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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2014, 03:05:15 am »
The BBC reported that the aircraft lost contact with Ho Chi Minh City Air Traffic Control at 01:20am local time.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2014, 03:08:31 am »
It veered off it's path, made a 600 foot drop and then disappeared from sight.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2014, 03:54:48 am »
BOEING 777 GOES MISSING OVER VIETNAMESE AIRSPACE

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane en route to Beijing with 239 aboard - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-en-route-to-beijing-with-239-aboard/



Still nothing really new.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2014, 04:00:54 am »
4 Americans on board, 3 adults and 1 American.

Fox and CNN did not cover the press conference, like they said they would do.

The captain is 53, has been flying the Malaysia Airlines since 1981, and has over 18,000 hours of flying experience.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2014, 04:09:10 am »
It has to be something nefarious to not hear anything at this point. Usually they confirm crashes quickly.

WAIT BREAKING NEWS ON THIS
Vietnam says missing Malaysian plane's signal detected - Xinhua | English.news.cn
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-03/08/c_133170651.htm
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2014, 04:10:37 am »
It has to be something nefarious to not hear anything at this point. Usually they confirm crashes quickly.

WAIT BREAKING NEWS ON THIS
Vietnam says missing Malaysian plane's signal detected - Xinhua | English.news.cn
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-03/08/c_133170651.htm

That's been denied.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-missing-vietnam-idUSL3N0M505Z20140308
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2014, 04:12:16 am »
That's been denied.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-missing-vietnam-idUSL3N0M505Z20140308

Wow.how.sad

The news just broke from that site 6 minutes ago so I thought it was new.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2014, 04:13:45 am »
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-jet-vanishes-three-americans-plus-one-infant-board-n47516


Malaysia Jet Vanishes: Three Americans Plus One Infant On Board
By M. Alex Johnson

A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people — including four Americans — lost contact with air traffic control and was missing hours after it was supposed to have landed in Beijing, the airline said Saturday.

The airline told NBC News that a search-and-rescue mission was under way for Flight MH370, a Boeing 777-200, and that relatives of those on board were being notified.

The flight from Kuala Lumpur, carrying 227 passengers from 14 countries — including two infants — and 12 crew members, had been scheduled to land at 6:30 a.m. in Beijing (5:30 p.m. ET Friday). But Subang Air Traffic Control in Malaysia reported that it lost contact at 2:40 a.m. (1:40 p.m. ET Friday).

Most of the passengers — 153, including one of the infants — were Chinese, the airline said Saturday. The other infant was an American, one of four on the plane, it said. Thirty-eight people were from Malaysia, and 12 were from Indonesia.

Four Americans Aboard Missing Flight

The airline identified the pilot as Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, a 23-year veteran of the airline with 18,365 hours of flight experience. The first officer, Fariq Hamid, 27, joined the airlines in 2007 and had 2,763 hours of flight time.

The plane disappeared about two hours into its flight, when it would have been over Vietnamese airspace. The official Chinese news agency Xinhua said the plane never entered Chinese airspace.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members," the airline said.

Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's defense minister and acting transport minister, took to Twitter to say echo the sentiment, saying he was "shocked."

Boeing told CNBC it was aware of the report and was monitoring the situation.

Michael Palmer, a meteorologist for The Weather Channel, said there were no significant weather conditions in the area.

"It's pretty much clear skies" from Kuala Lampur to Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia, Palmer said.

The 777-200 is considered one of the safest aircraft in the world. U.S. aviation records show fewer than 60 incidents, most of them minor, since it made its debut in 1995.

The jet's fire-resistant interior and strong seats were credited with limiting casualties in July when another 777-200, this one operated by Asiana Airlines, crashed at the San Francisco airport. Only two of the 307 people aboard were killed.

Catherine Chomiak, Tracy Connor and Sossy Dombourian of NBC News contributed to this report.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2014, 04:14:41 am »
That's been noted as a real problem after the Asiana crash in SFO.

However, it is not the first time that pilot error has been related to technology.  The first generation of jets had issues with pilots NOT replying on their electronics and trying to fly "by the seat of their pants."  A 707 or DC-8 handles a lot differently than a DC-7 or Boeing 377.

And John Scott is a moron.  Saying that if a door or window blows out, everyone dies instantly.  That is complete and utter bunk.  Look at the story of United Airlines Flight 811.

