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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2019, 01:19:29 am »
I don't think it is an accident that there are always the preparatory bombardment of contrived tear-jerkers, stand up routines, and other 'entertainment' that supports some particular cause of the Left, just before and coinciding with the issue coming up in the news cycle. we saw this with the Disney movie attacking Apartheid in South Africa, and virtually every salient issue since. The 'news', released simultaneously, uses the same buzz phrases and talking points, as if the Ministry (of Propaganda) has issued another missive.

Long ago, psychologists observed that yawning, coughing, and laughter are contagious behaviours in a crowd. Supplementing 'edgy' comments (which ordinarily will make people laugh out of nervousness) with canned laugh tracks will, in time, alter the perception of what is funny. You can tell what the next social initiative will be by watching what is supposed to be funny, or what meme the entertainment industry is pushing. Who the bad guys are, who we should feel sorry for, etc.

I have been observing this for quite a while, and frankly, I am convinced there is collusion between the so-called entertainers (as a group) and the political media and those pushing the Communist (let's call a spade a spade) line on issues in politics.

Talked about indoctrinated

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2019, 02:03:31 am »
I have been observing this for quite a while, and frankly, I am convinced there is collusion between the so-called entertainers (as a group) and the political media and those pushing the Communist (let's call a spade a spade) line on issues in politics.

That's one heck of a point, and true.
I am conducting a bit of an experiment here... I just got a big, beautiful, monster laptop, so my old one got moved into the spare department... And in keeping with spare department quotas, my old spare is to be shook loose and sold or given away...

So I brought it out, rubbed it off, and reinstalled Win10. But this time, I decided to keep it around as a test bed. I left it just as Win10 comes, factory, and did not hack out the telemetry or install ad blockers or script blockers... didn't install Firefox or Chrome... Just left it right in the Microsoft sphere, logged into my MS account, with Cortana active, and the whole 9 yards. It is just about as promiscuous as I know how to make it.

The purpose was to see how Joe Homeowner is served up this stuff, and how it all works, with the idea that I would run into troubles and learn how to fix them. But another interesting aside:

Now being a 50-something redneck boy, you would think that the oft touted ad-sense and AI based observation would serve me up the sort of thing that folks like me (and they're all like me) would want to see - Farmer's Almanac, hunting, fishing, cowboy gear, country music, NASCAR, etc... You know the drill...

But that ain't what it's giving me. I am getting a non-stop liberal indoctrination, from the news it chooses to show me, to the music, to the ads, the whole dang thing is not only whacko-lib, but directly AGAINST me - Soyboy ads, feminine ads, metrosexual ads... Anti-gun articles, articles against white privilege, articles about male toxicity... crap about how pickup trucks are awful and killing the planet - OMG!!! the killing the planet shit is nonstop. ON AND ON... Not to mention pimping hip hop (no, not even hick-hop) through the music sources... This dang thing is feeding me absolutely everything I cannot stand. I wonder why that is, hmm?

And I am very pointedly ONLY going to redneck stuff on that box... 
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2019, 02:20:10 am »
That's one heck of a point, and true.
I am conducting a bit of an experiment here... I just got a big, beautiful, monster laptop, so my old one got moved into the spare department... And in keeping with spare department quotas, my old spare is to be shook loose and sold or given away...

So I brought it out, rubbed it off, and reinstalled Win10. But this time, I decided to keep it around as a test bed. I left it just as Win10 comes, factory, and did not hack out the telemetry or install ad blockers or script blockers... didn't install Firefox or Chrome... Just left it right in the Microsoft sphere, logged into my MS account, with Cortana active, and the whole 9 yards. It is just about as promiscuous as I know how to make it.

The purpose was to see how Joe Homeowner is served up this stuff, and how it all works, with the idea that I would run into troubles and learn how to fix them. But another interesting aside:

Now being a 50-something redneck boy, you would think that the oft touted ad-sense and AI based observation would serve me up the sort of thing that folks like me (and they're all like me) would want to see - Farmer's Almanac, hunting, fishing, cowboy gear, country music, NASCAR, etc... You know the drill...

But that ain't what it's giving me. I am getting a non-stop liberal indoctrination, from the news it chooses to show me, to the music, to the ads, the whole dang thing is not only whacko-lib, but directly AGAINST me - Soyboy ads, feminine ads, metrosexual ads... Anti-gun articles, articles against white privilege, articles about male toxicity... crap about how pickup trucks are awful and killing the planet - OMG!!! the killing the planet shit is nonstop. ON AND ON... Not to mention pimping hip hop (no, not even hick-hop) through the music sources... This dang thing is feeding me absolutely everything I cannot stand. I wonder why that is, hmm?

And I am very pointedly ONLY going to redneck stuff on that box...

Interesting.  There is a strong movement to curb your male toxicity. 

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2019, 02:29:15 am »
Talked about indoctrinated
Those are observations, of people, of media trends over a few decades. I'm a scientist. I see connections, or at least correlations.

