'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide

[INVAR]

God is not arbitrary and cruel.

According to Satan and you, He is.

[Sanguine]

I can accept that.  Fidelity is at the heart of sexual responsibility.   But I cannot accept that, to remain free of sin, a homosexual must marry someone he does not have the capacity to love (in the sexual sense).  If what you suggest is God's will, then a homosexual has no choice but to remain celibate.  (Indeed, there are few things more cruel than to marry someone you do not have the capacity to have a sexual relationship with;  that is cheating one's spouse of something basic to human nature which God commands be exercised within the bounds of monogamy.)

 

Why can't a homosexual love another human being, even if they are a woman?  And, celibacy is indeed an option for many, many of whom are not homosexual.

[Sanguine]

I am not suggesting that folks oppose God's will.  But His will cannot be that a homosexual must marry only a person he cannot have the capacity to love in a sexual sense.  His/her spouse then becomes an innocent victim, cheated of a normal married life and without the ability (without committing the sin of adultery) to seek sexual satisfaction.

And, how did you arrive at this conclusion?

[Sanguine]

According to Satan and you, He is.

Yeah, that's helpful.   

[musiclady]

That is correct.  But you would have me believe that sin is cruel and arbitrary,  and that a homosexual can never avoid sin even within the bounds of faithful marriage.   

No.  That cannot be the will of God.

And yet, it is.

Just as it is the will of God for a single person, no matter how much we love them and want them to be "happy," to abstain from sex.

Some men and women are destined to be celibate.   Does that make God love them less?

Not according to the Christian Scripture (where Paul says it is actually better, so that they can devote themselves to ministry).

You, as other liberals, are putting all your eggs in the basket of human pleasure and saying that God cannot possibly will us to miss out on earthly pleasures.

As always a fundamental and complete lack of understanding of who God is, and what His Word says.

[XenaLee]

Yeah, that's helpful.   

Perhaps....but not as helpful as accusing someone of "judging harshly".   

[Sanguine]

Perhaps....but not as helpful as accusing someone of "judging harshly".   

Only if you've been doing it.    ^-^

[XenaLee]

Only if you've been doing it.    ^-^

Yeah..... I'm getting that impression. 

[Sanguine]

Yeah..... I'm getting that impression.

 

[thackney]

God is not arbitrary and cruel.

No, the "rules" remain constant, changing only with Christ who said:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.  Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

[darroll]

Great idea for some.
I didn't want to go to Vietnam either.

[sneakypete]

No.  Wrong.

The family, specifically the father wires children to accept gender roles, God is NOT the author of sin and perversion.  That you would accuse Him of such speaks to what you are possessed in mind and heart by.

@INVAR

Sexual attraction is genetic,not learned. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us fathers make their children heterosexual or homosexual?

IF there is anything to blame or credit from this other than a chemical reaction at conception,it is your "kind and loving God" that is responsible for it. Man up and admit it.

[sneakypete]

Parents play a huge role in teaching and demonstrating good values, honest and respectful behavior, and the like.   So does churchin'.   But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation),  that's God's doing.   He wires you gay or straight.  After that, it's up to you to live virtuously or sinfully.

@Jazzhead

Nope,it's all due to a freak chemical reaction at conception due to unknown circumstances. There is no rhyme or reason to it,it just happens occasionally.

Granted,there seems to be a LOT of trendy bi-sexuals "coming out of the closet" the last few years. MY opinion on that one is that without question there are genuine transsexuals,but most are just homos looking for attention in this "Brave New World".

[sneakypete]

Gay or straight is a preference made as an adult in the same manner that people prefer certain hair colors or body styles.

God doesn't wire you to be gay...that's uneducated Liberal bullsh*t.

@txradioguy

ROFLMAO! Are you actually claiming that YOU can be a homosexual that gets warm for the form on other men if you wanted?

If you do,I have bad news for you.

[sneakypete]

This is a fact that the homosexuality-is-wired-and-normal crowd would like us all to just ignore.

