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The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« on: August 26, 2017, 12:08:17 am »
Okay - we're going to try this again.  Reposting the topic after nitwits succeeded in getting the original thread of 770 replies shut down.


When Angelo Codevilla speaks, I listen.

The Conservative's Conservative knows and understands what most true Conservatives already know, and he lays it all out here in unassailable logic.

And I wholeheartedly concur with his suggestion, because...

...he is right.  The Republican Party is no longer a viable party for Conservatives.  It is a Liberal/Democrat Party and no longer serves the interests of limited government, the Constitution or individual responsibility.


Replacing the Republican Party
America needs a virile alternative to the present mess

Having refused to repeal Obamacare, the Republican Party is dead, as was the Whig Party in 1854 after it colluded in the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act which opened these territories to slavery.

Republican majorities in both Houses of Congress as well as control of legislatures and governorships in 26 states veil the fact that, in 2017, there are no longer reasons to vote Republican any more than there were to vote Whig after 1854.

... opposition to the Democratic Party has no viable political vehicle. The Whigs, like today’s Republicans, contained a substantial percentage of prominent people whose interests and ideas are hardly distinguishable from those of Democrats.

...there is no doubt that today’s America is ruled by a single ruling party and that the Republican Party is part of that party rather than an alternative to it.

Why vote Republican when that results, rhetoric aside, in being governed as by Democrats? America needs a true alternative to our ruling Uni-party, a true second party.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2017, 12:11:33 am »
Could it be time to move continuing this discussion to Members Only??

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 12:14:19 am »
Thank you for reposting. @INVAR

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 12:27:39 am »
Could it be time to move continuing this discussion to Members Only??

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How about no?

I know you party hacks tried desperately to get the original shut down via various methods and attempts.

I'll just keep reposting it in Politics - where the topic belongs, because we're discussing the need to replace the Republican party.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 12:32:51 am »
   @INVAR it was me, harping on an inconvenient Subject that got your GREAT Thread shut down, and I apologize (done a lot of that today, apologizing, JS).
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 12:36:06 am »
   @INVAR it was me, harping on an inconvenient Subject that got your GREAT Thread shut down, and I apologize (done a lot of that today, apologizing, JS).

You can't apologize to Invar, I already did.  It was my fault, though I'm only sorry for the thread being closed and not for what I said.

Anywho, I do not understand this being in the Members Only area.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 12:39:47 am »
It's a shame that the topic got derailed. While the Republican Party no longer represents me, it still is home to some true constitutional conservatives like Cruz and Lee.  If Cruz decides to go for it and lead a crusade of conservative politicians to another party, I would gladly support the idea. I highly doubt it likely; he of anyone would know the enormous odds against a 3rd party win and the enormous risk.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 12:46:32 am »
   To be clear here, Briefers we've already covered everything but Pecan Pie recipes and why the 'GOP should be Replaced', Carry On.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 02:54:09 am »
You can't apologize to Invar, I already did.  It was my fault, though I'm only sorry for the thread being closed and not for what I said.

Anywho, I do not understand this being in the Members Only area.

Because when threads turn into a stupid bitchfest it is an embarrassment to the rest of the members and the management.

This place is great for not banning people. And has great people posting. For the most part.

Maybe we need a Bitchfest Thread. Members can go there and rail against each other all they want. The sordid underbelly of TBR.

A nice feature for the mods would be to set all replies from a poster be redirected to the Bitchfest Thread when they get like that. see if they can take a hint.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 03:09:34 am »
Because when threads turn into a stupid bitchfest it is an embarrassment to the rest of the members and the management.

This place is great for not banning people. And has great people posting. For the most part.

Maybe we need a Bitchfest Thread. Members can go there and rail against each other all they want. The sordid underbelly of TBR.

A nice feature for the mods would be to set all replies from a poster be redirected to the Bitchfest Thread when they get like that. see if they can take a hint.

That's fine, except there's bitching all over the place, from all of us at one point or another.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 03:11:23 am »
That's fine, except there's bitching all over the place, from all of us at one point or another.

True. But not enough to get threads locked.

I think there are a few who insist on it. Repeatedly. I don't mean you.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 03:12:35 am »
Anywho, I do not understand this being in the Members Only area.

Because our resident Republican Party hack and Always Trumper demanded it be moved out of Politics and into Members Only the moment I reposted this thread - so it can be buried and silenced, which is what they and Liberals like them are all about: silencing and marginalizing their critics so they can have a safe space all to themselves.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 05:18:57 am »
It's a shame that the topic got derailed. While the Republican Party no longer represents me, it still is home to some true constitutional conservatives like Cruz and Lee.  If Cruz decides to go for it and lead a crusade of conservative politicians to another party, I would gladly support the idea. I highly doubt it likely; he of anyone would know the enormous odds against a 3rd party win and the enormous risk.
I'll play. If another party is a good idea, why haven't the likes of Cruz already either gone that route, talked abut it or threatened it?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 05:49:04 am »
I'll play. If another party is a good idea, why haven't the likes of Cruz already either gone that route, talked abut it or threatened it?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Translation:  You will eat our shit sandwich, and you will like our shit sandwich, because you got nowhere else to go for a sandwich, period.

At some point even the Colonists realized that trying to work within tyrannical corruption was an exercise in futility, and separation was necessary for liberty to survive.

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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 06:25:26 am »
I'll play. If another party is a good idea, why haven't the likes of Cruz already either gone that route, talked abut it or threatened it?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

Answer: It is not a good idea.

Doesn't matter. You're not getting my vote anymore anyway. