Trump: There is no such thing as ObamaCare anymore

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Trump: There is no such thing as ObamaCare anymore
By Rebecca Savransky - 10/16/17 12:58 PM EDT

President Trump on Monday blasted ObamaCare, saying it is "dead" and "finished."

"ObamaCare is finished. It's dead. It's gone," Trump said during a Cabinet meeting.

"You shouldn't even mention it, it's gone. There is no such thing as ObamaCare anymore. It is a — and I said this years ago — it's a concept that couldn't have worked."

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[musiclady]

It is a — and I said this years ago — it's a concept that couldn't have worked."

Was this before or after he said that the government should take care of everyone's healthcare costs?

[txradioguy]

Was this before or after he said that the government should take care of everyone's healthcare costs?

Shhhh you aren't supposed to remember those things.

[libertybele]

Was this before or after he said that the government should take care of everyone's healthcare costs?

He's dismantling Bammycare without the help of Congress; McConnell and cronies are probably seething.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Now he'll get the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with healthcare.

[libertybele]

Now he'll get the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with healthcare.

...Regardless of what he does on anything he'll get the blame; good or bad. The DEMS and the MSM will never report Trump in a positive light.

[XenaLee]

He's dismantling Bammycare without the help of Congress; McConnell and cronies are probably seething.

Let em seethe.   With any luck, it might end up being a "life-altering" experience for Mitch, da #itch.  Hope springs....

[XenaLee]

Now he'll get the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with healthcare.

He was already going to get (all) the blame.   But at least he's not gutless enough to CARE.  Gotta give him props for that.

[Suppressed]

He was already going to get (all) the blame.   But at least he's not gutless enough to CARE.  Gotta give him props for that.

You actually think he doesn't care?

So if they start blaming him for everything, he'll just let it run off and won't respond?!

[bilo]

Was this before or after he said that the government should take care of everyone's healthcare costs?

Lets be happy when he does something we wanted done. Now we'll see what Congress does. Do they pass legislation giving insurance companies subsidies, or do they actually move ahead with real reforms. If not is Pres. Trump's next move cutting off their subsidies as small business's?

[bilo]

He was already going to get (all) the blame.   But at least he's not gutless enough to CARE.  Gotta give him props for that.

I'm with you!

One of the things I do like with Pres. Trump is he doesn't quit.

[ArneFufkin]

Now he'll get the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with healthcare.

Health care in the United States has never been better.

Health insurance is a disaster now. The insurance economics were always hamstrung by silly big-gov regulations but absolutely obliterated with the ACA.  The insurance market needs to be reinvigorated and put to market challenge.

A typical gunshot wound in Chicago requires around $55K in billable treatment.  I don't think the homeboys are paying their Obamacare premiums or 1040 surcharge tax.   Most of all medical spending happens for patients who are at the end ... the last 10% - of their life.  We need to make allowances for that reality and continue to fund that imperative.   But, if you give some young guy an option only between paying $300 a month for care he likely doesn't need (unless he slides in softball) or 5% of his income as a penalty ... he's going to take the penalty.   He'd have to be making $72K a year to make the penalty tradeoff more onerous than paying $3600 a year in premiums with a $5K deductible for medical care that he will likely never need.

[libertybele]

Let em seethe.   With any luck, it might end up being a "life-altering" experience for Mitch, da #itch.  Hope springs....

Hoping Mitch is shown the door sooner than later and McCain's days our limited.  I have hopes that the Senate will soon be in a much better place.

[RoosGirl]

So I will no longer be penalized for not having health insurance??

[aligncare]

Health care in the United States has never been better.

Health insurance is a disaster now. The insurance economics were always hamstrung by silly big-gov regulations but absolutely obliterated with the ACA.  The insurance market needs to be reinvigorated and put to market challenge.

A typical gunshot wound in Chicago requires around $55K in billable treatment.  I don't think the homeboys are paying their Obamacare premiums or 1040 surcharge tax.   Most of all medical spending happens for patients who are at the end ... the last 10% - of their life.  We need to make allowances for that reality and continue to fund that imperative.   But, if you give some young guy an option only between paying $300 a month for care he likely doesn't need (unless he slides in softball) or 5% of his income as a penalty ... he's going to take the penalty.   He'd have to be making $72K a year to make the penalty tradeoff more onerous than paying $3600 a year in premiums with a $5K deductible for medical care that he will likely never need.

Incisive analysis. I’m with you, Arne.

[DiogenesLamp]

Health care in the United States has never been better.

Health insurance is a disaster now. The insurance economics were always hamstrung by silly big-gov regulations but absolutely obliterated with the ACA.  The insurance market needs to be reinvigorated and put to market challenge.