We are all 'wired' to sin because the first man and woman CHOSE to sin, and we have all chosen the same ever since.

This world is a sin-filled world, and all of it........  ALL of it .......... is man's choice, and not God's choosing.

People with genetic diseases they are born with (NO proof that homosexuality is inborn) were not "wired by God" to have those diseases.

They have them because we live in a fallen world.

@musiclady

ROFLMAO! What part of the universe is your home world located?

[sneakypete]

Are pedophiles wired that way, too?

@dfwgator

Obviously.  So are firebugs,sociopaths,etc,etc,etc. Being wired a certain way does NOT mean you have to obey your urges,and if you do,being born that way in no excuse.

We are ALL born selfish. Babies MUST be selfish to survive. Crying is a way of attracting attention when they need or want something. We are all selfish at core our whole lives,but almost all of us learn to control it and allow room for others to live,also. Even sociopaths understand there is something wrong with them they need to hide in order to remain free,

It's now "how you are born" that matters. What matters is how you develop intellectually and emotionally.

[sneakypete]

What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.

@austingirl

Does that mean people who are born sterile or who are too old to create a child are evil?

[sneakypete]

   And yet, I've witnessed these same leftie idiots claim that there are "gays" in the animal kingdom.   Sublime idiocy.

@XenaLee

There are. I had a couple I was friends with that had a homosexual cocker spaniel. He would hang around females in heat and lick or try to mount the males.

That's the only time I ever saw it,but I did see it.

[sneakypete]

Sin has to do with your behavior, not who you are.   Bible thumpers should tend to their own rotten houses.

@Jazzhead

NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. WHY do you think they are bible thumpers in the first place if not to hope God will cut them some slack for kissing his ass on "The Big Day" they hope and fear he pops up to collect bills due.

[sneakypete]

Well... God didn't wire you to be an asinine FOS leftie.  Yet here you are.

(that's ok, mods..... I'll take this hit.... gladly)

@XenaLee  @Jazzhead

XenaLee,you are confused. YOU are the one wired to be an asinine FOS elitist. Just like all the other Church Ladies.

[sneakypete]

Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.

@skeeter

Hammer,meet nail. What else COULD they be in a world that used to burn them at the stake,and still wants to.

[sneakypete]

I never understood the "born that way" argument.  I think some people are naturally "wired" to respond to conflict with physical violence, is that supposed to make it okay?

@thackney

What sort of "logic" leads you to believe that people who are "born that way",regardless of which way "that" may be are or should be allowed to do anything they want? Are sociopaths free to set nunneries on fire because they happen to like killing people and they LOVE flames?

As for homosexuals,they have EVERY right to live their lives as homosexuals in America,as you do to live your life as a bible-thumping heterosexual. They just don't have a right to force you or anyone else to join in with them or to even like them. ALL you are required to do by a fee society is to just leave them alone. Which is the same burden put on them.

[sneakypete]

You mean you can't become a boy if you're a girl just cause you wanna be a boy? (Or your parents want you to be neuter??)

I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya...... SHOCKED!

@musiclady

Are you now trying to claim there were never any hermaphrodites in all of history?

Not that it matters much. You and the other church ladies,primarily you,have shrieked and howled your hatred,and by now you are already complaining to the mods that people are "being hateful to me" in order to get the last word and get the thread shut down.

You did this same crap on FR,and you will do it again on the next board you go on because you just HAVE to do your little "superiority dance" to "prove" you are "better" than others.

[sneakypete]

I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.

@Sanguine    @Jazzhead

Yes,he does.

In addition to a HELL of a lot more patience than I have.

[XenaLee]

XenaLee,you are confused. YOU are the one wired to be an asinine FOS elitist. Just like all the other Church Ladies.

Me?  An elitist?  Or a Church Lady?   

HAhahahaha!   You have no idea how really clueless you are.

Talk about being FOS....

you just won that prize, hands down.

Congrats!