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[Sanguine]

Tomatos, tomahtos. Most people would call them "right wing".

You're basically using a "no true scots" fallacy.

No, I'm being accurate.  Perhaps you're not familiar with that?

[Sanguine]

Myst just posted this one:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338048.0/topicseen.html  LIST: 20 Examples of Democrat Violence Against Republicans

[DCPatriot]

Tomatos, tomahtos. Most people would call them "right wing".

You're basically using a "no true scots" fallacy.

I can understand why a 5 day, 40 hour a week Democrat doesn't associate themselves with Antifa.

It's the same 'concept' used by the typical apolitical, peaceful Muslim.  "We're not for bloody jihad....".

So?  Are we passionate Briefers who've all had their 'Howard Beale' moment and feel ENOUGH is ENOUGH...are we expected to condemn them when the aforementioned  are not??

Bull.  Shit.

[skeeter]

Tomatos, tomahtos. Most people would call them "right wing".

You're basically using a "no true scots" fallacy.

Really. When was the last time you heard a grand wizard hold forth against Faustian Fabian socialism, governmental overreach, or oppressive taxation?

They’re a hate group. Period. Only the left has an interest in conflating them with the political right.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler

Interesting.  You use a site that cites examples of "right wing" violence, including neo-Nazis and KKK members, both of whom are not "right wing" in any way.  Perhaps you are just unaware and misinformed.  They even include the Las Vegas shooter and the incel guy.  How are these even remotely "right-wing"?

But, I'm beginning to understand where your confusion comes from.  The remaining question is why do you post here if you think this is what we are?

@Sanguine I believe Trump's overwhelming support from Stormfront, Richard Spencer, David Duke and other racists was actively pursued by Trump in 2016.  You want to throw out racists as right wing because you don't think they are right wing...I do. 

However, I don't think anyone here is a skinhead, nazi, or kkk.  Thanx for the opportunity to clarify my position.

[dfwgator]

@Sanguine I believe Trump's overwhelming support from Stormfront, Richard Spencer, David Duke and other racists was actively pursued by Trump in 2016.  You want to throw out racists as right wing because you don't think they are right wing...I do. 

However, I don't think anyone here is a skinhead, nazi, or kkk.  Thanx for the opportunity to clarify my position.

We have two parties in this country.  There is no party just for the Kooks,  so they have choose one party or the other.   

[XenaLee]

@Sanguine I believe Trump's overwhelming support from Stormfront, Richard Spencer, David Duke and other racists was actively pursued by Trump in 2016.  You want to throw out racists as right wing because you don't think they are right wing...I do. 

However, I don't think anyone here is a skinhead, nazi, or kkk.  Thanx for the opportunity to clarify my position.

What overwhelming support was that?  Link?  Proof?  Trying to get votes from "everywhere" during a campaign doesn't necessarily count as "overwhelming support", btw.

I happen to think there is a big/huge difference between the two parties re: support of extremists.   Whereas ....I truly believe that the rabid left Democrats approve of and encourage (if not support and fund) Antifa anarchists... which represents the extreme left.

I do not, however, believe that Trump or ANY Republicans support or approve of (much less fund) radical right-wing extremists like the KKK and nazi/skinhead types. 

To be fair... you probably should make that distinction clear, as well.  Right?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

What overwhelming support was that?  Link?  Proof?  Trying to get votes from "everywhere" during a campaign doesn't necessarily count as "overwhelming support", btw.

I don't think @mystery-ak would appreciate me posting a ton of links to neonazi propaganda.  If you really want answers google "richard spencer david duke support Trump" and start reading.

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine I believe Trump's overwhelming support from Stormfront, Richard Spencer, David Duke and other racists was actively pursued by Trump in 2016.  You want to throw out racists as right wing because you don't think they are right wing...I do. 

However, I don't think anyone here is a skinhead, nazi, or kkk.  Thanx for the opportunity to clarify my position.

At least you admit that it is an article of (bad) faith for you, rather than a provable claim. 

[XenaLee]

I don't think @mystery-ak would appreciate me posting a ton of links to neonazi propaganda.  If you really want answers google "richard spencer david duke support Trump" and start reading.

Uhhh..... but.... the issue wasn't that they support Trump.  You were essentially claiming that Trump supports (by seeking their support) neonazis, racists and skinheads.   Right?   

I mean... how can a candidate or president control who or what supports him...?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

At least you admit that it is an article of (bad) faith for you, rather than a provable claim.

I actually believe it's a generally accept point I have no need to prove, and I gain nothing from arguing the point with you.

[Sanguine]

I actually believe it's a generally accept point I have no need to prove, and I gain nothing from arguing the point with you.

At least the bolded statement is true.

[TomSea]

Calling people racist, the race card, has been so overused, it's largely lost it's effectiveness.

Especially, when so many of us, including the prior President can be called that.... McCain was called that even.

It's become something like crying wolf.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Uhhh..... but.... the issue wasn't that they support Trump.  You were essentially claiming that Trump supports (by seeking their support) neonazis, racists and skinheads.   Right?   

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides'

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/
Trump’s David Duke Amnesia

I mean... how can a candidate or president control who or what supports him...?

Like this...you say "I do remember David Duke...He sucks, and I reject him!"

