian Airlines jet with 239 people on board after it lost contact flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Airline officials admitted they were gravely concerned for the safety of the aircraft, which was carrying four Americans and seven Australians, as well as passengers from France and China.

Crying relatives of Chinese passengers on board the plane wept at Beijing airport as it became clear the jet had probably crashed.

An unconfirmed report on a flight tracking website said the aircraft had plunged 650ft and changed course shortly before all contact was lost.

The route would have taken flight MH370, a B777-200 aircraft, across the Malaysian mainland in a north-easterly direction and then across the Gulf of Thailand.
 
Those on board included two infants and 12 crew members, Malaysian Airlines said in a statement, adding it was working with all authorities in the region and search and rescue teams had been mobilized.

As well as the American and Australian passengers, the aircraft was carrying 153 Chinese, 38 Malaysians, 12 Indonesians and 32 people from France.

The aircraft had been due to land in Beijing at 6.30am local time but at 7.54am the airline issued a statement saying it had not landed and was officially missing.



Aviation experts said that if the report of the aircraft suddenly plunging was correct it could be due to a number of factors.

These include a catastrophic engine failure; the pilots taking evasive action to avoid another aircraft; or an explosion.

The airline has not said whether the pilots were able to issue a distress call - but if they did not, experts said this could indicate a catastrophy that had occurred without warning.

Malaysian Airlines said it would issue updates as soon as more information became available.

The aircraft had enough fuel on board for a seven-hour flight and the airline said that given the time it has been missing it would have already run out of fuel.

Fearing the worst, the airline has begun contacting relatives of the passengers warning them that the flight has not arrived and they should prepare themselves for bad news.

The Boeing jet lost contact with Malaysian air traffic controllers a little over two hours into its flight.

Reports from China's Xinhua news agency said later that the aircraft was lost in air space controlled by Vietnam and did not enter Chinese airspace or make any contact with Chinese controllers.

Vietnam is heavily shrouded in forest and there were no immediate reports coming from that country of an aircraft crashing.

Vietnamese authorites said they were investigating the aircraft's disappearance.

'Our team is currently calling the next of kin of passengers and crew,' the airline's chief executive, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, said as the airline issued a statement saying its 'thoughts and prayers' were with all those on board as well as their families.

Unconfirmed reports said it was believed the missing aircraft was involved in a crash in August 2012 when it damaged the tail of a China Eastern Airlines plane at Shanghai Pudong Airport.

The reports said that in that incident the tip of the wing of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 broke off.

Retired American Airlines captain Jim Tilmon told CNN that 'it doesn't sound very good,' as the search continued for the missing jet.

'The route is mostly overland, which means there would be plenty of radars and radios to contact the plane.

'I've been trying to come up with every scenario that I could just to explain this away, but I haven't been very successful.'

Mr Tilmon said the jet was 'about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be.'






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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2014, 05:00:48 am »
He must need to use the facilities??????

Needed to take a shower.
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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2014, 05:01:35 am »
A "650ft plunge" doesn't really mean much, especially coming from flight tracking websites.  Also, aircraft have plunged thousands of feet due to turbulence and survived.
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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2014, 05:03:57 am »
UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean.  According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

When contacted, Malaysia Airlines declined to confirm or deny the reports, saying that the Malaysian authorities are working together with the Vietnamese government on the matter.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html

Always wary of these reports, so take it with a grain of salt for now.
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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2014, 05:08:03 am »
Sky News is steaming live coverage.  All of the US networks are on reruns.

http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2014, 05:09:31 am »
UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean.  According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

When contacted, Malaysia Airlines declined to confirm or deny the reports, saying that the Malaysian authorities are working together with the Vietnamese government on the matter.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html

Always wary of these reports, so take it with a grain of salt for now.

Just speculating on my part - but with the recent train attack in China an attack on a plane carrying a lot of Chinese would not be out of the realm of possibility and if they were going to plan to blow the plane out of the sky the preference would be over water - right?????????
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« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2014, 05:15:11 am »
Just speculating on my part - but with the recent train attack in China an attack on a plane carrying a lot of Chinese would not be out of the realm of possibility and if they were going to plan to blow the plane out of the sky the preference would be over water - right?????????