Or Aloha Airlines Flight 243, in which the only fatality was a very unfortunate flight attendant.  Even though the front half of the roof tore off at 24,000 feet (a little more than 4 miles above the ground).
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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2014, 04:17:14 am »
Just for the record, because I am an aviation geek, the 777-200IGW was renamed the -200ER about 15 years ago.

If this aircraft has been destroyed, it will be the fourth 777 hull loss.

Lots of conflicting information about flight track, registration, etc.

Is that you in Myst's picture with the honking big lens hanging off his right side?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2014, 04:18:48 am »

Boeing 777 carrying 239 people vanishes over Vietnam 'after abruptly plunging 650ft' two hours after take-off amid fears of crash

-Four Americans and seven Australians among the missing on flight MH370
-Flight declared missing nearly 90 minutes after it was due to land





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2014, 04:23:16 am »
It has to be something nefarious to not hear anything at this point. Usually they confirm crashes quickly.

Very possible, but no where near a certainty.

Terrorism: Bomb or hijacking (crash on purpose or during a struggle)
Criminal Act: Bomb to kill a passenger(s), sabotage for some reason, or crashed by a member of the crew
Complete structural failure (highly unlikely), however, this aircraft was damaged a few years ago during a ground collision with an Airbus A340 and lost the end of the right wing.  However, the damage was no where near enough to cause a complete failure of the wing or aircraft and had long since been repaired.  Aircraft have taken far worse damage, been repaired, and flown safely to the end of their careers.  (See United Airlines Flight 811.)  However, no or very poor maintenance can lead to structural failure. (See Aloha Airlines Flight 243 and China Airlines Flight 611.)
Pilot error, likely compounded or started by equipment failure (See Air France 447)
Mechanical failure such as a cargo door opening in flight (See Turkish Airlines Flight 981 and United Airlines Flight 811 for examples.)
Mid-Air Collision: Has happened plenty of times.  (Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 / DHL Flight 611, Saudia Flight 763 / Kazakhstan Airlines Flight 1907, Luftwaffe Tu-154 / USAF C-141)  The last one occurred over the middle of the South Atlantic, what are the odds of that?
Military exercise gone wrong?  Could Vietnam have misfired a SAM (Patriot Missile type, not a Stinger) and committed a major foul up?  Not likely, but possible.
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2014, 04:24:18 am »
Very possible, but no where near a certainty.

Terrorism: Bomb or hijacking (crash on purpose or during a struggle)
Criminal Act: Bomb to kill a passenger(s), sabotage for some reason, or crashed by a member of the crew
Complete structural failure (highly unlikely), however, this aircraft was damaged a few years ago during a ground collision with an Airbus A340 and lost the end of the right wing.  However, the damage was no where near enough to cause a complete failure of the wing or aircraft and had long since been repaired.  Aircraft have taken far worse damage, been repaired, and flown safely to the end of their careers.  (See United Airlines Flight 811.)  However, no or very poor maintenance can lead to structural failure. (See Aloha Airlines Flight 243 and China Airlines Flight 611.)
Pilot error, likely compounded or started by equipment failure (See Air France 447)
Mechanical failure such as a cargo door opening in flight (See Turkish Airlines Flight 981 and United Airlines Flight 811 for examples.)
Mid-Air Collision: Has happened plenty of times.  (Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 / DHL Flight 611, Saudia Flight 763 / Kazakhstan Airlines Flight 1907, Luftwaffe Tu-154 / USAF C-141)  The last one occurred over the middle of the South Atlantic, what are the odds of that?
Military exercise gone wrong?  Could Vietnam have misfired a SAM (Patriot Missile type, not a Stinger) and committed a major foul up?  Not likely, but possible.

What about a failure of the flight control systems?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2014, 04:24:41 am »
Is that you in Myst's picture with the honking big lens hanging off his right side?

Nah, not me.  I only have 1 camera and its a Canon.  The one around his neck is a Nikon.  I've never seen a Malaysia Airlines aircraft except maybe in Hawaii in 1993 and/or 94.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2014, 04:25:17 am »
Very possible, but no where near a certainty.

