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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2019, 02:13:12 PM »
Well sorta - It cannot be off, or you would see nothing.

That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2019, 02:20:16 PM »
Right - but the newsspeak does not inhibit the truth. Creating mechanical life is purely nonsense, in the same way a boy who has been given tinkertoys can build a car like his dad's. He may believe he can, he may brag he can, but he doesn't understand the first damn thing about it.

The purpose of Newspeak was not necessarily to inhibit the truth, but to distort the language (and thought behind it) to sidestep the truth and substitute the State's "truth" in its place.  The notion of "thought crimes" is a part of that.  If the Proles spoke outside of the Newspeak, it was evidence of thinking outside of the box the State constructed, making convictions for Thought Crimes much easier.

Your definitions, and mine, don't change.  But people who have not lived the lives we have would not have that certainty, most likely.  Getting old has it's advantages, I suppose.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2019, 02:22:18 PM »
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They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot

It’s an old philosophical question: if a speeding train is careening down the track, and it’s about to crush a group of injured people, would you pull a lever that would redirect it to kill just one innocent person?

Now, provocative new research puts a new twist on the thought experiment by asking people whether they’d pull the lever to kill an intelligent robot and save a person.

I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2019, 02:25:04 PM »
The purpose of Newspeak was not necessarily to inhibit the truth, but to distort the language (and thought behind it) to sidestep the truth and substitute the State's "truth" in its place.  The notion of "thought crimes" is a part of that.  If the Proles spoke outside of the Newspeak, it was evidence of thinking outside of the box the State constructed, making convictions for Thought Crimes much easier.

Your definitions, and mine, don't change.  But people who have not lived the lives we have would not have that certainty, most likely.  Getting old has it's advantages, I suppose.

Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.

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« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2019, 02:29:19 PM »
That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.

Yep, it doesn't display like a normal monitor.  Which also makes it nice for reading outside in very bright light. 

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« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2019, 02:31:11 PM »
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

I'd be a jailbird!    888mouth

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2019, 02:33:03 PM »
Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.

Which is why I advocate burying a time capsule.... with a well-thought out summary of the way things are and where they are headed and why.... illustrating your wisdom and life-experience knowledge...

in the hopes that somebody will some day find it and get a dose of knowledge that 'the state' didn't want them to have.  It may not end up doing any good in the grand scheme of things....

but who knows, really?   Your capsule writings could move someone to make a change... and/or could end up in a future museum... presuming that there are museums in that future.   :shrug:
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2019, 02:33:19 PM »
That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.

Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.

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« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2019, 02:35:42 PM »
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   


Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.

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« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2019, 02:38:06 PM »
Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.

Yes, there is light, but it shines away from you instead of towards you like a normal monitor or tv.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2019, 02:38:49 PM »
Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.

Maybe not... but... since I'd probably be "thinking" of the bots that answer AT&T's Customer Service number...(and the bot/android in the first Alien flick)...

I'd give it the old college try!!!   22chief
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2019, 02:43:41 PM »
Which is why I advocate burying a time capsule.... with a well-thought out summary of the way things are and where they are headed and why.... illustrating your wisdom and life-experience knowledge...

in the hopes that somebody will some day find it and get a dose of knowledge that 'the state' didn't want them to have.  It may not end up doing any good in the grand scheme of things....

but who knows, really?   Your capsule writings could move someone to make a change... and/or could end up in a future museum... presuming that there are museums in that future.   :shrug:

The Great Pyramid, Stonehenge, and may even more importantly, Gobekli Tepe. All time capsules in their own way.

Written language can become indecipherable. Pile up a bunch of rocks in a place with some kind of stability. Preferably a safe distance from @RoosGirl.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2019, 02:45:08 PM »
The Great Pyramid, Stonehenge, and may even more importantly, Gobekli Tepe. All time capsules in their own way.

Written language can become indecipherable. Pile up a bunch of rocks in a place with some kind of stability. Preferably a safe distance from @RoosGirl.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2019, 02:49:25 PM »
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

I'd be a jailbird!    888mouth

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I thought I was the only person who does that.  I usually go off on the robots that call ME, I didn't ask for that conversation.  It's as if they raped my ears....
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2019, 02:53:31 PM »
:silly:

I thought I was the only person who does that.  I usually go off on the robots that call ME, I didn't ask for that conversation.  It's as if they raped my ears....

Lol.... I'm so glad I'm not the only one!  I also like to vent to the robocallers about certain issues that are bothering me on that particular day.  What are they gonna do?  Hang up?   Perfect!

I think of it as cheap/free therapy....
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2019, 02:56:28 PM »
Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.

This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.

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« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2019, 02:58:15 PM »
Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.

Sad but true, @Bigun.  Thus it has been trough History, which is why there are many places in the UK where the language has changed to the point of becoming unintelligible to us Americans (and other local Brits as well).  I had a Scientist friend where I worked until last year who was an Aussie, and he had a good handle on the evolution of the English Language.  We Colonists tended to hold on to the original language moreso than the native Brits.  It seems counter-intuitive.

The key point I took from those conversations is that it has been the Brits, not the Colonials, who created the differences in our English Language.  "We are separated by a common language," and the increasing separation is inevitable.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2019, 02:59:41 PM »
Yeah, I'll steal em for my yard.

Stealing them isn't the issue. Losing them forever in the sands of time you call your backyard is. :laugh:

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2019, 03:00:52 PM »
This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.

I highlighted that sentence because it's one of the most important things in this thread.  Kudos, @bigheadfred!
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2019, 03:06:36 PM »
Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.

Do you recall the Liquid Crystal Displays on 1970-era wristwatches that did not emit light, but rather reflected it?  It's like that.  It looks like print on a paper.  You really need to hold and see one to appreciate the differences.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2019, 03:10:37 PM »
This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

Nope. The baby is alive, from conception, by any argument. 

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My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.

It cannot become a question. It is a machine. It has no soul and can have no soul. It is not alive, and will never be alive.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2019, 03:16:02 PM »
Yeah, I'll steal em for my yard.

ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle.  Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2019, 03:18:43 PM »
Do you recall the Liquid Crystal Displays on 1970-era wristwatches that did not emit light, but rather reflected it?  It's like that.  It looks like print on a paper.  You really need to hold and see one to appreciate the differences.

It reminds me a lot of my old 386 black and white laptop display.  :laugh:

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« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2019, 03:27:39 PM »
It reminds me a lot of my old 386 black and white laptop display.  :laugh:

Yes, actually it does.  I had one too.  Actually, it was a 286 running MSDOS on a LCD monitor, but the comparison is accurate.   :beer:
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« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2019, 03:32:14 PM »
ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle.  Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.

 :pondering:

There is a good reason it costs so much to buy good rock in Florida, and it's not the acquisition expense.  Dragging a pick-um-up truck loaded with rocks from WV to FL ain't cheap, especially if you have a 3/4 ton Doolie burning Diesel.   :shrug:
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