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Offline LucasWhite

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That they are largely leftist is hardly a surprise - The largest population of Jews until very recent times, was found in New York City. They tend, as a people, to be city dwelling, and urban areas are almost always infected with liberalism.

That does not make them wrong on this subject.

And as to your major point - 'Holocaust-muzzle' laws are largely enacted as a knee-jerk reaction to a vile, intentional, and organized historical revisionism. Were it not for the Jews, even now, we would not remember - I guarantee it. And it is an important thing to remember clearly. Them that don't remember will do it again.

Not long past, the Catholic v. Protestant Irish kerfuffle spilled over into American politics and city life.
 
That is almost categorically false. Western academia and journalism almost invariably carry a pro-muslim bias, and that is being kind.

It has been a while, but what was 'clearly stated' in Mein Kampf has little to do with the truth. Hitler's organization was informed by ancient Germanic gods, and was deep in occult practices. To attempt to blunt the religious aspect of that war, is nothing short of a blatant denial of reality.

It is an interesting point about the urban vs. rural residence, and of course we can never prove what really causes so many of them to be liberal.  It seems to me that, in the US, they have latched on their special interest to many other special interests, in the form of the democratic party.

Yes, it does not necessarily make them wrong on all subjects, but as stated I feel that it is ethically wrong to try to punish other's opinions, which is why I am against such laws, and I am skeptical of any "truth" any such organizations put out.

I think it's quite a stretch to say that the Holocaust would be forgotten if not for the Holocaust-proclamation machinery operating constantly as it does.

The Washington Times, NY Times, CNN, and the like do have a pro-Muslim bias in many cases, when it is a matter of Muslims vs. Christians.  It's a way for them to oppose Christianity.  However it seems to me that nothing compares to their Jewish/Israel bias, as recently displayed in their response to the embassy move.  You have Fox that like many here supports Israel because they see it as an partner of Christianity.  Then you have the rest that like Israel because many of them are Jewish, or at least the ones pulling the strings are.  Atheists, fake Christians, and Jews, there are many.  As for true Christians, there are few.  I'm not saying that someone like the Fox contributors or you guys who support Israel are not true Christians, just that I think you should adjust your approach and acknowledge more often that we are playing their game when we support them easily or even blindly.  Examples: Nikki Haley, the guy who recently told Carlson that we should go to war "if you care about Israel" even though it doesn't benefit the US in any way.

The fact remains that Hitler clearly stated that he wanted to persecute Jews only based on race and not at all because of their religion.  Whether that is what was really in his heart, or the hearts of the ones who liquidated them, is a long-standing historical question.  The point is that whether or not the Jews are a race in terms of the classifications that you respect, they have been treated as a race before and continue to be treated as one at times even today.

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It is an interesting point about the urban vs. rural residence, and of course we can never prove what really causes so many of them to be liberal.  It seems to me that, in the US, they have latched on their special interest to many other special interests, in the form of the democratic party.

Yes, it does not necessarily make them wrong on all subjects, but as stated I feel that it is ethically wrong to try to punish other's opinions, which is why I am against such laws, and I am skeptical of any "truth" any such organizations put out.

I think it's quite a stretch to say that the Holocaust would be forgotten if not for the Holocaust-proclamation machinery operating constantly as it does.

The Washington Times, NY Times, CNN, and the like do have a pro-Muslim bias in many cases, when it is a matter of Muslims vs. Christians.  It's a way for them to oppose Christianity.  However it seems to me that nothing compares to their Jewish/Israel bias, as recently displayed in their response to the embassy move.  You have Fox that like many here supports Israel because they see it as an partner of Christianity.  Then you have the rest that like Israel because many of them are Jewish, or at least the ones pulling the strings are.  Atheists, fake Christians, and Jews, there are many.  As for true Christians, there are few.  I'm not saying that someone like the Fox contributors or you guys who support Israel are not true Christians, just that I think you should adjust your approach and acknowledge more often that we are playing their game when we support them easily or even blindly.  Examples: Nikki Haley, the guy who recently told Carlson that we should go to war "if you care about Israel" even though it doesn't benefit the US in any way.

