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Sorry, but Trump associated with Epstein. Hasn’t been debunked and there is photographic evidence.

Try again.

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Fox News has the same story..

Just a question/observation....if true

I you are strangling yourself wouldn't the normal body reflex be to stop with the pain of breaking the bones in your neck as you are tightening the noose?
Here;s the bone in question, often broken in manual or ligature strangulation, or from the drop and the noose pulling on the neck. Tightening the noose is usually a formality which helps align it to dislocate the vertebrae in the neck, perhaps ensuring a swift demise, but that force comes from a drop of the condemned's body from a height with a sudden stop at the end. Otherwise, the result is asphyxiation, which takes a little longer before the (unwilling victim) stops struggling.
Details on hanging as an execution method can be found here: https://deathpenaltycurriculum.org/student/c/about/methods/hanging.htm (Grim stuff if not viewed clinically).

 
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Here;s the bone in question, often broken in manual or ligature strangulation, or from the drop and the noose pulling on the neck. Tightening the noose is usually a formality which helps align it to dislocate the vertebrae in the neck, perhaps ensuring a swift demise, but that force comes from a drop of the condemned's body from a height with a sudden stop at the end. Otherwise, the result is asphyxiation, which takes a little longer before the (unwilling victim) stops struggling.
Details on hanging as an execution method can be found here: https://deathpenaltycurriculum.org/student/c/about/methods/hanging.htm (Grim stuff if not viewed clinically).

 

And, there's the problem.

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And, there's the problem.

I understand that older people break that bone themselves by hanging.
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I doubt that any amount of investigation is going to accomplish anything now.  Look how long it has taken to get the Russia Hoax perps behind bars.  Oh wait...... 

The deep state radicals will drag this out until after 2020 in the hopes that they can wincheat and replace Trump, at which point... if they're successful... all of this just vanishes into that black hole that IS the Deep State Evidence Vault.
They've been trying to run out the clock on Clinton already, along with the entire crooked cadre from the Obama Administration. Other formers go do stuff, he's sticking close.
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I understand that older people break that bone themselves by hanging.
True, but there is a big difference between kicking the chair out and getting a two foot dead drop and a six footer trying to get that sort of downforce from an upper bunk. I'm not saying it can't be done, it just seems unlikely.
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I understand that older people break that bone themselves by hanging.

They can but not in all cases.
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True, but there is a big difference between kicking the chair out and getting a two foot dead drop and a six footer trying to get that sort of downforce from an upper bunk. I'm not saying it can't be done, it just seems unlikely.

It does seem very unlikely.

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True, but there is a big difference between kicking the chair out and getting a two foot dead drop and a six footer trying to get that sort of downforce from an upper bunk. I'm not saying it can't be done, it just seems unlikely.

I've been wondering if a crude "hanging" leading to asphyxiation might cause a violent enough struggle, combined with age and perhaps less than healthy living weakening the bones, to do the trick.

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I've been wondering if a crude "hanging" leading to asphyxiation might cause a violent enough struggle, combined with age and perhaps less than healthy living weakening the bones, to do the trick.

Guess we'll never know.

Epstein loved himself and took very good care of himself. If he managed to lean forward to tighten a noose, he very well could have passed out before asphyxiation. The circumstances are very suspicious.
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Forensic pathologist, Doctor Cyril Wecht said, "No jumping, no falling through a floor like an execution, no jumping from the top of a stepladder. There is no velocity. Where did the force come from?"

I'm a nurse, not a doctor, but I agree with him.
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Forensic pathologist, Doctor Cyril Wecht said, "No jumping, no falling through a floor like an execution, no jumping from the top of a stepladder. There is no velocity. Where did the force come from?"

I'm a nurse, not a doctor, but I agree with him.

Just saw him on Fox too....does every self strangulation break bones in the neck?
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Just saw him on Fox too....does every self strangulation break bones in the neck?
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The hyoid is more likely broken during manual strangulation than hanging. What is self-strangulation?
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The hyoid is more likely broken during manual strangulation than hanging. What is self-strangulation?

Kate Spade did the self strangulation by kneeling/sitting on the floor and tying the *rope* to the doorknob...and gradually tightening the rope until you pass out
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Kate Spade did the self strangulation by kneeling/sitting on the floor and tying the *rope* to the doorknob...and gradually tightening the rope until you pass out
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I can see how one could pass out, but my question is: does that always lead to death?  :shrug:
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Kate Spade did the self strangulation by kneeling/sitting on the floor and tying the *rope* to the doorknob...and gradually tightening the rope until you pass out

People have killed themselves with thin plastic grocery bags that way.

Mrs. Liberty is looking at stories suggesting he isn't dead at all, we saw somebody who looked like him on the gurney.
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I can see how one could pass out, but my question is: does that always lead to death?  :shrug:

I don't know all the specifics...I am new to all this just like you..
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People have killed themselves with thin plastic grocery bags that way.

Mrs. Liberty is looking at stories suggesting he isn't dead at all, we saw somebody who looked like him on the gurney.

Wouldn't that be something.... if he really was somewhere tropical, sipping mojitos on a beach, free as a bird, still rich, and probably still nailing the teens.   

Nah.

He's dead Jim.   But Hell is no doubt, as we speak, throwing him one helluva welcome home party.

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Mrs. Liberty is looking at stories suggesting he isn't dead at all, we saw somebody who looked like him on the gurney.

It surely would have been worth a try. Crooked "bought off" guards being in a substitute body, EdStein sneaks out, and heads to a far away place.

Or perhaps get a physical makeover, and hide somewhere "in plain sight."   
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It surely would have been worth a try. Crooked "bought off" guards being in a substitute body, EdStein sneaks out, and heads to a far away place.

Or perhaps get a physical makeover, and hide somewhere "in plain sight."
"Hey! You look just like...."

"Yeah, people tell me that all the time. I wish I didn't..."

All he needs is an established identity (not so hard for a very rich guy), a passport, and someone to switch the fingerprints in the FBI files....
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