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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #175 on: July 27, 2018, 01:33:32 am »
YAY!!!!  I found another thread where JH tells us what an amazing, top notch conservative he is and then proceeds to spout nothing but leftist claptrap!  No day is complete without more of this inanity!

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« Reply #176 on: July 27, 2018, 01:34:56 am »
Well, I agree with that. Just ship their asses home.

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #177 on: July 27, 2018, 01:36:57 am »
And yet, it is.

Just as it is the will of God for a single person, no matter how much we love them and want them to be "happy," to abstain from sex.

Some men and women are destined to be celibate.   Does that make God love them less?

Not according to the Christian Scripture (where Paul says it is actually better, so that they can devote themselves to ministry).

You, as other liberals, are putting all your eggs in the basket of human pleasure and saying that God cannot possibly will us to miss out on earthly pleasures.

As always a fundamental and complete lack of understanding of who God is, and what His Word says.

Your moral certitude is unbecoming.   Humility is a virtue, isn't it? 

The Bible can IMO be reasonably read to condemn the commission by heterosexuals of homosexual acts.   That is abnormal sexuality, unconducive to the reproductive survival of the tribe,  and is condemned for reasons similar to why heterosexual adultery is condemned. 

But such acts are normal for the homosexual, with the abnormal act being the taking of a wife and denying her of a basic human need that can only be partaken, so says the Lord, within the confines of marriage.    I see no reason,  therefore, to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary,  arbitrary and cruel,  that prescibes no possible way for the homosexual to act in the way he is wired without committng sin.   

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #178 on: July 27, 2018, 01:38:00 am »
Sexual attraction is genetic,not learned. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us fathers make their children heterosexual or homosexual?

Yup.  That's what I'm telling you.  Fathers set the gender roles of their offspring.  Daddies teach their girls how to become ladies, and boys how to become men.

You're a smart guy and logical if anything else.  You don't see any cultural correlation with single mom households, absentee fatherhood and the rise of gender and sexual confusion in this country?

I do.

IF there is anything to blame or credit from this other than a chemical reaction at conception,it is your "kind and loving God" that is responsible for it. Man up and admit it.

Now now Pete, why ascribe blame to a Being you admit you do not believe in?

Like I said on another thread, when I was about 12, I was "in love" with my best pal.  It wasn't sexual - but I've read a lot of homosexuals share a similar experience to describe themselves as always having been 'wired' homosexual.   However, I had a Dad and extended family that steered me into the right and proper direction when it came to sex and attraction and responsibilities.  I was not encouraged to go and find myself or figure it out for myself.  I was taught what was right, what was wrong, both in terms of religion - and then later when I was an Atheist  - via science and culture.

Sexual behavior is a choice.  When you are urged to go and kill the moron who just cut you off in traffic - but you know that murder is wrong - you steer yourself away from acting on those urges.  When you are married with kids and you are attracted to your neighbor's wife - you avoid putting yourself in a situation to act on it - because you know it is wrong - even if you are attracted to her.

You can either feed attractions and urges, or practice self control.  Often, environments expose us to attractions and behaviors that are downright bizarre, dangerous and evil.  Going down that path - you become what those attractions offer.

You should read up on sexual addictions.  It's fascinating.  Porn addiction in particular. 

Most men attempting to overcome sexual addictions or homosexuality in counseling almost all state that lack of a father-figure at home, and their exposure to pornography and illicit lifestyles opened them up to more depraved attractions and behaviors in order to achieve orgasm.  It's like drug addicts who constantly need to use heavier and more exotic drugs to get high.  The brain works the same way with sex.  The more exposure to bizarre sex, the more perverse and outrageous the behavior becomes - until it literally becomes who they are and literally screws with the middle of the brain, moreso than even heroin.

Either a behavior is right and good, or it is wrong with consequences that follow.  Doing what feels good and satisfies the self - is the way human nature works.  Morality is when we do not follow what satisfies the flesh, but satisfies either our faith, family or duty.  Often all 3 at once.
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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #179 on: July 27, 2018, 01:44:49 am »
Your moral certitude is unbecoming. 

