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Trump appears increasingly likely to declare a national emergency to build his border wall if lawmakers don’t come to a deal soon.

 By ELIANA JOHNSON and BURGESS EVERETT
  | 01/09/2019 07:45 PM EST
 

Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.

Graham brought together a half dozen Republican senators Wednesday afternoon in a last-ditch attempt to resolve the three-week stalemate before President Donald Trump deploys an explosive emergency declaration to build his border wall. The Republican senators were joined mid-meeting by White House emissaries Jared Kushner and Shahira Knight, the president’s congressional liaison.

Democrats were not invited to participate in the meeting, which largely comprised of centrist Republicans, including Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Susan Collins (R-Maine). The participants emphasized that the discussions were preliminary in nature, but some of these senators are scheduled to meet Thursday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to continue the discussions, according to congressional sources.

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We cannot allow Lindsey Graham to undermine border security with his amnesty deals.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 10:19:33 AM »
I just wanted to mention that I work in the Manufacturing industry.  If you want an eye opener on the affects of 240% increase of illegal immigration go to Hispanics own website.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

This data that they have given should make all Americans uneasy.  For me specifically and my industry unauthorized immigrants in 2016 outnumbered Americans.  The data says 14% to 9%.  And don't think that white collar jobs are safe either.  Take a look.  What we are doing is replacing American workers with unauthorized (illegal aliens).  I think it is obvious the outcome.  More Americans on welfare, and not by choice. 

Liberals think we owe it to let all Hondurans in because of Hillary's mistakes there.  It is obvious to me by discussions that they think everyone in Honduras is deserving of asylum.  And they lie about the illegal immigration.  Saying that it is down when it is up for the fourth straight month.  240%

And given that hugely number I wonder how the increase in job market is going to keep up with a monthly increased rate of 240%?  That is illegal immigrant inflation.  Cannot be sustained.  This is an Emergency.  Don't delay President Trump.
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Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 12:13:34 PM »
@Chosen Daughter I don't know what its going to take to get people to realize and understand what is fully going on.  It looks like people aren't going to open their eyes till this country is fully integrated, our Republic is changed to a Socialist entity with Sharia laws in place.  Making allowances for any type of amnesty in any shape or form will do exactly what I just mentioned.
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Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 12:22:18 PM »
We cannot allow Lindsey Graham to undermine border security with his amnesty deals.

That's not what's happening here.   What undermines border security is the Dems' refusal to approve funding for it.   There are two ways to proceed forward.  One is to declare a national emergency and bypass Congress,  a move that is (it appears) Constitutionally dubious, and even disturbs some conservatives because the weapon could conceivably be used to circumvent the Constitution when the Presidency is held by a Democrat.    The second is to secure the needed funding by entering into a compromise with Democrats.   

It does not undermine border security to obtain the needed funds by, for example,  agreeing to normalize the Dreamers.    That's the nature of political horse-trading in normal times.   Yes, these aren't normal times,  and our own impulse to stick a shiv in the Democrats is at least as strong as the Dems' desire to stick a shiv in us.   But in the meantime - the border remains a sieve for criminals and drugs.   What's important to you?  Securing the border or scoring political points?     
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 12:26:12 PM »
@Chosen Daughter I don't know what its going to take to get people to realize and understand what is fully going on.  It looks like people aren't going to open their eyes till this country is fully integrated, our Republic is changed to a Socialist entity with Sharia laws in place.  Making allowances for any type of amnesty in any shape or form will do exactly what I just mentioned.

Respectfully, this is alarmist bullshit.   Normalizing the status of the "Dreamers" is not amnesty, and no, it won't cause the Republic to fall.   It will, perhaps, get us funding to construct an effective physical barrier at the border.   But I guess that's not what's important to you.   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 12:26:42 PM »
We cannot allow Lindsey Graham to undermine border security with his amnesty deals.


You won’t be able to completely pin it on Graham. Has everyone forgotten this from January 2018?


“I think my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with. I am very much reliant on the people in this room. I know most of the people on both sides, have a lot of respect for the people on both sides, and what I approve is going to be very much reliant on what the people in this room come to me with.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/01/09/donald-trump-promises-to-sign-daca-amnesty-bill-even-if-it-has-things-he-doesnt-like/
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 12:31:52 PM »
Respectfully, this is alarmist bullshit.   Normalizing the status of the "Dreamers" is not amnesty, and no, it won't cause the Republic to fall.   It will, perhaps, get us funding to construct an effective physical barrier at the border.   But I guess that's not what's important to you.   *****rollingeyes*****

What is B.S. is you don't understand the impact of giving 'normal' status to Dreamers ... it increases the DEM voting base.  That is what this is and has always been about.  Th DEMS don't give a damn about them, they only care that they are insured their vote.

