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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3625 on: November 17, 2020, 01:17:52 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3626 on: November 17, 2020, 02:13:49 PM »
11-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   29.206     1.393
United States   27.783     1.644

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, TN, & MN.
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Out of curiosity I looked over the the new cases and daily deaths data for several populous CA counties (Santa Clara, LA, and San Diego). Daily new cases are definitely way up. However, even the the cases increases have been going on for a month or more, the daily deaths stats are either flat or decreasing. This data was from before Goobernor Noisome's re-imposition of stricter semi-shutdown regs.
US Coronavirus timeline: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395099.msg2169385.html#msg2169385

China Coronavirus timeline: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395099.msg2184146.html#msg2184146

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3627 on: November 17, 2020, 05:13:22 PM »
Fatality rates by State - based on reported cases only.


     New Jersey     5.75%
     New York     5.65%
     Massachusetts     5.42%
     Connecticut     5.10%
     District Of Columbia     3.41%
     Pennsylvania     3.37%
     New Hampshire     3.32%
     Louisiana     2.99%
     Michigan     2.91%
     Rhode Island     2.87%
     Mississippi     2.62%
     Maryland     2.55%
     Delaware     2.52%
     Arizona     2.27%
     USA Total     2.18%
     South Carolina     2.10%
     Georgia     2.10%
     Florida     1.97%
     Indiana     1.91%
     Illinois     1.91%
     Vermont     1.90%
     Ohio     1.89%
     New Mexico     1.88%
     Virginia     1.85%
     Washington     1.84%
     Texas     1.82%
     Maine     1.77%
     California     1.75%
     West Virginia     1.69%
     Arkansas     1.65%
     Nevada     1.57%
     Colorado     1.53%
     North Carolina     1.51%
     Alabama     1.49%
     Missouri     1.38%
     Hawaii     1.33%
     Oregon     1.32%
     Minnesota     1.26%
     Tennessee     1.23%
     Kentucky     1.19%
     North Dakota     1.16%
     Montana     1.09%
     Iowa     1.06%
     Kansas     1.02%
     Oklahoma     0.98%
     South Dakota     0.97%
     Idaho     0.91%
     Wisconsin     0.83%
     Nebraska     0.78%
     Wyoming     0.62%
     Utah     0.46%
     Alaska     0.42%
North Dakota's numbers agree pretty well with what I had calculated from DOH data.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3628 on: November 21, 2020, 11:51:53 AM »
Portuguese Appeals Court Deems PCR Tests Unreliable

By Pete Bianco - November 17, 2020
https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/

On November 11, 2020, a Portuguese appeal court ruled it was unlawful to quarantine people based solely on a PCR test.

The court stated, the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used and the viral load present. Citing Jaafar et al. 2020, the court concludes that “if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the rule in most laboratories in Europe and the US), the probability that said person is infected is less than 3%, and the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%.” The court further notes that the cycle threshold used for the PCR tests currently being made in Portugal is unknown.

This case concerned the fact that four people had been quarantined by the Regional Health Authority. Of these, one had tested positive for COVID using a PCR test; the other three were deemed to have undergone a high risk of exposure. Consequently, the Regional Health Authority decided that all four were infectious and a health hazard, which required that they go into isolation.

The court’s summary of the case to rule against the Regional Health Authority’s appeal reads as follows: “Given how much scientific doubt exists — as voiced by experts, i.e., those who matter — about the reliability of the PCR tests, given the lack of information concerning the tests’ analytical parameters, and in the absence of a physician’s diagnosis supporting the existence of infection or risk, there is no way this court would ever be able to determine whether C was indeed a carrier of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, or whether A, B and D had been at a high risk of exposure to it.”

In the US, the FDA’s instructions for PCR testing recommends a threshold of 40 cycles for a specimen to be considered positive. See page 35 of the instructions.

At 25 cycles the original material has been multiplied 33,554,432 times.

At 30 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,073,741,824 times.

At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.

As you can see there is quite a difference in magnification at various cycle thresholds.


-- excerpt, rest at link above --

Thus explaining all of these positive test results and no symptoms.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3629 on: November 21, 2020, 11:55:49 AM »
Portuguese Appeals Court Deems PCR Tests Unreliable

By Pete Bianco - November 17, 2020
https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/

On November 11, 2020, a Portuguese appeal court ruled it was unlawful to quarantine people based solely on a PCR test.

The court stated, the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used and the viral load present. Citing Jaafar et al. 2020, the court concludes that “if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the rule in most laboratories in Europe and the US), the probability that said person is infected is less than 3%, and the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%.” The court further notes that the cycle threshold used for the PCR tests currently being made in Portugal is unknown.

This case concerned the fact that four people had been quarantined by the Regional Health Authority. Of these, one had tested positive for COVID using a PCR test; the other three were deemed to have undergone a high risk of exposure. Consequently, the Regional Health Authority decided that all four were infectious and a health hazard, which required that they go into isolation.