Your lying and deceit to pass yourself off as something you are not is yours.

See, unlike you - Pete here and I are on opposite ends of the religion spectrum in terms of understanding.  But unlike you - I LIKE Pete.  I understand Pete.  I know where Pete is coming from and he has been brutally honest about who he is, what he thinks and why.

Pete illustrates logic in his thinking and takes the time to at least consider a logical or scientific explanation for things.  He does not pass himself off as something he is not.  Even though his contempt for religion is made very manifest here.  But I understand why he has that contempt, and history teaches him those lessons which are inarguable.

Pete is not attempting to deceive as you are.  Pete is Pete, and I respect him light years ahead of the likes of you.

You on the other hand, have no such virtue or honesty.  You lie about who and what you are, even though your own words and advocacies reveal what you are and what you really are all about - even though you continue to lie daily about it.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #180 on: July 27, 2018, 01:45:41 am »

Sexual behavior is a choice.

But sexual orientation is not.   And it is destructive force a homosexual to marry a member of the opposite gender.
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« Reply #181 on: July 27, 2018, 01:47:02 am »
Your lying and deceit to pass yourself off as something you are not is yours.

See, unlike you - Pete here and I are on opposite ends of the religion spectrum in terms of understanding.  But unlike you - I LIKE Pete.  I understand Pete.  I know where Pete is coming from and he has been brutally honest about who he is, what he thinks and why.

Pete illustrates logic in his thinking and takes the time to at least consider a logical or scientific explanation for things.  He does not pass himself off as something he is not.  Even though his contempt for religion is made very manifest here.  But I understand why he has that contempt, and history teaches him those lessons which are inarguable.

Pete is not attempting to deceive as you are.  Pete is Pete, and I respect him light years ahead of the likes of you.

You on the other hand, have no such virtue or honesty.  You lie about who and what you are, even though your own words and advocacies reveal what you are and what you really are all about - even though you continue to lie daily about it.

Oh good.  We have someone here who can look into the hearts of others and determine what is there. 

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« Reply #182 on: July 27, 2018, 01:51:48 am »
But sexual orientation is not.   And it is destructive force a homosexual to marry a member of the opposite gender.

Like I said earlier, you might be oriented to be a violent persona, a mass rapist or a murderer too - and yet, one usually exercises self-control to put those desires down and work to eradicate them from being something you will act upon.

But should the day come that rape and murder become acceptable in a society, someone like you will argue that their behavioral orientation to violence is not a choice either.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #183 on: July 27, 2018, 01:53:04 am »
Oh good.  We have someone here who can look into the hearts of others and determine what is there.

Where do you get that from?  Pete and I have had a few conversations and arguments.

Same with our resident leftist.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (or types).  Ever hear of that proverb?

I judge them based on what they have said.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #184 on: July 27, 2018, 01:55:40 am »
Where do you get that from?  Pete and I have had a few conversations and arguments.

Same with our resident leftist.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (or types).  Ever hear of that proverb?

I judge them based on what they have said.

Invar, you've lost all credibility with me.  You don't appear to be what you want us to believe you to be. 

But, I'm not important and you will dismiss whatever I say if it doesn't comport with what you want to hear.

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #185 on: July 27, 2018, 01:57:16 am »
Invar, you've lost all credibility with me.  You don't appear to be what you want us to believe you to be. 

But, I'm not important and you will dismiss whatever I say if it doesn't comport with what you want to hear.

WTH?????

How about look to the substance of what I post here?
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #186 on: July 27, 2018, 02:05:36 am »
WTH?????

How about look to the substance of what I post here?

I did, and that's what brought me to that conclusion. That ol' 2 x 4 in your eye is so big you can't see a thing around it.

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« Reply #187 on: July 27, 2018, 02:22:39 am »
I did, and that's what brought me to that conclusion. That ol' 2 x 4 in your eye is so big you can't see a thing around it.

Make sure you put me on ignore then.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #188 on: July 27, 2018, 02:25:21 am »
Make sure you put me on ignore then.

You could actually think about what I (and others have) said.  Could be useful.  Either way, may God continue to bless you and may you (and I) gain needed wisdom.