Getting a wall built, stopping amnesty in any form, and not giving away the sovereignty of this country IS extremely important to me.  I've been fighting this fight for a very long time and to insinuate that I don't care is insulting!!  Kiss my grits Jazz!
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 12:40:10 PM »
What is B.S. is you don't understand the impact of giving 'normal' status to Dreamers ... it increases the DEM voting base.  That is what this is and has always been about.  Th DEMS don't give a damn about them, they only care that they are insured their vote.

Getting a wall built, stopping amnesty in any form, and not giving away the sovereignty of this country IS extremely important to me.  I've been fighting this fight for a very long time and to insinuate that I don't care is insulting!!  Kiss my grits Jazz!

"Fighting the fight" is meaningless.   Getting results is what counts.   We need funding for the wall.  If the price is normalizing the status of the "Dreamers", then why not accept that as a victory?    You seem to have this view that Hispanics are irredeemable Democrats.   That's simply bullshit.  Hispanic citizens are no more sympathetic to lawbreaking than anyone else.  Or maybe you simply believe that conservatism, economic growth, and U.S. sovereignty are concepts that only appeal to white folks.   

You're wrong.   I am confident that OUR values are the values of most who work hard and play by the rules.   
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2019, 12:49:29 PM »
Another danger, though, it should not happen because of the Senate, is what if the Dems take the House, Senate and Presidency. Then, they totally dictate the terms, say in 2024 or whenever.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 12:54:16 PM »
"Fighting the fight" is meaningless.   Getting results is what counts.   We need funding for the wall.  If the price is normalizing the status of the "Dreamers", then why not accept that as a victory?    You seem to have this view that Hispanics are irredeemable Democrats.   That's simply bullshit.  Hispanic citizens are no more sympathetic to lawbreaking than anyone else.  Or maybe you simply believe that conservatism, economic growth, and U.S. sovereignty are concepts that only appeal to white folks.   

You're wrong.   I am confident that OUR values are the values of most who work hard and play by the rules.

If the results mean that we lose the sovereignty of this country than the fight is NOT meaningless.  No result, bargain, compromise is worth losing our sovereignty and if you don't think that the DEMS primary goal of all of this is to increase their voting base you are absolutely WRONG.  Hispanic citizens are those that have come here legally.  I was not referring to them.  Granting amnesty to those here ILLEGALLY who have broken laws to get here would most certainly vote liberal; they are the party that gave them a free ride on the backs of hardworking Hispanic-U.S. citizens (your reference) and U.S. citizens in general.

Jazz, you are one of the most liberal closed-minded people that posts in here.  So your comments don't surprise me, but IF we don't get a wall and DACA and Dreamers are granted a free pass, you are going to be rudely awakened and quickly educated the hard way.
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2019, 01:13:48 PM »
The Rats will never agree to a DACA deal if it includes the border wall, immigration reform, ending chain migration, ending the visa lottery, and full mandatory implementation of e-verify.

From the Rats perspective why agree to anything. As long as we have open borders the vast majority of children of illegal aliens born in the USA will vote for Rats. In addition, motor voter laws also register illegals "by error" and a fair number of them "mistakenly" vote as well.

CA. is the fulfillment of the Rat plan, 30 years plus of open borders and a formerly red state is now solidly blue.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2019, 01:19:38 PM »
The Rats will never agree to a DACA deal if it includes the border wall, immigration reform, ending chain migration, ending the visa lottery, and full mandatory implementation of e-verify.

From the Rats perspective why agree to anything. As long as we have open borders the vast majority of children of illegal aliens born in the USA will vote for Rats. In addition, motor voter laws also register illegals "by error" and a fair number of them "mistakenly" vote as well.

CA. is the fulfillment of the Rat plan, 30 years plus of open borders and a formerly red state is now solidly blue.

I agree @bilo   The Rats have drawn a line in the sand.  No victory whatever for Trump and no bill that includes the wall will pass.

So, I see no advantage in offering them any kind of DACA compromise  because they will not compromise.

I'm beginning to think that Trump will have to declare a national emergency and I hope he does.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 01:24:34 PM »
I agree @bilo   The Rats have drawn a line in the sand.  No victory whatever for Trump and no bill that includes the wall will pass.

So, I see no advantage in offering them any kind of DACA compromise  because they will not compromise.

I'm beginning to think that Trump will have to declare a national emergency and I hope he does.

There should be rules already in place that allow a "National Security Emergency" directive to go immediately from obstructionist Commie judge to the Supreme Court in less than 30 days.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2019, 01:30:16 PM »
I agree @bilo   The Rats have drawn a line in the sand.  No victory whatever for Trump and no bill that includes the wall will pass.

So, I see no advantage in offering them any kind of DACA compromise  because they will not compromise.

I'm beginning to think that Trump will have to declare a national emergency and I hope he does.