Terrorism: Bomb or hijacking (crash on purpose or during a struggle)
Criminal Act: Bomb to kill a passenger(s), sabotage for some reason, or crashed by a member of the crew
Complete structural failure (highly unlikely), however, this aircraft was damaged a few years ago during a ground collision with an Airbus A340 and lost the end of the right wing.  However, the damage was no where near enough to cause a complete failure of the wing or aircraft and had long since been repaired.  Aircraft have taken far worse damage, been repaired, and flown safely to the end of their careers.  (See United Airlines Flight 811.)  However, no or very poor maintenance can lead to structural failure. (See Aloha Airlines Flight 243 and China Airlines Flight 611.)
Pilot error, likely compounded or started by equipment failure (See Air France 447)
Mechanical failure such as a cargo door opening in flight (See Turkish Airlines Flight 981 and United Airlines Flight 811 for examples.)
Mid-Air Collision: Has happened plenty of times.  (Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 / DHL Flight 611, Saudia Flight 763 / Kazakhstan Airlines Flight 1907, Luftwaffe Tu-154 / USAF C-141)  The last one occurred over the middle of the South Atlantic, what are the odds of that?
Military exercise gone wrong?  Could Vietnam have misfired a SAM (Patriot Missile type, not a Stinger) and committed a major foul up?  Not likely, but possible.

At this point all we know is it made a swift altitude change before it disappeared.  Could have been avoiding another plane... did you hear Jon Scott say this was the area where a Chinese fighter jet "accidentally" engaged another plane some years ago over an island in the same general area?
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2014, 04:28:22 am »
What about a failure of the flight control systems?

That would be under mechanical failure.  The Boeing 777 is fly-by-wire with enough mechanical backups to maintain enough control to get the aircraft down safely.  The flight control computers (IIRC there are 3) are independent of one another (to the point where one failing will not take out the other two) and each is built by different manufacturers with none sharing an identical component.  This way, it is impossible for all three to fail because a shared component has a design flaw.  If one goes stupid, the pilot can simply turn it off, or if it won't turn off, pull the breaking and cut the power.  Unlike the Airbus, he can do this from the cockpit without leaving his seat.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2014, 04:28:57 am »
Mechanical failure scares the crap out of me as I was on a domestic 737 in the 90's and the right engine fell into someones back yard, so the pilot said, after we landed. He was ex-military or I would not be typing this. It was very frightening I will never forget the drop down. Helpless feelings, no control over a fearful thing is AWFUL.
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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2014, 04:29:45 am »
At this point all we know is it made a swift altitude change before it disappeared.  Could have been avoiding another plane... did you hear Jon Scott say this was the area where a Chinese fighter jet "accidentally" engaged another plane some years ago over an island in the same general area?

Yeah, I heard that when Scott was babbling.  Remember, he was hot dogging because it was a US military aircraft in the area.  Not a uncommon thing for pilots of any nation to do.  The Soviets used to do it to us, and we did it to them.  Every now and then one side or the other would get to close and bump the other.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2014, 04:30:18 am »
Mechanical failure scares the crap out of me as I was on a domestic 737 in the 90's and the right engine fell into someones back yard, so the pilot said, after we landed. He was ex-military or I would not be typing this. It was very frightening I will never forget the drop down. Helpless feelings, no control over a fearful thing is AWFUL.

Yep.. know from my own almost crash you have a LOT of time to think at 32,000 feet...
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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2014, 04:32:31 am »
Mechanical failure scares the crap out of me as I was on a domestic 737 in the 90's and the right engine fell into someones back yard, so the pilot said, after we landed. He was ex-military or I would not be typing this. It was very frightening I will never forget the drop down. Helpless feelings, no control over a fearful thing is AWFUL.

Nearly all crashes today are either pilot error, weather, or terrorism/criminal act.  While mechanical failure can compound the first two, it is rarely the only cause.

NTSB investigators like to say that a crash is like a chain.  It is caused by numerous things happening together which under normal circumstances, one or two alone would cause no problems.  Hook them all together is when disaster happens.  Remove just one link, and no disaster.
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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2014, 04:36:05 am »
Back in 20.
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2014, 04:37:53 am »
Back in 20.

seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, centuries, millenia, aeons?  :silly:

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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2014, 04:41:09 am »
He must need to use the facilities??????
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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2014, 04:43:06 am »
He must need to use the facilities??????

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2014, 04:47:40 am »
Sad picture

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Beijing International Airport has published a list of passengers onboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. pic.twitter.com/hV5zy69c9E

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