The court’s summary of the case to rule against the Regional Health Authority’s appeal reads as follows: “Given how much scientific doubt exists — as voiced by experts, i.e., those who matter — about the reliability of the PCR tests, given the lack of information concerning the tests’ analytical parameters, and in the absence of a physician’s diagnosis supporting the existence of infection or risk, there is no way this court would ever be able to determine whether C was indeed a carrier of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, or whether A, B and D had been at a high risk of exposure to it.”

In the US, the FDA’s instructions for PCR testing recommends a threshold of 40 cycles for a specimen to be considered positive. See page 35 of the instructions.

At 25 cycles the original material has been multiplied 33,554,432 times.

At 30 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,073,741,824 times.

At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.

As you can see there is quite a difference in magnification at various cycle thresholds.


-- excerpt, rest at link above --

Thus explaining all of these positive test results and no symptoms.
In an nutshell, the disease isn't as widespread as the tests say.

This is why new cases are likely not a valid metric--and why number of new cases tracks number of tests, with a slight delay for processing.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3630 on: November 21, 2020, 12:00:33 PM »
In an nutshell, the disease isn't as widespread as the tests say.

This is why new cases are likely not a valid metric--and why number of new cases tracks number of tests, with a slight delay for processing.

What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!

Prove me wrong.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3631 on: November 21, 2020, 12:03:00 PM »
What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!

Prove me wrong.
See http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3632 on: November 21, 2020, 12:28:44 PM »
At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.

A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3633 on: November 21, 2020, 12:30:01 PM »
Fatality rates by State - based on reported cases only.


     New Jersey     5.75%
     New York     5.65%
     Massachusetts     5.42%
     Connecticut     5.10%
     District Of Columbia     3.41%
     Pennsylvania     3.37%
     New Hampshire     3.32%
     Louisiana     2.99%
     Michigan     2.91%
     Rhode Island     2.87%
     Mississippi     2.62%
     Maryland     2.55%
     Delaware     2.52%
     Arizona     2.27%
     USA Total     2.18%
     South Carolina     2.10%
     Georgia     2.10%
     Florida     1.97%
     Indiana     1.91%
     Illinois     1.91%
     Vermont     1.90%
     Ohio     1.89%
     New Mexico     1.88%
     Virginia     1.85%
     Washington     1.84%
     Texas     1.82%
     Maine     1.77%
     California     1.75%
     West Virginia     1.69%
     Arkansas     1.65%
     Nevada     1.57%
     Colorado     1.53%
     North Carolina     1.51%
     Alabama     1.49%
     Missouri     1.38%
     Hawaii     1.33%
     Oregon     1.32%
     Minnesota     1.26%
     Tennessee     1.23%
     Kentucky     1.19%
     North Dakota     1.16%
     Montana     1.09%
     Iowa     1.06%
     Kansas     1.02%
     Oklahoma     0.98%
     South Dakota     0.97%
     Idaho     0.91%
     Wisconsin     0.83%
     Nebraska     0.78%
     Wyoming     0.62%
     Utah     0.46%
     Alaska     0.42%

So for a 1.75% fatality rate, gruesome Newsom punishes the remaining living citizens and their economic viability and future?

This is nuts!

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3634 on: November 21, 2020, 12:30:07 PM »
A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"

Depends on who you ask and what their motivations are.

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« Reply #3635 on: November 21, 2020, 12:37:18 PM »
A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"

Whatever it takes...

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« Reply #3636 on: November 21, 2020, 12:54:46 PM »
It's not that difficult to explain to non-medical people how amplifying works, because most have seen a lot of CSI and NCIS episodes.

What should give them pause it takes over a trillion clonings to boost the DNA levels to the point they can be construed as "positive test results."  Anybody who's ever made copies of copies of cassette tapes know it results in diminished quality.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3637 on: November 21, 2020, 01:33:37 PM »
What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!

Prove me wrong.

See http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620

If you haven't already.

I am leaning hard toward 'The Great Reset' being attempted... With the virus being an artifice of convenience.

Suddenly this 'Great Reset' lingo (go read what they desire) is filtering into the media dialog. Phrases and thoughts... I always said it was bigger than the US or the US election.

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« Reply #3638 on: November 21, 2020, 01:37:03 PM »
I am leaning hard toward 'The Great Reset' being attempted... With the virus being an artifice of convenience.

Suddenly this 'Great Reset' lingo (go read what they desire) is filtering into the media dialog. Phrases and thoughts... I always said it was bigger than the US or the US election.
It's global, but if the US is in the way (and yes, even Trump) it ain't gonna work.
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« Reply #3639 on: November 21, 2020, 01:46:52 PM »
It's global, but if the US is in the way (and yes, even Trump) it ain't gonna work.