The key is even after declaring the national emergency, until the lawsuits are settled, Trump needs to keep the shut down in effect. Otherwise, all leverage is lost. The Rats will tie up Trump in court for years and if he loses in 2020 forget any chance of getting a wall at our southern border.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2019, 01:37:59 PM »
I agree @bilo   The Rats have drawn a line in the sand.  No victory whatever for Trump and no bill that includes the wall will pass.

So, I see no advantage in offering them any kind of DACA compromise  because they will not compromise.

I'm beginning to think that Trump will have to declare a national emergency and I hope he does.

 :amen:  They don't want to give Trump anything because he is succeeding despite their manmade chaos.  This is the ultimate tug of war and the GOP and Trump MUST win.
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2019, 01:39:53 PM »
  So your comments don't surprise me, but IF we don't get a wall and DACA and Dreamers are granted a free pass, you are going to be rudely awakened and quickly educated the hard way.

If that were to happen, I'd be as upset as you are.   But the idea is to trade the wall for normalization of the Dreamers.   That is political horse-trading of the sort that goes on all the time in legislatures.    Indeed, for me that's the easiest deal in the world.   The Dreamers (those who've obeyed the law) can and should be normalized.  It's the right thing to do.   But, given the current political climate,  I have no objection to using the Dreamers as leverage to get the funds for the wall. 

But the Dems appear to have the same mindset as you - no compromise,  not one single solitary bone to the other side.  (Goes to show how much they really care about the Dreamers.)  In that case, then I hope President Trump declares a national emergency,  funds the wall from military appropriations, and re-opens the government.   Let the courts strike him down or uphold his exercise of executive authority.     
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2019, 01:39:59 PM »
There should be rules already in place that allow a "National Security Emergency" directive to go immediately from obstructionist Commie judge to the Supreme Court in less than 30 days.

I'm trying to understand why the commie judges can still stop this President in the first place.  Bammy and Holder did what they wanted even when Holder was ruled against.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 01:52:49 PM »
I'm trying to understand why the commie judges can still stop this President in the first place.  Bammy and Holder did what they wanted even when Holder was ruled against.

Not stated loudly and broadly enough. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 01:54:47 PM »
Even if the emergency declaration survived the court challenges and wall construction began immediately, some of you are not appreciating what a pyrrhic victory this will likely be.  At some point, the same maneuver will be invoked to address gun violence, single payer healthcare, or some other disastrous leftist cause. Look how the nuclear option on judges came back to haunt the left in just 4 years.
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 01:56:35 PM »
I'm trying to understand why the commie judges can still stop this President in the first place.  Bammy and Holder did what they wanted even when Holder was ruled against.


Just look to Jackson, after the SCOTUS ruled against him.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 02:03:14 PM »
Rush has said on today's show the likely scenario he has heard.

Trump, Nancy and Chuckie will agree to reopen the gov and Trump will sign with no money for the wall....the rats claim victory

Then at the same time Trump declares National Emergency to pay for the wall..Nancy and Chuck find a rat judge somewhere to stop it..ends up at SCOTUS months later...Trump's faithful declare victory

I will post this scenario when he has it up at his site
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 02:08:37 PM »

Rush: Conventional Wisdom: Trump Will Cave and Declare Emergency
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,347181.new.html#new
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2019, 02:22:54 PM »
Rush: Conventional Wisdom: Trump Will Cave and Declare Emergency
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,347181.new.html#new

Rush must have scanned the threads this morning just before airtime on the East.    :laugh:

Ten minutes prior, I posted that, just like Rush, I live in Realville, too!  The courts will tie actual construction up and eventually, the Dem majority will defund the project outright.

That said, I believe he will call upon the Army Corp of Engineers and the Navy Seebees.   

He means what he says.  And that is the ONLY thing, in the end, that will cut through the Leftist American Idol-cultural bullshit. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2019, 02:30:55 PM »
Rush has said on today's show the likely scenario he has heard.

Trump, Nancy and Chuckie will agree to reopen the gov and Trump will sign with no money for the wall....the rats claim victory

Then at the same time Trump declares National Emergency to pay for the wall..Nancy and Chuck find a rat judge somewhere to stop it..ends up at SCOTUS months later...Trump's faithful declare victory

I will post this scenario when he has it up at his site

Except the SCOTUS could always rule against him.  I don't ever count on Roberts and Ginsburg is still alive.
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Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2019, 03:14:31 PM »
Even if the emergency declaration survived the court challenges and wall construction began immediately, some of you are not appreciating what a pyrrhic victory this will likely be.  At some point, the same maneuver will be invoked to address gun violence, single payer healthcare, or some other disastrous leftist cause. Look how the nuclear option on judges came back to haunt the left in just 4 years.

You couldn't be more wrong.

The 1976 National Emergencies Act does provide a mechanism to stop abuse of this power. Congress can rebuke (nullify) the declaration with a simple majority vote.

It's not like the Rats haven't known about this law. obama used it numerous times.
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