A typical gunshot wound in Chicago requires around $55K in billable treatment.  I don't think the homeboys are paying their Obamacare premiums or 1040 surcharge tax.   Most of all medical spending happens for patients who are at the end ... the last 10% - of their life.  We need to make allowances for that reality and continue to fund that imperative.   But, if you give some young guy an option only between paying $300 a month for care he likely doesn't need (unless he slides in softball) or 5% of his income as a penalty ... he's going to take the penalty.   He'd have to be making $72K a year to make the penalty tradeoff more onerous than paying $3600 a year in premiums with a $5K deductible for medical care that he will likely never need.

The problem with health care is insurance.   When someone else is paying the bill,  there is no incentive to hold down the costs.   Also the state forcing unfunded mandates on medical care providers such as those Chicago Gunshot victims you mentioned earlier (probably none of which will be paying those bills)   is another problem.   


I will point out that every medical procedure that is not normally covered by insurance is getting cheaper.  (such as eye surgery)   Insurance is a large part of what is wrong with the system. 

[ArneFufkin]

The problem with health care is insurance.   When someone else is paying the bill,  there is no incentive to hold down the costs.   Also the state forcing unfunded mandates on medical care providers such as those Chicago Gunshot victims you mentioned earlier (probably none of which will be paying those bills)   is another problem.   


I will point out that every medical procedure that is not normally covered by insurance is getting cheaper.  (such as eye surgery)   Insurance is a large part of what is wrong with the system.

The informative story is about procedures that were never covered by insurance.

Lasix treatment.  Never covered by "insurance".

That's where the market worked.  It used to be $2 grand.  In the day.  Now? $450 or so?  Market.

Some of us "oldsters" were born by doctors who performed our birth on credit.  Parents payed off a birth monthly for a few years.   That's old school medical care.   You have a problem?  Go to the doctor or hospital and most everyone was known and employed and worthy of credit or charity.

Charity has been defiled and disempowered by the Left, and specifically Obama.   I always throw paper into the bowl at church.  Just because ....   

We're the most generous humans in history.  Nobody close.

[DB]

By saying Obamacare is gone he's saying it is Trumpcare now because it is "gone" solely due to his own actions.

And by doing so he's going to get all the credit for what follows...

Seems pretty stupid to me.

[RoosGirl]

My question has been up for 6 hours and no one has answered.  Does this mean I will no longer be penalized for not having health insurance?  Can I use Trump's statement as a defense if I am penalized?

[musiclady]

He's dismantling Bammycare without the help of Congress; McConnell and cronies are probably seething.

The fact that he has no Constitutional right to do so doesn't bother you??

[aligncare]

The informative story is about procedures that were never covered by insurance.

Lasix treatment.  Never covered by "insurance".

That's where the market worked.  It used to be $2 grand.  In the day.  Now? $450 or so?  Market.

Some of us "oldsters" were born by doctors who performed our birth on credit.  Parents payed off a birth monthly for a few years.   That's old school medical care.   You have a problem?  Go to the doctor or hospital and most everyone was known and employed and worthy of credit or charity.

Charity has been defiled and disempowered by the Left, and specifically Obama.   I always throw paper into the bowl at church.  Just because ....   

We're the most generous humans in history.  Nobody close.

I’ve seen first hand in my practice how over the years health insurance has cheapened the value of my health care services—not the costs, but the perceived value.

Exchange of money for goods or services is how we place value on things. Want that new iPhone? you gladly pay for the perceived upgraded value. If someone has to reach into their wallet for a purchase, they “get” it, that service or product has value. Remove healthcare from that system and it’s value is diminished.

So, when I recommend a course of treatment, if it’s not covered by insurance, that patient will often decline. Insurance in essence has cheapened my professional opinion.

[DiogenesLamp]

The fact that he has no Constitutional right to do so doesn't bother you??

We went through the looking glass with Obama.   Trump using his executive orders to undo the illegal executive orders of Obama seems perfectly reasonable to me.   

If they are extra legal,  at least they are symmetrical in cause and result. 

[Suppressed]

So, when I recommend a course of treatment, if it’s not covered by insurance, that patient will often decline. Insurance in essence has cheapened my professional opinion.

No.

They are making a cost-benefit analysis based on what the costs will be to them.

For example, I've received ridiculous dental recommendations, and have come to wonder whether any dentist out there has any clue about cost-benefit analyses (and I say this with a personal friend who's a dentist, though I've never gone to him nor talked the subject).  They all seem like their vision is distorted by their own finances.
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[DiogenesLamp]

My question has been up for 6 hours and no one has answered.

We're ignoring you.  :)

[DiogenesLamp]

No.

They are making a cost-benefit analysis based on what the costs will be to them.

For example, I've received ridiculous dental recommendations, and have come to wonder whether any dentist out there has any clue about cost-benefit analyses (and I say this with a personal friend who's a dentist, though I've never gone to him nor talked the subject).  They all seem like their vision is distorted by their own finances.
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Now you are touching on something I harp about constantly.   It seems nobody has a grasp of the concept "cost vs benefit"  anymore.   


Especially people who spend government money.