Senate to vote on $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill this week

[catfish1957]

Get ready for the new numeric term of our debt future....  "Quadrillions"

[berdie]

Get ready for the new numeric term of our debt future....  "Quadrillions"

So true. Today we are so acclimated to trillions...we don't blink an eye at billions. What comes after quadrillions...(rhetorical)

[christian]

You supported far worse with more years of Obama/Biden and all the chaos we as a nation are now being subjected to.  man up, the consequences go with YOU getting your way.

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I walked off years ago and don't have a damn thing to do with any of it

christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper.  That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.

[roamer_1]

You supported far worse with more years of Obama/Biden and all the chaos we as a nation are now being subjected to.  man up, the consequences go with YOU getting your way.

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I walked off years ago and don't have a damn thing to do with any of it

christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper.  That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.

Nah. I refuse to support a party that neither supports Conservatism nor has it given a single win to Conservatism in my entire life. In the mean time, Democrats advance liberalism year after year. The reality is, y'all don't do sh*t,  and never have. As the official purported home to Conservatism and declared opposition party to liberalism, y'all actually do neither.

That liberalism is winning is precisely and only because it has no opposition.
Opposition. That's supposed to be y'all. And you SUCK at it.

christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper.  That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.

In the contest between Tumpy and Biteme, I also chose sides and went Never Biteme too... Which only benefited Tumpy.

Your argument is asinine. You do not own my vote, nor do you deserve it. The ONLY way my vote benefits anyone is when I vote *FOR* that person. It is an affirmative assent, an endorsement, and that is ALL it can be.

Since I did not vote (lend my endorsement) for Tumpy, and I did not lend my endorsement to Biteme, my vote is exactly a null, having NO effect between the two. My vote is in NEITHER column.

And rightly so.

Math. You should try it sometime.

[Sled Dog]

Hmmm....Donald Trump was a win for America.

Donald Trump's first year tax reform was a conservative masterpiece, greatly reducing the federal deductability of state taxes, something the Rodents are still freaking out over.

The judges Trump appointed, on the USSC and the lower courts, will have a cumulative conservative impact, so much so the Rodents have desperately renamed "court packing" as "court reform".

And for a pure conservative victory, the RINOs no longer have any place to hide, the Americans see them all for what they are.

And the Rodents are not "liberals" and "liberalism" is not being advanced by the Rodents and their puppet Usurper.   Liberals endorse the rights of man over the power of government.  Rodents have never been liberals.  They are socialists, usually in the more extreme variants of socialism known as fascism and communism.

[roamer_1]

Hmmm....Donald Trump was a win for America.

No, he was not. He was a twenety trillion dollar LOSS for America. And nothing gained.

Donald Trump's first year tax reform was a conservative masterpiece, greatly reducing the federal deductability of state taxes, something the Rodents are still freaking out over.

Again, no it was not a 'conservative masterpiece'. Conservatism dictates tax cuts accompanied by spending cuts. Cutting taxes while increasing spending (by double) only means one thing: Printing money, and inflationary taxation instead.

The judges Trump appointed, on the USSC and the lower courts, will have a cumulative conservative impact, so much so the Rodents have desperately renamed "court packing" as "court reform".

Nonsense. There has been no massive move to the right, because those are not conservative judges, as is already proving true.

And for a pure conservative victory, the RINOs no longer have any place to hide, the Americans see them all for what they are.

LOL! And voted them in again. Just as they always do.

The ball moved LEFT. Spending went drastically upward. Y'all got nothing. As usual.

[christian]

Who you voted for counts for little.  I don't remember you mentioning it before this.  Your demanding people here go Never Trumper is your stance and it went against one party and advantaged the other.  Obvious as that is, your throwing a fit, changes nothing of that.  From Never Trump, democrats/Biden you don't care about, to now Never Trump, Never Biden, that's quite a shift in your position.  AFTER THE ELECTION  How liberal of you! 
You can have a promising career in the democrat party.
 

[roamer_1]

Who you voted for counts for little.  I don't remember you mentioning it before this.  Your demanding people here go Never Trumper is your stance and it went against one party and advantaged the other.

