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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2018, 09:57:24 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on February 15, 2018, 02:46:46 pm
Stick your collective head in the sand all you want to; that won’t stop it from coming, itll just mean you have no input on the final result.

We will have absolutely no input on the final result of where we will be taken regardless of whether or not we surrender our rights in advance - simply because the mob demands we surrender to totalitarianism.

You can advocate incremental surrender to despotism because it is going to be inevitable all you like.

Most of us are going to refuse to take part in our own enslavement to tyranny by disarming ourselves and handing government even more power to intrude upon and police our lives.

But like I suggested on the other thread - you push for this - precedent being set - the First Amendment will be the next target to be advocated be surrendered to get rid of the scourge of hate speech and hate-beliefs which is where gun violence originates.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2018, 11:41:10 pm »
Many western European countries have strict laws about citizens owning firearms. The citizenry is for the most part effectively defenseless against a tyrannical government.
Of course, the liberal citizens of the countries say it can't happen in their countries...they're democracies.  They say that as they allow numerous people from countries with no history of democracy and no interest in assimilating into their new countries.
In fifty years a number of western European countries will be majority Muslim.  What will the non-Muslim citizens do when the Muslim majority demands sharia for the country? They'll meekly submit that's what. They'll be dhimmis for the rest of their miserable lives.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2018, 11:52:55 pm »
Quote from: thackney on February 15, 2018, 09:43:07 pm
Being 19 wasn't the cause of this guy's problems and his willingness to kill innocent people.  He wasn't going to become magically safe when he turned 21.


If anything, he'd have 3 more years to be a loser, get fired multiple times, stew about it, and do something then.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2018, 11:56:14 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on February 15, 2018, 02:46:46 pm
Stick your collective head in the sand all you want to; that won’t stop it from coming, itll just mean you have no input on the final result.

Kinda like all the input we had on Obamacare?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2018, 11:58:26 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 15, 2018, 11:56:14 pm
Kinda like all the input we had on Obamacare?

Yeah... that.

Or border security.

Or spending.

Or taxation.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2018, 12:03:36 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 15, 2018, 11:56:14 pm
Kinda like all the input we had on Obamacare?


No kidding.  I lived in Ohio at the time.  Obama won the state twice.  However, when the insurance mandate was put to a state ballot, it was voted down by 66% of the electorate.  It still got enforced, anyway.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2018, 12:39:39 am »
Quote from: skeeter on February 15, 2018, 03:06:15 pm
....Why did the DOD not flag Kelly, the Texas Church shooter as being not eligible to own a firearm?...

Just on this point, the DOD has since increased the number of flags from 7000 to 11000 (per my husband -- I'll ask him where the numbers come from).  It looks like the military doesn't (didn't?) take these warnings seriously enough.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2018, 12:41:05 am »
Quote from: skeeter on February 15, 2018, 02:48:50 pm
Background checks, ten day waiting periods, gun free school zones.

A guy threatens to shoot up a school and the FBI is warned.

Still he manages to kill 17 kids.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over expecting different results each time.

Laws won't fix this problem.

In FL there is no waiting period to buy a rifle/AR15.  Only a handgun. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- this seems really stupid.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2018, 12:42:14 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 12:41:05 am
In FL there is no waiting period to buy a rifle/AR15.  Only a handgun. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- this seems really stupid.


I did
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2018, 12:43:50 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 15, 2018, 03:40:02 pm
How is a teenager allowed to purchase a gun??

A teenager in FL can't buy a handgun.  Only a rifle/AR15.   Which is ridiculous to me.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2018, 12:47:44 am »
Quote from: Restored on February 15, 2018, 03:43:44 pm
Because the military can hand you a machine gun at 18. 18 year olds are adults. But you have to be 21 to buy a pistol.

If this guy was being treated for a severe mental illness, it should have been illegal for him to have a gun.

President Trump signed a repeal of an Obama era check on mentally ill individuals owning guns.  It had just gone into effect in December 2017 (sorry, 2016).
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2018, 12:47:52 am »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 16, 2018, 12:42:14 am

I did
That's what I've been asking all day.  Where were the security measures to keep nuts like him from entering?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2018, 12:48:41 am »
Quote from: thackney on February 15, 2018, 09:43:07 pm
Being 19 wasn't the cause of this guy's problems and his willingness to kill innocent people.  He wasn't going to become magically safe when he turned 21.

True.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2018, 12:52:12 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 15, 2018, 04:21:35 pm
What does this babble have to do with limiting gun purchases for teenagers?

I largely agree with you.  But I can understand buying a shotgun or rifle for hunting at 18.  An AR15 seems like overkill, no pun intended.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2018, 12:55:16 am »
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2018, 01:03:29 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 12:47:44 am
President Trump signed a repeal of an Obama era check on mentally ill individuals owning guns.  It had just gone into effect in December 2017.


That's bullshit.  This is a question and has been a question on the background check form for as long as I've been old enough to buy a handgun.

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Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2018, 01:05:16 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 12:43:50 am
A teenager in FL can't buy a handgun.  Only a rifle/AR15.   Which is ridiculous to me.

I agree.  An 18 year old should be able to buy a handgun also if they want to and are otherwise legally able to.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2018, 01:15:14 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 12:47:44 am
President Trump signed a repeal of an Obama era check on mentally ill individuals owning guns.  It had just gone into effect in December 2017.

The rule never actually went into effect.. and it wouldn't have affected Cruz's ability to buy an AR.  And I hope Trump eliminates or rescinds ALL of the Obama regulations and rules. 
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2018, 01:28:18 am »
    @Wingnut You are way out of line if you are inferring that @LauraTXNM is anything other than a New Member worthy of all of ours respect. Your attitude is incomprehensible, to me anyway.


    Laura you have officially meet one of the curmudgeons here (there's not many), The rest of US Love you and give you the benefit of the doubt as a Newbie.   
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2018, 01:33:24 am »
Quote from: goatprairie on February 16, 2018, 12:47:52 am
That's what I've been asking all day.  Where were the security measures to keep nuts like him from entering?

This, too!
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2018, 01:34:38 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 16, 2018, 01:05:16 am
I agree.  An 18 year old should be able to buy a handgun also if they want to and are otherwise legally able to.

Do you have any idea why they created the different rules?
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2018, 01:35:58 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on February 16, 2018, 01:03:29 am

That's bullshit.  This is a question and has been a question on the background check form for as long as I've been old enough to buy a handgun.

Does a background check access that info, in case the purchaser lies?  If a crazy person is buying a gun, I'm not sure why s/he'd tell the truth on the form.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2018, 01:39:38 am »
Quote from: goatprairie on February 16, 2018, 12:47:52 am
That's what I've been asking all day.  Where were the security measures to keep nuts like him from entering?

I want to know what the hell this school's Principal, teachers were doing?.  Did any one of them notify any authority about the email blast warning teachers about this ex-student?  Was it even discussed?

They clearly didn't increase security.
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2018, 01:44:25 am »
Quote from: corbe on February 16, 2018, 01:28:18 am
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Re: Fla. shooting survivor pleads for gun control: ‘We are children, you guys are the adults’
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2018, 01:45:12 am »
Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 16, 2018, 01:34:38 am
Do you have any idea why they created the different rules?

Concealability
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