That's right. The Protestant West, and the Muslims in the middle east won't be broken so easily.

BUT, already this offense is being lofted on the Canucks... The idea of total debt forgiveness in exchange for surrender of property rights... Funny ain't it, how this Wuhan virus is the layup for just such a thing...

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« Reply #3640 on: November 21, 2020, 01:55:38 PM »
That's right. The Protestant West, and the Muslims in the middle east won't be broken so easily.

The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game."  They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries.  That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.
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« Reply #3641 on: November 21, 2020, 02:01:17 PM »
The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game."  They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries.  That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.
Yep. THe very face masks that Americans would have bled to keep off their women are being demanded by Karens everywhere...(and the (*&)@# things are ineffective, to boot!)
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« Reply #3642 on: November 21, 2020, 03:29:03 PM »
Our church choir finally is getting back to practicing, after 8 or so months off, but we have to keep wearing masks. I sewed a new one today for the occasion - only one layer of very breathable fabric. It's not like it was going to prevent transmission of the virus anyway.
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« Reply #3643 on: November 21, 2020, 03:39:14 PM »
The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game."  They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries.  That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.

The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.

Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.

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« Reply #3644 on: November 21, 2020, 03:54:43 PM »
The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.

 :bingo:

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Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.

I've barely scratched  that surface.   :shrug:
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« Reply #3645 on: November 21, 2020, 03:58:22 PM »
I've barely scratched  that surface.   :shrug:

It is international debt forgiveness in trade for giving up all rights to property. That is the main thrust, and there are a whole bunch of heavy hitters in politics and business signing on.

It is literally horrifying.

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« Reply #3646 on: November 21, 2020, 04:05:06 PM »
It is international debt forgiveness in trade for giving up all rights to property. That is the main thrust, and there are a whole bunch of heavy hitters in politics and business signing on.

It is literally horrifying.

It sounds like it.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3647 on: November 21, 2020, 04:14:10 PM »
The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.

Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.

Today, bright and sunny walk in my 150 acre coastal park, steady breeze going, and the few people I see were wearing masks, no one else around. Sometimes I get that urge to grab them by the shoulders shake and yell. “Wake up!” Most are older Chinese though, it’s in their DNA. No point in it.

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« Reply #3648 on: November 21, 2020, 04:25:03 PM »
Today, bright and sunny walk in my 150 acre coastal park, steady breeze going, and the few people I see were wearing masks, no one else around. Sometimes I get that urge to grab them by the shoulders shake and yell. “Wake up!” Most are older Chinese though, it’s in their DNA. No point in it.

Sure... Nobody around, it's just nuts. But I ain't going to cuss old folks for taking steps... They're the ones this thing could statistically harm.

But you are right. it is almost point-and-laugh hilarious in town... Folks driving alone in their cars, invariably karens, or bookish younger males. Makes me shake my head, turn around and head back out of town... Where things are pretty normal, less the odd elders not taking any chances.

I ain't been going to the Costco because it is the one place I need to go that I would have to wear a mask or a shield... So I been having it delivered via InstaCart... Costs me a twenty or so, but if I wait a bit till I have an order of $250 or more, that ain't so bad...

Anyhow, the fun part of all that is when the InstaCart delivery person shows up to drop my order off on the porch, the first think I say is, "Y'all can take that sh*t off if you want to..."

And every single one of em, without fail says, "Oh thank God!" and pulls off the mask.  :laugh:

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« Reply #3649 on: November 21, 2020, 04:40:52 PM »
Sure... Nobody around, it's just nuts. But I ain't going to cuss old folks for taking steps... They're the ones this thing could statistically harm.

But you are right. it is almost point-and-laugh hilarious in town... Folks driving alone in their cars, invariably karens, or bookish younger males. Makes me shake my head, turn around and head back out of town... Where things are pretty normal, less the odd elders not taking any chances.

I ain't been going to the Costco because it is the one place I need to go that I would have to wear a mask or a shield... So I been having it delivered via InstaCart... Costs me a twenty or so, but if I wait a bit till I have an order of $250 or more, that ain't so bad...

Anyhow, the fun part of all that is when the InstaCart delivery person shows up to drop my order off on the porch, the first think I say is, "Y'all can take that sh*t off if you want to..."

And every single one of em, without fail says, "Oh thank God!" and pulls off the mask.  :laugh:

Mrs. Liberty and I have a volunteer gig we do at the GOP HQ here in BHC, and most people come in wearing masks.  They think the City still requires it, but they don't.  I say almost that exact same thing to them.  the trilogy of shipping services we use, UPS, FedEx and USPS, and they don't wear them on delivery.

We never wore them in the HQ, even when it was supposedly mandatory.  We just told the inspectors, "We aren't open to 'the public,' only for Republicans."
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