Blowing up a plane over the ocean has historically been preferred by terrorists.

Pan Am 103 would have blown up over the Atlantic if it had not been delayed.  Air India Flight 182 blew up over the Irish Sea due to a bomb planted by the Sikh militant group Babbar Khalsa.  They also tried to bomb Air India Flight 301 from Tokyo on the same day, but the bomb went off prematurely and killed two Japanese baggage handlers.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2014, 05:18:38 am »
Blowing up a plane over the ocean has historically been preferred by terrorists.

Pan Am 103 would have blown up over the Atlantic if it had not been delayed.  Air India Flight 182 blew up over the Irish Sea due to a bomb planted by the Sikh militant group Babbar Khalsa.  They also tried to bomb Air India Flight 301 from Tokyo on the same day, but the bomb went off prematurely and killed two Japanese baggage handlers.

Would not surprise me if this is the case.

They recovered the black boxes for the French Airbus out of 10,000 feet. How deep is the China Sea in this area?  I don't imagine anywhere near 10,000 feet.
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« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2014, 05:52:54 am »
Would not surprise me if this is the case.

They recovered the black boxes for the French Airbus out of 10,000 feet. How deep is the China Sea in this area?  I don't imagine anywhere near 10,000 feet.

Not that deep.  The data recorders are designed to survive pretty much anything.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2014, 01:51:31 pm »
 Searchers Spot Oil Slicks in Search for Missing Malaysian Airliner

Saturday, 08 Mar 2014 08:09 AM

By Newsmax Wires

The Malaysian Airline plane that vanished from radar screens Friday during a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 aboard remained missing Saturday, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said.

Search operations midway between Malaysia and Vietnam's southern coast were being intensified for the aircraft carrying 239 passengers and crew, and Vietnamese air force planes reported spotting two large oil slicks off the southern tip of Vietnam that could indicate a crash.

Relatives of the 154 Chinese nationals on the flight gathered at a hotel in Beijing to await news, CNN reports.

Flight MH370 departed from the Malaysian capital about 12:40 a.m. local time and was scheduled to arrive in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., the airline said in statements today. A search is under way for the Boeing Co. 777-200 aircraft, the airline said. Passengers are from 13 countries, it said.

“We deeply regret that we have lost all contacts with flight MH370,” said Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, chief executive officer of Malaysian Airline System. “Our team is currently calling the next-of-kin of passengers and crew.”

China’s aviation authority said that the Malaysian flight hadn’t made contact, the Xinhua News Agency reported, citing the authority. The authority said that the flight-radar signal was lost with Ho Chi Minh City air control, Xinhua reported.

Faud Sharuji, vice-president of operations control for the airline, said that there was no idea where the aircraft was, CNN reported in an interview with the executive.

At least 158 passengers were Chinese, according to Xinhua.

“We’re closely monitoring reports on Malaysia flight MH370,” Chicago-based Boeing said in a statement on its Twitter feed. “Our thoughts are with everyone on board.”
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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2014, 02:32:18 pm »
UPDATE: Sr. State Dept. official confirms 3 Americans on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370; trying to determine if any others aboard. Meanwhile, the US 7th Fleet has sent the USS Pinckney and a P-3C aircraft to assist in search efforts for the missing airliner.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2014, 03:27:12 pm »

Vietnam spots oil slicks in hunt for missing jet
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By EILEEN NG and CHRIS BRUMMITT
2 hours ago
 
     
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Vietnamese air force planes on Saturday spotted two large oil slicks in the area where a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanished earlier in the day, the first sign that the aircraft carrying 239 people on board had crashed.

The air force planes were part of a multinational search operation launched after Flight MH370 fell off radar screens less than an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing early Saturday morning.

A Vietnamese government statement said the slicks were spotted late Saturday off the southern tip of Vietnam and were each between 10 kilometers (6 miles) and 15 kilometers (9 miles) long. There was no confirmation that the slicks were related to the missing plane, but the statement said they were consistent with the kinds that would be produced by the two fuel tanks of a crashed jetliner.