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« Reply #189 on: July 27, 2018, 02:32:29 am »
Your moral certitude is unbecoming.   Humility is a virtue, isn't it? 

The Bible can IMO be reasonably read to condemn the commission by heterosexuals of homosexual acts.   That is abnormal sexuality, unconducive to the reproductive survival of the tribe,  and is condemned for reasons similar to why heterosexual adultery is condemned. 

But such acts are normal for the homosexual, with the abnormal act being the taking of a wife and denying her of a basic human need that can only be partaken, so says the Lord, within the confines of marriage.    I see no reason,  therefore, to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary,  arbitrary and cruel,  that prescibes no possible way for the homosexual to act in the way he is wired without committng sin.   

Any certitude I have is in God, His Son Jesus, and His word.

You, on the other hand are certain that the way you feel about things is the way things are.

Between the two of us, YOU are the one who is self-righteous and arrogant.

It is not pride that I am expressing.  It is the assurance that God is faithful, and His word is true.

I'm sorry you can't deal with that and prefer your own mind to the mind of God, but no insult of yours will keep me from trusting in my Creator, in His will, or in His law.

Some food for thought from the sinner, David (Psalm 19: 7-14):

7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
    refreshing the soul.
   The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
    making wise the simple.

8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
    giving joy to the heart.
   The commands of the Lord are radiant,
    giving light to the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
    enduring forever.
   The decrees of the Lord are firm,
    and all of them are righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold,
     than much pure gold;
    they are sweeter than honey,
     than honey from the honeycomb.

11 By them your servant is warned;
    in keeping them there is great reward.

12 But who can discern their own errors?
      Forgive my hidden faults.

13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;
      may they not rule over me.
     Then I will be blameless,
      innocent of great transgression.

14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart
      be pleasing in your sight,
     Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #190 on: July 27, 2018, 02:35:00 am »
You could actually think about what I (and others have) said.  Could be useful.  Either way, may God continue to bless you and may you (and I) gain needed wisdom.

Since I've lost all credibility with you over the things I have written today, putting me on ignore is the best advice I can offer.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: 'Boy or girl?' Parents raising 'theybies' let kids decide
« Reply #191 on: July 27, 2018, 02:41:54 am »
Since I've lost all credibility with you over the things I have written today, putting me on ignore is the best advice I can offer.

Yes, but it's not up to you.

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« Reply #192 on: July 27, 2018, 03:23:39 am »
……..AND 191posts later, has anyone's mind been changed?

Any new members added, to any flocks?

Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?
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« Reply #193 on: July 27, 2018, 03:29:46 am »
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The Law of the Lord is perfect

I agree!  Without a doubt.  And that is why I decline to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary, arbitrary and cruel,  that prescribes no possible way for a homosexual to act in accordance with way he was wired without committing sin.   
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« Reply #194 on: July 27, 2018, 03:32:05 am »
……..AND 191posts later, has anyone's mind been changed?

Any new members added, to any flocks?

Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?

@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.

That's making inroads.   ^-^

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« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2018, 03:35:32 am »

Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?

Biblical Apologetics as a martial art form in defense of the Faith against attempts to circumvent the Word of God and blame Him for causing people to be 'wired' to commit sin was displayed today.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2018, 03:38:00 am »
@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.

That's making inroads.   ^-^

If only the rest of you that are so put off by what I write would do the same.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2018, 03:42:05 am »
@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.

That's making inroads.   ^-^

Nope, Invar can't make me do anything.   :silly:

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« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2018, 03:43:27 am »
If only the rest of you that are so put off by what I write would do the same.

That could be a learning moment, Invar.  Maybe you shouldn't try so hard to put people off.  Not a very persuasive or informative tactic.

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« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2018, 03:05:52 pm »
@austingirl
I said:
What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.
You answered:
Does that mean people who are born sterile or who are too old to create a child are evil?
@sneakypete
Your argument is an epic logic fail. Homosexuals deliberately and willfully perform a mockery of the act that creates life. To compare that with physical issues of heterosexual is specious.
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