The fact remains that Hitler clearly stated that he wanted to persecute Jews only based on race and not at all because of their religion.  Whether that is what was really in his heart, or the hearts of the ones who liquidated them, is a long-standing historical question.  The point is that whether or not the Jews are a race in terms of the classifications that you respect, they have been treated as a race before and continue to be treated as one at times even today.
When defining "race" in comparison to some arbitrary "Master Race", you can make up any parameters you want. Gypsies, Eastern Europeans (Slavic peoples), and others can be lumped in as "races" because what you are comparing them to is a set of arbitrary parameters, and with that as a basis, you can make up any race you want by just defining it as such.
Bottom line, anyone who did not fit with Hitler's arbitrarily defined "Master Race" was "untermensch", and to be used, abused, and eliminated at a whim. The Jews were one convenient target because they were a group isolated from the mainstream by their religion. Muslims were tolerated as a useful tool/ally of convenience. Virtually anyone not in league with the Party was a target of opportunity, much as the Enemies of the State in the Stalinist Soviet Union were. Even loyal people were caught up in the purges there, too.

You were either 'with them' or considered 'against them'. There is a reason that all or nothing mentality is so despised here.
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Do you think the people you see in the media, stumping for the exploitation of minorities and others, advocating for homosexuality (recall what happened in the Old Testament to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah), advocating for the slaughter of babies in the womb, are faithful followers of the Jewish Religion?
They may go through the motions, but their real God is evident, not in YHWH, but the self-serving doctrine they preach and the money they make from it.

This reminds me of the liberals' argument that goes, "Islam does not advocate terrorism.  Therefore, Muslims do not commit acts of terror because terrorists are not true Muslims".  Do I think that they are faithful followers of the Jewish religion?  No, and the religion when followed correctly is not an unethical one, but since the birth of Jesus, not enough to get one to heaven.

You have seen through their claims, and for that the individuals character should be noted, but the few hundreds of people who really control what ends up on your television should hardly be the metric by which you (or anyone else) judges groups consisting of millions of people who practice what those false prophets only lay claim to.

I am not judging the entire Jewish people, just the ones who are directly involved in the wrongs.  I think it is difficult to argue that there is a not disproportionate amount organized for these purposes (anti-free speech, war-mongering, etc) compared to other groups. A "few hundred" associated with the NY Times alone I suspect.

At least the Israeli people have an historical claim to the land they conquered long ago...
By all means, if you want to comment on the placement of Israel, or the migration of people there who feel more safe and that they have better prospects for prosperity there than they did where they were living (not so unlike the migration of immigrants from Northern Europe to the US as it grew, just the locals here didn't have bomb vests and artillery), then you would have to comment on the migration of any people to a specific area on the planet, because everyone, literally, has done it--and this nation is a shining example.

When the Europeans invaded the US, they were to such a great extent stronger than the natives, that they left no formidable enemies in their wake.  If they did, it would indeed have been their problem to deal with, and in that theoretical case they should not have pretended to be victims.  As for the ethics, yes, you could make a strong argument that it was just as wrong if not worse.  However, I do not think the method in which Israel was formed in 1948 should be called a shining example.  It was a crime of favoritism and wealth, and today it continues to cause problems.  They now of course want continued American lives to be given, as if giving them the state was not enough.

I would suggest the group for which you should reserve your enmity is not delineated along any racial or religious lines, but along philosophical ones.

It is certainly my belief that no one should have opposition along racial or religious lines, but philosophical, and it is clear that I do not.  You surely know that.  Now when a group of people show this enmity along racial and/or religious lines towards those like me who do not, I feel the need to bluntly call them out for it.  That is even if I believe they are/were God's chosen people.  Some of their descendants are clearly using their Jewishness for immoral purposes, through organizations formed around that Jewishness and not philosophical similarities.  I think if anyone in history could be reproached for forming a state within a state, because they would not let go of their religion/race denomination, it may very well be the Jews.  That is at least their reputation.

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This reminds me of the liberals' argument that goes, "Islam does not advocate terrorism.  Therefore, Muslims do not commit acts of terror because terrorists are not true Muslims".  Do I think that they are faithful followers of the Jewish religion?  No, and the religion when followed correctly is not an unethical one, but since the birth of Jesus, not enough to get one to heaven.