I really could not care less about Tumpy himself. He's a friggin joke. And I don't give a sh*t about hero based messianic bullcrap.

What I encourage is adhering to the Conservative Coalition - Which is why we al purport to be here in the first place. That means NO conservative principles go under the bus. That means you vote for folks that actually abide by conservative principles. That's how you get Conservatives instead of RINOs - Voting with conviction instead of fear, and in not settling for less.

Using Consevative principle as the touchstone, of course Tumpy is a poor choice. A dreadful choice. He cannot be defended wrt fiscal conservatism or libertarianism - The two most important factors of Conservatism wrt controlling an out of control federal government - BOTH went under the bus with Tumpy, and especially fiscal conservatism.

So in voting *FOR* Tumpy, you are literally voting *against* fiscal conservatism and libertarianism, because if the Right will not defend those principles, no one will - You are quite literally disenfranchising those conservatives, that as a Conservative as defined under Goldwater and Reagan, we all vowed never to do.

I will not do that. EVER. Neither will I encourage others to. Because that is exactly why the Republican party is a feckless worthless party, unable to win a single thing in all my life. Because all y'all continue to do damage to the very coalition that we all purport to uphold. And I will be right here to remind all y'all of that bare FACT.

Obvious as that is, your throwing a fit, changes nothing of that.  From Never Trump, democrats/Biden you don't care about, to now Never Trump, Never Biden, that's quite a shift in your position.  AFTER THE ELECTION  How liberal of you! 
You can have a promising career in the democrat party.
 

I have not shifted any position since Reagan was in the Whitehouse. I have stood right here where I am. Your perceptions of where I am are your own.

I don't care about Democrats. Never have. I have no control over the left. They will do what they do. What I care about is the Right, which is supposed to defend against the Democrats, and never do.

Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition. FACT.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What I encourage is adhering to the Conservative Coalition - Which is why we al purport to be here in the first place. That means NO conservative principles go under the bus. That means you vote for folks that actually abide by conservative principles. That's how you get Conservatives instead of RINOs - Voting with conviction instead of fear, and in not settling for less.

Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group ---  as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.

[roamer_1]

Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group ---  as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.

Then so be it. Still better than adding to the feckless chorus. At least I am doing no harm.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Then so be it. Still better than adding to the feckless chorus. At least I am doing no harm.

You're your own worst enemy, Roamer.  You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.

You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior.  In reality, you know one thing and one thing only:  Debt is bad.  That's it.  I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.

[roamer_1]

You're your own worst enemy, Roamer.  You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.

You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior.  In reality, you know one thing and one thing only:  Debt is bad.  That's it.  I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.

Nah. Debt is just the least defensible. I can go on.
I am deadly serious about coalition - The difference being that the purpose FOR the coalition cannot be lost in the vagaries of compromise...

And that coalition is already formed... Was formed as early as Goldwater. Nothing has changed.
If you want to win - and actually WIN - What that will take is Conservatism. And ONLY Conservatism will do. Every compromise that nullifies those basic principles is a coalition that has already lost - Because it will fix nothing in the end.

Winning the election is not the point. RINOs win all the time.

[dancer]

The GOP Senators need to vote against it.  Who cares if they ping pong it back and forth.  The GOP shouldn't vote in favor of anything that the DEMS want.  Make it as difficult for them as possible --  the DEMS declared this war on our Republic. Give them nothing.

[dancer]

But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.

I don't think so, DC.
The little guy is solidly behind Trump now.  They saw that he created jobs, bigger paychecks and stood up for them when no one else would.  They saw the election stolen right before their eyes.  They're onto the ocrats who do nothing for them.

There are seriously nasty provisions that must be defeated.  The only question I have is how many of the Rrats want the NWO and will make certain our nation will be permanently under it's boot. 

[Hoodat]

You're your own worst enemy, Roamer.  You raise one important issue over and over again

Deficit spending is the ONLY issue.  Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically.  Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats.  And for some crazy reason, we continue to support their empowerment.

[Hoodat]

Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group ---  as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.

@roamer_1 has a very large trunk.