The Disney movie, he Color of Friendship ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213565/ ) was allegedly based on a true story involving the daughter of none other than Ron Dellums. Find out about Ron here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-dellums/ron-dellums-u-s-lawmaker-who-led-push-for-sanctions-against-south-africa-dead-at-82-idUSKBN1KL038
Now that they had their Mandella moment, it's practically open season on white farmers in South Africa, and the nation is on its way to being the next Zimbabwe.

That's just one example. GLBTQXYZ issues, and just about any darling pet project of the liberal left, are broached first in sitcoms and dramas on teevee and movies before the real activists get going. It's as standard as a preparatory bombardment was in the island hopping campaign in the Pacific (WWII).

You are free to ignore the phenomenon if you want, but you can just about tell what the next big liberal push is going to be by watching the 'entertainment' that is offered.
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2019, 02:38:29 am »
dfw, thanks for the clip in post 10 above.

You don't see "Network" shown on tv much, for good reason.

A prophetic film, gee, it's going on fifty years old.

I did pretty much "turn off the tv" a long time ago. Some days go by I don't once turn it on.

Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune are about all that interests me these days, along with old movies on TCM from time to time.

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2019, 02:52:25 am »
Interesting.  There is a strong movement to curb your male toxicity.

I know... It ain't gonna happen, ever.
I am invincibly ignorant, it seems.
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2019, 03:00:52 am »
I know... It ain't gonna happen, ever.
I am invincibly ignorant, it seems.
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I count on it.

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2019, 03:27:17 am »
Interesting.  There is a strong movement to curb your male toxicity.
It is doomed (the movement). The average supposedly 'toxic male' doesn't care what the pajama boys and whiners have to say about it (except for amusement purposes). Their opinion just doesn't factor in.

Aside from not financially supporting the people who attack us (by boycotting their products), the disdain for them was perhaps summed up best in Hamlet with the line "Knowest thou this butterfly?"
Why should we have any respect for the opinions of people who have not earned our respect?
They are free to harbor disdain for the type of guy who would drag their sorry ass out of a burning car.
It's a free country, in no small part thanks to "toxic males".

NOTE:
The whole 'manly white man=evil racist misogynist" meme has been going in the entertainment end of things for a couple of years now (while a lot of ads show white looking women with very dark skinned males, or sometimes a white guy who is an absolute idiot) and the house hunting shows on cable showed about one 'couple' in three to be same sex partners. It isn't even subtle distortion any more.

Again, these are observations, not judgement of any of the shown 'lifestyles', but the mix is way off social norms, and that reeks of subtle promotion/desensitization, establishing a concept of what is "normal" that is skewed by overrepresentation of behaviour that is not that prominent in our society as being much more commonplace than it is.

When people get it in their heads that behaviour is normal or commonplace, there is less reason to not behave that way, and that is how media can set the standard. Now, watch on TV how people go about solving problems (murder is commonplace). All those perceived norms have an effect on people's behaviour, and in society, that includes their expectations about how the people around them are supposed to behave. Those cultural standards, from infidelity to promiscuity to homosexuality to other aspects of personal relationships affect the culture, the people in it, their perception of the world around them, and thus their beliefs as to how that world is supposed to work. Their ideals become less than what actually might be ideal for them, and the human wreckage that creates will have effects for generations to come, not to mention the effect it has on our Republic in general, with people being programmed to expect more from government and to do less for themselves.

Of course, us people "suffering" from toxic masculinity really don't care, personally, except that we really hate to see people suckered into situations that will likely have a bad outcome.

For those folks who rail about our "toxicity", live how you want--but don't expect me to subsidize it.

Protest away.
Just stay off my lawn.
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2019, 03:36:05 am »
Evaporating it down to the essence: white men (and women of course) made Western civilization.  Western civilization is bad, for a number of reasons, and whatever supports/reminds of/evokes western civ is bad, therefore white male masculinity must be destroyed.

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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2019, 03:43:49 am »
Evaporating it down to the essence: white men (and women of course) made Western civilization.  Western civilization is bad, for a number of reasons, and whatever supports/reminds of/evokes western civ is bad, therefore white male masculinity must be destroyed.
Ayep! And the usual suspects are hammering away at it right now. Unfortunately, if us 'toxic males' stand up for it , it is only further evidence of our toxicity.

Ladies, we could really use your help on this one.
We really are all in this together.
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2019, 03:49:20 am »
Ayep! And the usual suspects are hammering away at it right now. Unfortunately, if us 'toxic males' stand up for it , it is only further evidence of our toxicity.

Ladies, we could really use your help on this one.
We really are all in this together.

You got it.... at least, from me!   :beer:

Anything the left is for, I'm against..... and this feminist, toxic male crap is just more of their BS designed to divide and tear down our nation.
No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2019, 04:29:41 am »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2019, 04:44:45 am »
I count on it.

I know... I get that all the time...  :shrug:


Sorry...