Two-thirds of the missing plane's passengers were from China, while others were from elsewhere in Asia, North America and Europe.

Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said there was no indication that the pilots had sent a distress signal, suggesting that whatever happened to the plane occurred quickly and possibly catastrophically.

At Beijing's airport, authorities posted a notice asking relatives and friends of passengers to gather at a nearby hotel to wait for further information, and provided a shuttle bus service. A woman wept aboard the bus while saying on a mobile phone, "They want us to go to the hotel. It cannot be good."

Relatives and friends of passengers were escorted into a private area at the Lido Hotel, and reporters were kept away. A man in a gray hooded sweatshirt later stormed out complaining about a lack of information. The man, who said he was a Beijing resident but declined to give his name, said he was anxious because his mother was on board the flight with a group of 10 tourists.

"We have been waiting for hours and there is still no verification," he said.

The plane was last detected on radar at 1:30 a.m. (1730 GMT Friday) around where the South China Sea meets the Gulf of Thailand, authorities in Malaysia and Vietnam said.

Lai Xuan Thanh, director of Vietnam's civil aviation authority, said air traffic officials in the country never made contact with the plane.

The plane "lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control," Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, said in a statement.

The South China Sea is a tense region with competing territorial claims that have led to several low-level conflicts, particularly between China and the Philippines. That antipathy briefly faded as China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia all sent ships and planes to the region.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said that Malaysia had dispatched 15 planes and nine ships to the area, and that the U.S. Navy was sending some planes as well. Singapore, China and Vietnam also were sending aircraft.

It's not uncommon for it to take several days to find the wreckage of aircraft floating on the ocean. Locating and then recovering the flight data recorders, vital to any investigation, can take months or even years.

"In times of emergencies like this, we have to show unity of efforts that transcends boundaries and issues," said Lt. Gen. Roy Deveraturda, commander of the Philippine military's Western Command.

Thanh said Malaysian, Singaporean and Vietnamese search officials were coordinating operations in an 11,200-square-kilometer (4,324-square-mile) area where the plane was last known to be. He said Vietnamese fishermen in the area were asked to report any suspected sign of the missing plane.

The air search was suspended for the night and was to resume Sunday morning, while the sea search was ongoing, the airline said.

The plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members, the airline said. It said there were 152 passengers from China, 38 from Malaysia, seven from Indonesia, six from Australia, five from India, three from the U.S., and others from Indonesia, France, New Zealand, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, Italy, Taiwan, the Netherlands and Austria.

In Kuala Lumpur, family members gathered at the airport, but were kept away from reporters.

"Our team is currently calling the next of kin of passengers and crew. Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," said Yahya, the airline CEO. "Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

Fuad Sharuji, Malaysia Airlines' vice president of operations control, told CNN that the plane was flying at an altitude of 35,000 feet (10,670 meters) and that the pilots had reported no problem with the aircraft.

Asked whether terrorism was suspected, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said authorities had "no information, but we are looking at all possibilities."

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record, as does the 777, which had not had a fatal crash in its 19-year history until an Asiana Airlines plane crashed in San Francisco in July 2013, killing three passengers, all teenagers from China. ...

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« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2014, 03:37:14 pm »
The 777 had not had a fatal crash in its 19-year history until an Asiana Airlines plane crashed in San Francisco in July 2013 and that was pilot error. Whatever happened had to be catastrophic because of the sudden communication loss. Anything else would have has some sort of radio contact with the ground.   
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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2014, 03:57:39 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Expecting the worst: Families await news of missing Malaysian airliner
By Mariano Castillo and Ralph Ellis, CNN
updated 10:23 AM EST, Sat March 8, 2014

(CNN) -- The search for a commercial jetliner that seemingly vanished without warning between Malaysia and Vietnam continued into the night as dark fell on Asia, officials said.

Nobody knows what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, other than air traffic controllers lost track of it not long after it left Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia, on its way to Beijing.

The families and loved ones of the 239 passengers and crew aboard expected the worst as they awaited any significant development.