[christian]

As for the corona virus, Biden demands dictatorial powers over the American people to supposedly fight the war against the corona virus.  2/3rd of his corona virus spending bill is pork, not fighting the virus at all.  As for the desperate need to fight the corona virus from spreading, Biden is taking the NY Coumo tactic of spreading the infected among-st the uninfected, sending foreigners coming into the Country throughout Country knowing they are infected and letting them spread, uninhibited amongst the populace.   In NY we know at least 15,000 needlessly died from this practice.  How many more will now die because Biden is utilizing that practice to spread the disease across the entire nation?  Democrats butcher/murder the populace while proclaiming they are saviors out to save the people, (whom they are very hostile towards).
 Their butcher humanity abortions of humanity is spreading to other butcher humanity endeavors.
Defeating the evil Trump has given democrats the power to run wild and do these Nazi like exterminations of mankind.  Expect more and worse to come.  It's what happens when Satans servants are empowered!
 

[DCPatriot]

You're your own worst enemy, Roamer.  You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.

You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior.  In reality, you know one thing and one thing only:  Debt is bad.  That's it.  I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.

My vote for "Post of the Week".     

[Right_in_Virginia]

Deficit spending is the ONLY issue.  Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically.  Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats. 

Really?  Fix deficit spending and we fix the cancel culture, stop tearing down statues of our legacy, stop burning books?

Fix deficit spending and we stop insisting white people be less white, pay reparations, get on the back of every line, and apologize for their genetic code?

Fix deficit spending and we fix election and voter fraud so our votes reflect the will of actual, living American citizens and our government is no longer for sale?

Fix deficit spending and we reattach our justice system and rule of law to the United States Constitution?

Fix deficit spending and the Dreamers aren't rewarded with citizenship, unaccompanied minors are not moved into your neighborhood, and red states are not intentionally overrun by a new majority voting bloc?


YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! By God, I think you have found the magic wand we've all been looking for.  Why didn't anyone think of this before??   

[Right_in_Virginia]

And that coalition is already formed... Was formed as early as Goldwater. Nothing has changed.  If you want to win

I see you posted directly from Crazy Land.  Tell me again what President Goldwater's margin of victory was ....  I forget.   

[roamer_1]

Deficit spending is the ONLY issue.  Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically.  Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats.  And for some crazy reason, we continue to support their empowerment.

It is certainly THE central one. As I said upthread... libertarianism and fiscal conservatism are always under the bus - And undoubtedly the tools most needed to put the federal behemoth back in its Constitutional box.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1 has a very large trunk.

You know that, and so do I... But really it doesn't matter. What matters is the truth, and the undeniable truth is that there is no win if one sacrifices the very principles you are fighting for...

And NOTHING gets fixed when those principles are sacrificed anyway.

So what the hell did you win?

[roamer_1]

My vote for "Post of the Week".     

Yeah, but you don't know sh*t anyway... 

[roamer_1]

Really?  Fix deficit spending and we fix the cancel culture, stop tearing down statues of our legacy, stop burning books?

Fixing deficit spending is not the same thing s fiscal conservatism - But:

YES.

Fix deficit spending and we stop insisting white people be less white, pay reparations, get on the back of every line, and apologize for their genetic code?

YES.

Fix deficit spending and we fix election and voter fraud so our votes reflect the will of actual, living American citizens and our government is no longer for sale?

YES.

Fix deficit spending and we reattach our justice system and rule of law to the United States Constitution?

YES.

Fix deficit spending and the Dreamers aren't rewarded with citizenship, unaccompanied minors are not moved into your neighborhood, and red states are not intentionally overrun by a new majority voting bloc?

YES.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! By God, I think you have found the magic wand we've all been looking for.  Why didn't anyone think of this before??   

They did. y'all just left it behind. Sh*t, you should know it just from doing your checkbook at the kitchen table. Somehow it must be different when it's other peoples' money 

[roamer_1]

I see you posted directly from Crazy Land.  Tell me again what President Goldwater's margin of victory was ....  I forget.   

Again, you think your winning happens at the polls. It does not. The last four years are a lesson, if you will stop to learn it.