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« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2019, 05:24:10 am »
You got it.... at least, from me!   :beer:

Anything the left is for, I'm against..... and this feminist, toxic male crap is just more of their BS designed to divide and tear down our nation.
Spot on! Conservative ladies understand that we work together to make the world and our kids better. The only way Liberals can make their crap attractive is to burn everything else down. A blue tarp looks like home when all else is ruins.
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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2019, 11:53:36 am »
Spot on! Conservative ladies understand that we work together to make the world and our kids better. The only way Liberals can make their crap attractive is to burn everything else down. A blue tarp looks like home when all else is ruins.

Hell yeah.....barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen is where they belong.....this crap  about women making more than me is embarrassing!!!! They need to know thei place....breastfeeding the babies!! No, wait.....that makes you uncomfortable

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« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2019, 11:56:32 am »
You got it.... at least, from me!   :beer:

Anything the left is for, I'm against..... and this feminist, toxic male crap is just more of their BS designed to divide and tear down our nation.

You remind me of this guy I work with....sounds just like you while signing up his mom for MAhealth and getting here on the state nursing home program

You guys crack me up

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« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2019, 12:30:35 pm »
Hell yeah.....barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen is where they belong.....this crap  about women making more than me is embarrassing!!!! They need to know thei place....breastfeeding the babies!! No, wait.....that makes you uncomfortable
We all have a role to play. Sometimes that is doing the geology in my off 12 hours on an oil rig.

Considering you know nothing about me, you sure are making a lot of assumptions.

What site do you report back to to brag about your trolling here?

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2019, 12:58:06 pm »
Those are observations, of people, of media trends over a few decades. I'm a scientist. I see connections, or at least correlations.

The Disney movie, he Color of Friendship ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213565/ ) was allegedly based on a true story involving the daughter of none other than Ron Dellums. Find out about Ron here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-dellums/ron-dellums-u-s-lawmaker-who-led-push-for-sanctions-against-south-africa-dead-at-82-idUSKBN1KL038
Now that they had their Mandella moment, it's practically open season on white farmers in South Africa, and the nation is on its way to being the next Zimbabwe.

That's just one example. GLBTQXYZ issues, and just about any darling pet project of the liberal left, are broached first in sitcoms and dramas on teevee and movies before the real activists get going. It's as standard as a preparatory bombardment was in the island hopping campaign in the Pacific (WWII).

You are free to ignore the phenomenon if you want, but you can just about tell what the next big liberal push is going to be by watching the 'entertainment' that is offered.

what kind of scientist makes such baseless approximation? are you a witch scientist?

I've been in semiconductor physics for 40 years and I've never used your line of thinking.....nothing would work if I did

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2019, 01:00:34 pm »
We all have a role to play. Sometimes that is doing the geology in my off 12 hours on an oil rig.

Considering you know nothing about me, you sure are making a lot of assumptions.

What site do you report back to to brag about your trolling here?

My response is based on what you said, not who you are.

To be honest, I heard about this place through a New England Patriots forum........I'm just trying to help you

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« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2019, 01:15:44 pm »
what kind of scientist makes such baseless approximation? are you a witch scientist?

I've been in semiconductor physics for 40 years and I've never used your line of thinking.....nothing would work if I did
A scientist who begins his sentences with capital letters. Baseless? Hardly.

I even gave you one specific example, with links, and that's an old one.

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« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2019, 01:20:21 pm »
My response is based on what you said, not who you are.

To be honest, I heard about this place through a New England Patriots forum........I'm just trying to help you
No, your bullshit response was based only on your assumption of what that role would be,
and assumptions about what a Liberal would consider a Conservative's thinking would be.
Your assumptions speak volumes. You have engaged a stereotype that simply doesn't apply, especially to me, and which drips of the ichor of a sanctimonious northeastern liberal.

I really don't need any help from you, but if I do, I'll ask for it.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2019, 01:20:48 pm »
A scientist who begins his sentences with capital letters. Baseless? Hardly.

I even gave you one specific example, with links, and that's an old one.

and then you followed it up with meaningless gibberish.......what was the point of the disney movie? a single instance of a very general topic? the context is shaky

as for my capitalization, or lack of.....who gives a shit

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« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2019, 01:25:18 pm »
No, your bullshit response was based only on your assumption of what that role would be,
and assumptions about what a Liberal would consider a Conservative's thinking would be.
Your assumptions speak volumes. You have engaged a stereotype that simply doesn't apply, especially to me, and which drips of the ichor of a sanctimonious northeastern liberal.

I really don't need any help from you, but if I do, I'll ask for it.

actually, I made one assumption ..... and I bet it's accurate even though I do not know a thing about you

sanctimonious? hardly.....I just have a functioning brain...... it appears you can't tell the difference


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Re: Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2019, 01:27:51 pm »
actually, I made one assumption ..... and I bet it's accurate even though I do not know a thing about you

sanctimonious? hardly.....I just have a functioning brain...... it appears you can't tell the difference

Sinkspur, are you back?