The only clue so far is some "rubbish" and a liquid spotted floating in the search area. A Vietnamese plane made the discovery, but it was too early to tell whether it was related to the missing plane.

In the meantime, the search area is being expanded and efforts to locate the plane will continue overnight, said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of civil aviation in Malaysia.

The area of focus has been in the South China Sea, where the Malaysian airspace and Vietnamese airspace meet.

"We have no idea where this aircraft is right now," Malaysia Airlines Vice President of Operations Control Fuad Sharuji said on CNN's "AC360."

Bits and pieces of information have begun to form, but it remains unclear how they fit into the bigger picture, if at all.

For instance, after the airline released a manifest, Austria denied that one of its citizens was onboard the flight as the list stated. The Austrian citizen was safe and sound, and his passport had been stolen two years ago, Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss told CNN.

Similarly, Italy's foreign ministry confirmed that no Italians were onboard MH370, even though an Italian was listed on the manifest. Malaysian officials said they were aware of reports that the Italian's passport was also stolen, but had not confirmed it.

Malaysian authorities reiterated during a news conference that they are not ruling anything out regarding the missing aircraft.

China, Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia were conducting search and rescue operations south of Tho Chu island in the South China Sea, reported Xinhua, China's official news agency. Ships, helicopters and airplanes are being utilized.

Officials appeared resigned to accepting the worst outcome.

"I'd just like to say our thoughts and prayers are with the bereaved families," Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said during a news conference.

Grief, especially in China

More than half the passengers were Chinese nationals.

Relatives of the 154 Chinese nationals on board gathered Saturday at a hotel complex in the Lido district of Beijing as a large crowd of reporters gathered outside.

"My son was only 40 years old," one woman wailed as she was led inside. "My son, my son. What am I going to do?"

Family members were kept in a hotel conference room, where media outlets had no access. Most of the family members have so far refused to talk to reporters.

The Boeing 777-200 departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. and was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700 kilometer) trip. It never arrived.

The plane carried 227 passengers, including five children under five years old, and 12 crew members, the airline said. Air traffic control in Subang, in Malaysia, had last contact with the plane.

At the time of its disappearance, the Malaysia Airlines plane was carrying about 7.5 hours of fuel, an airline official said.

The passengers are of 14 nationalities, the airline said.

Among the passengers there were 154 people from China or Taiwan; 38 Malaysians, and three U.S. citizens.

The airline's website said the flight was piloted by a veteran.

Cap. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a 53-year-old Malaysian, has 18,365 total flying hours and joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981, the website said. The first officer is Fariq Ab.Hamid, 27, a Malaysian with a total of 2,763 flying hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.

Aviation experts weren't optimistic.

Pessimistic assessment

"It doesn't sound very good," retired American Airlines Capt. Jim Tilmon told CNN's "AC360." He noted that the route is mostly overland, which means that there would be plenty of antennae, radar and radios to contact the plane.

"I've been trying to come up with every scenario that I could just to explain this away, but I haven't been very successful."

He said the plane is "about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be," with an excellent safety record.

"The lack of communications suggests to me that something most unfortunate has happened," said Mary Schiavo, former inspector general of the U.S. Department of Transportation, in an interview with CNN International.

"But that, of course, does not mean that there are not many persons that need to be rescued and secured. There's still a very urgent need to find that plane and to render aid," she said.

An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 carrying 291 passengers struck a seawall at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013, killing three people and wounding dozens more. It's unknown if mechanical failure was involved.

Search under way

Several nations launched search and rescue efforts.

The Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) has deployed one aircraft and three ships in a search-and-rescue operation following the disappearance of the plane. The Malaysian government says its navy is cooperating with the Vietnamese navy.

China's Xinhua news agency says the Chinese Coast Guard is sending orders to its on-duty vessels nearby to set out to the water where the plane incident likely occurred.

Malaysia Airlines said it was working with the authorities who have activated their search and rescue team to locate the aircraft. The airline said the public can call +603 7884 1234 for further information.

Malaysia Airlines

Malaysia Airlines operates in Southeast Asia, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and on the route between Europe and Australasia.

