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We’ve gone from hard left, under Obama, to hard right, under Trump. Judge the ideologies by results.
« on: January 07, 2018, 05:44:18 pm »
National Review by Victor Davis Hanson 1/2/2018

Most new administrations do not really completely overturn their predecessors’ policies to enact often-promised ideologically driven change.

The 18-year span of Harry Truman to Dwight Eisenhower to John F. Kennedy was mostly a continuum from center-left to center-right, back to center-left. Kennedy was probably as hawkish and as much of a tax cutter as was Eisenhower.

The seven years of Jerry Ford to Jimmy Carter were a similar transition — or even the twelve years of George H. W. Bush to Bill Clinton. The deck chairs changed, but the ship sailed in mostly the same manner to mostly the same direction.

Even the supposed great divide of 1981 did not mean that Jimmy Carter had been as left-wing as Ronald Reagan was right-wing. Carter’s fight against inflation and renewed defense build-up was continued in part by Reagan. George W. Bush was not as markedly right-wing as Barack Obama was clearly left-wing. In sum, there have rarely been back-to-back complete reversals in presidential agendas.

More: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455051/trump-obama-compare-results





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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 08:19:32 pm »
Great article, @Elderberry   Thank you for the post.

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To those who think that Trump’s personality makes him an unrepresentative avatar of conservatism, his supporters would say, “Persuade us that better conservative messengers could have been elected in 2016 America — and that they would have governed to the right of Trump in his first year.” Like it or not, Trump turned out to be a hard-core conservative, and yet one whose rhetoric, comportment, and feistiness appealed to people who had never before voted for hard-core conservative agendas.


Surprising that such an article was at National Review.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 08:22:04 pm »
Trump is not hard right.

Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 08:25:40 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 07, 2018, 08:22:04 pm
Trump is not hard right.

Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.

How so? @Cripplecreek
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 08:26:41 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2018, 08:25:40 pm
How so? @Cripplecreek

Why didn’t you just post “tl;dr”.  Would have been easier for you.
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Re: We’ve gone from hard left, under Obama, to hard right, under Trump. Judge the ideologies by resu
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 07, 2018, 08:22:04 pm
Trump is not hard right.

Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.

Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html

Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 08:35:32 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html

Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.

Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.

Nope
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 08:49:13 pm »
Quote from: anubias on January 07, 2018, 08:19:32 pm
Great article, @Elderberry   Thank you for the post.

Surprising that such an article was at National Review.

There was an article posted on Facebook today talking about how National Review has finally decided to accept Trump and approve of much of his doing so far.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 08:50:00 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html

Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.

 :thumbsup:  Good find!
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 08:50:20 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html

Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.

Exactly, XenaLee.  But logic does not appeal to NTers.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 08:51:03 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html

Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.


Because today’s liberals have gone far beyond the left of center progressivism of TR.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 08:51:31 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 07, 2018, 08:35:32 pm
Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.

Nope

Can you post without insulting other posters?  Haven't seen it yet.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 08:52:34 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 07, 2018, 08:51:03 pm
Because today’s liberals have gone far beyond the left of center progressivism of TR.

Exactly.  Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK.  They are the party of Bernie now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 08:53:49 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on January 07, 2018, 08:52:34 pm
Exactly.  Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK.  They are the party of Bernie now.

That doesn’t necessarily make the progressivism of TR acceptable, however.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 08:54:56 pm »
In One Big Week, Trump Delivers for Conservatives
Politico, Jan 5, 2018, DANNY VINIK

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298442.0.html
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 10:32:59 pm »
I don't consider Trump far right, but he's been more to the right than 'W' or Bush Sr and he's keeping the liberals in a frenzy.  All in all, I think Trump had a good first year.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 10:35:22 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on January 07, 2018, 08:52:34 pm
Exactly.  Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK.  They are the party of Bernie now.

They are the party of Ellison
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 10:38:20 pm »
Quote from: anubias on January 07, 2018, 08:19:32 pm
Great article, @Elderberry   Thank you for the post.

Surprising that such an article was at National Review.

Right especially since Bill Kristol wasn't exactly on board with Trump. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 10:43:19 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 07, 2018, 08:35:32 pm
Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.

Nope

Nope answer the simple question that was posed to you twice above responding to your knee jerk, low level post calling Donny a Progressive. You have all the bandwidth in the world here to start listing all these Progressive policies that he has enacted in just one short year. I'm sure Nope you can bang out at least 20 or so in short order.  Nope
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Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Nope Nope.

Nope. Nope Nope Nope dirty bastard.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 11:12:32 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2018, 11:10:43 pm
Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Nope Nope.

Nope. Nope Nope Nope dirty bastard.

@Frank Cannon
You musta used the word liberal, or maybe Michigan
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 11:14:08 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on January 07, 2018, 11:12:32 pm
@Frank Cannon
You musta used the word liberal, or maybe Michigan

No. I just used the words Nope Nope Nope Nope.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 11:14:41 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2018, 11:14:08 pm
No. I just used the words Nope Nope Nope Nope.

@Frank Cannon  nope nope

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Re: We’ve gone from hard left, under Obama, to hard right, under Trump. Judge the ideologies by resu
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 11:58:12 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2018, 10:43:19 pm
You have all the bandwidth in the world here to start listing all these Progressive policies that he has enacted in just one short year.

Clever way of stating it, to weasel out of addressing his protection of progressivism, such as punting on his promise to repeal DACA "on Day One".

Another $1,000,000,000 more infrastructure expenditures is another biggie.  He's a modern-day Bilbo (Theodore, not Baggins).

Then look at his attacks on free trade.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 01:22:01 am »
Quote from: XenaLee on January 07, 2018, 08:28:55 pm
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.


A better idea would be to get able bodied people off Medicaid as it was already fiscally strained before the new sign ups under Obamacare

This is part of the problem. The GOP doesn't reverse leftist  policies. They just make them a little bit "less leftist"
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