I am not judging the entire Jewish people, just the ones who are directly involved in the wrongs.  I think it is difficult to argue that there is a not disproportionate amount organized for these purposes (anti-free speech, war-mongering, etc) compared to other groups. A "few hundred" associated with the NY Times alone I suspect.

When the Europeans invaded the US, they were to such a great extent stronger than the natives, that they left no formidable enemies in their wake.  If they did, it would indeed have been their problem to deal with, and in that theoretical case they should not have pretended to be victims.  As for the ethics, yes, you could make a strong argument that it was just as wrong if not worse.  However, I do not think the method in which Israel was formed in 1948 should be called a shining example.  It was a crime of favoritism and wealth, and today it continues to cause problems.  They now of course want continued American lives to be given, as if giving them the state was not enough.

It is certainly my belief that no one should have opposition along racial or religious lines, but philosophical, and it is clear that I do not.  You surely know that.  Now when a group of people show this enmity along racial and/or religious lines towards those like me who do not, I feel the need to bluntly call them out for it.  That is even if I believe they are/were God's chosen people.  Some of their descendants are clearly using their Jewishness for immoral purposes, through organizations formed around that Jewishness and not philosophical similarities.  I think if anyone in history could be reproached for forming a state within a state, because they would not let go of their religion/race denomination, it may very well be the Jews.  That is at least their reputation.
You could point to Mexicans, Somalis, and other groups as well. Birds of a feather, and all that. While you might point to 1948, that was only the fulfilment of an earlier promise in a time when there was likely to be more sympathy toward such, if not support. Please note the date (1917) of the Balfour Declaration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration When the Middle East was partitioned, the absolute disregard, or perhaps absolute consideration, of tribal boundaries and ancestral homelands pretty much guaranteed that political units in the area would be in near constant states of internal turmoil due to tribal or other disputes. The most unified the region has been since the Ottomans has been in the efforts to oust Israel.

I don't deny the apparent clannishness in the Media, nor that much of that is given a Jewish face (partly to hide behind the anti-semitism defense against the liberal/socialist bent of the news media in the 70s and later), but will say that the angle of attack is not what religion these people identify as, but the philosophies they spew, and their intent to weaken or destroy American culture. It benefits Israel nothing if America falls to enemies within or without, because Israel will not be able to rely on the US for materiel nor assistance; the detente enforced by the threat of American intervention, or the American presence in the region onshore and off, will be lost. Because of that, I can't even say these people in the American Media are loyal to Israel, either, because a strong America benefits Israel--a weak America does not, but emboldens Israel's enemies.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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The coin inscriptions back then suggested that they were on the defense, but now they are aggressors in the media and in international politics.

Do Jews hide under your bed? 

Might want to check your closet a few times before you go to sleep to make sure no Joooo is hiding in their to steal your blood while you sleep.
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Jewish people are aggressors in the media and international politics?  I don't understand what that means.  Give some examples.

We also have a weather controlling machine.  But Adelson and Soros can never agree on what to set the thermostat.

Our trained sharks and vultures are top notch, though.
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Our trained sharks and vultures are top notch, though.

It's the nano tracking devices in pork meat that are truly insidious...
Once you guys turn the system on, no pork-eater will be able to buy Jewish Deli ever again!

DEM JOOOOS!

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It doesn't matter the histories, the timelines. the commentaries of/or either or the OT. The OT is demonology. Half truth, half the other truth.

The reset.

"What do you want with us, Son of God?' they shouted. 'Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?'

The "jews" are still shouting the same.

And persist yourselves with that same shout.

Fight against the Spirit you are both born with and bourne with.

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Do Jews hide under your bed? 

Might want to check your closet a few times before you go to sleep to make sure no Joooo is hiding in their to steal your blood while you sleep.

@Jewbacca

I don’t know if dem Jooos are under their beds, although I bet if you jumped out from behind a door with your yarmulke on, they might scream. 

I do know that a couple of posters with...interesting...views seem to have climbed out from under their rocks.   

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I don’t know if dem Jooos are under their beds, although I bet if you jumped out from behind a door with your yarmulke on, they might scream. 

I do know that a couple of posters with...interesting...views seem to have climbed out from under their rocks.

Given my screen name is my real life nickname ---- I'm rather hirsute and ~6'5" (I'd have to convert from cm) and a weight lifter --- I kind of scare people with or without a kippah.
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