It has 15 of the Boeing 777-200 planes in its fleet, CNN's Richard Quest reported.

Part of the company is in the private sector, but the government owns most of it.

Malayan Airways Limited began flying in 1937 as an air service between Penang and Singapore. A decade later, it began flying commercially as the national airline.

In 1963, when Malaysia was formed, the airline was renamed Malaysian Airlines Limited.

Within 20 years, it had grown from a single aircraft operator into a company with 2,400 employees and a fleet operator.

If this aircraft has crashed with a total loss, it would the deadliest aviation incident since November 2001 when an American Airlines Airbus A300 crashed in Belle Harbor, Queens, shortly after takeoff from JFK Airport. Killed were 265 people, including five people on the ground.
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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2014, 04:14:57 pm »
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For instance, after the airline released a manifest, Austria denied that one of its citizens was onboard the flight as the list stated. The Austrian citizen was safe and sound, and his passport had been stolen two years ago, Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss told CNN.

Similarly, Italy's foreign ministry confirmed that no Italians were onboard MH370, even though an Italian was listed on the manifest. Malaysian officials said they were aware of reports that the Italian's passport was also stolen, but had not confirmed it.

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« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2014, 04:15:44 pm »
The First Officer - Fariq Ab Hamid, a 27-year-old Malaysian


Not wanting to make accusations just because of someone's name, because it is far more likely he was trying to save the airplane - but history shows  that jihadist pilots do exist so it is something to consider. 
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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2014, 04:45:51 pm »
Not good.

RE: Austrian and Italian passports.  Indeed... not good.  This is now being widely reported. 
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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2014, 04:48:04 pm »
Rap posted the flight manifest of names but it is hard to read you can't enlarge the print.
In this part of the country there were probably a lot of Fariq Ab Hamid's on board. It sounds like a terrorists event. The sad thing is if a terrorist organization took credit only overseas press would report it.
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« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2014, 04:56:04 pm »
Rap posted the flight manifest of names but it is hard to read you can't enlarge the print.
In this part of the country there were probably a lot of Fariq Ab Hamid's on board. It sounds like a terrorists event. The sad thing is if a terrorist organization took credit only overseas press would report it.

Malaysia is 61% Muslim so having pilots with Muslim names is not unexpected.  Also, in the cases where pilots have intentionally crash an aircraft, the descent is seen on radar until the aircraft is too low to be detected.  This one simply vanished which means a catastrophic inflight break up.  The question is, what caused the break up.  The only thing a pilot could do would be to deploy the thrust reversers in flight, but I'm pretty sure there are safety systems to prevent this because it has happened by accident on earlier model of jets.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2014, 04:59:10 pm »
Malaysia is 61% Muslim so having pilots with Muslim names is not unexpected.  Also, in the cases where pilots have intentionally crash an aircraft, the descent is seen on radar until the aircraft is too low to be detected.  This one simply vanished which means a catastrophic inflight break up.  The question is, what caused the break up.  The only thing a pilot could do would be to deploy the thrust reversers in flight, but I'm pretty sure there are safety systems to prevent this because it has happened by accident on earlier model of jets.

Hate to say it but it sounds more and more like a detonation of the B word.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2014, 05:01:01 pm »
The aircraft was 9M-MRO, a 777-2H6(ER).  H6 is Boeing's customer code for Malaysia Airlines.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2014, 05:05:38 pm »
Hate to say it but it sounds more and more like a detonation of the B word.

Bomb or some kind of failure like China Airlines Flight 611 seems the most likely.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2014, 05:07:40 pm »
Bomb or some kind of failure like China Airlines Flight 611 seems the most likely.

An explosion would leave a debris field.  No debris field has been found, just two oil slicks.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2014, 05:10:13 pm »
I have a feeling this one will take awhile before we know anything definitive with respect to the cause.  The good news - if there is any - is that the folks most involved are not concerned about any US election cycle implications. 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2014, 05:12:53 pm »
An explosion would leave a debris field.  No debris field has been found, just two oil slicks.

Which could/should mean that there are TWO different object/pieces which hit the water.
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