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/07/us/the-1991-election-louisiana-bush-denounces-duke-as-racist-and-charlatan.html

[XenaLee]

My dad drives a van with NO windows, I doubt it is illegal. Side Mirrors and forward view...  being covered maybe. But being that vans with NO windows are allowed, I doubt they can get you for not having a view.

@Sighlass

This pretty much confirms what I had read elsewhere about how Sayoc's van could have and probably would have been ticketed if he drove the van that way.

There are no regulations prohibiting stickers on side windows or back windshield, however it is recommended to keep it in line with Florida window tint laws.

Technically all stickers can potentially reduce your clear view of the road, therefore an overeager police officers may issue a citation for any non-mandatory window stickers, claiming your vision of the road is reduced or impaired.

https://floridacarlaws.com/window-stickers/

[skeeter]

Uhhh..... but.... the issue wasn't that they support Trump.  You were essentially claiming that Trump supports (by seeking their support) neonazis, racists and skinheads.   Right?   

I mean... how can a candidate or president control who or what supports him...?

He may be referring to candidate Trump pretending to not know who David Duke was. That was difficult for me to accept as well. But to expand that to assert that he sought the support of racists in general is ridiculous in the extreme and an point of view more suited to the hardcore left.

[skeeter]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides'

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/
Trump’s David Duke Amnesia

Like this...you say "I do remember David Duke...He sucks, and I reject him!"

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/07/us/the-1991-election-louisiana-bush-denounces-duke-as-racist-and-charlatan.html

BTW that Atlantic article is flat bullshit. Trump was absolutely correct.

[TomSea]

"Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides'"

It's been proven that not all of those who marched with the white nationalists like Spencer were not Neo-Nazi types.  Now, we have to go back and dig up information to prove this? We have more pressing issues, maybe later.

Some were just concerned about that statue.

[XenaLee]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides'

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/
Trump’s David Duke Amnesia

Like this...you say "I do remember David Duke...He sucks, and I reject him!"

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/07/us/the-1991-election-louisiana-bush-denounces-duke-as-racist-and-charlatan.html

But what about this in that first link???

“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.

“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

[XenaLee]

He may be referring to candidate Trump pretending to not know who David Duke was. That was difficult for me to accept as well. But to expand that to assert that he sought the support of racists in general is ridiculous in the extreme and an point of view more suited to the hardcore left.

Exactly.   As a candidate, it's a given that you accept support from all... all you can get.  Not exactly what I would call a fair assessment of someone's real stance.

[XenaLee]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides'

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/
Trump’s David Duke Amnesia

Like this...you say "I do remember David Duke...He sucks, and I reject him!"

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/07/us/the-1991-election-louisiana-bush-denounces-duke-as-racist-and-charlatan.html

As for the third link.... even Bush had a good point re: Duke.  I'm surprised that you're trying to use David Duke against Trump now, considering what a good point it was.   

Even though Mr. Duke did not seek the endorsement of the state Republican convention last summer and has been repudiated by state and national Republican organizations alike, he calls himself "the Republican candidate" in the governor's race because he is a registered Republican.

[mystery-ak]

I don't think @mystery-ak would appreciate me posting a ton of links to neonazi propaganda.  If you really want answers google "richard spencer david duke support Trump" and start reading.

Please don't..I will just have to delete them

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It's been proven that not all of those who marched with the white nationalists like Spencer were not Neo-Nazi types.  Now, we have to go back and dig up information to prove this? We have more pressing issues, maybe later.

Some were just concerned about that statue.

This is a rally I would not attend even if I loved statues.


This is the time to condemn bigotry and violence, not praise both sides.

[TomSea]

This is a rally I would not attend even if I loved statues.


This is the time to condemn bigotry and violence, not praise both sides.

Yes, we are in a discussion forum. It was thoroughly discussed here, this forum could act as a reference rather than having us reinvent the wheel with an old story.l

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Who does the article say participated in the rally? And NOT the torchlight march from the night before.

The article reads one participating group was the New York Light Foot Militia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Light_Foot_Militia

The group's leader, George Curbelo lives in Delaware County, New York and says that the group has around 250 members who train monthly at firearms, reconnaissance, and navigation. Curbeo says the group does not "support white supremacy" and says that the group includes non-whites and non-Christians.[1]

And MOTHER JONES, posted here before, notoriously left-wing said:

Mother Jones magazine reported that "a group of assault-rifle-toting militia members from New York State, wearing body armor and desert camo, played a more active role in breaking up fights" than police did.[4]

And individuals marched.

I'm sure much more of this can be found. It is surprising that one is holding on to this rally from last year which must have a lot of pages of discussion on.

It's almost like a McCarthy witch hunt to find the racists.

[XenaLee]

Yes, we are in a discussion forum. It was thoroughly discussed here, this forum could act as a reference rather than having us reinvent the wheel with an old story.l

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Who does the article say participated in the rally? And NOT the torchlight march from the night before.

The article reads one participating group was the New York Light Foot Militia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Light_Foot_Militia
And MOTHER JONES, posted here before, notoriously left-wing said:
And individuals marched.

I'm sure much more of this can be found. It is surprising that one is holding on to this rally from last year which must have a lot of pages of discussion on.

It's almost like a McCarthyLeftist witch hunt to find the racists.

There.  Fixed it.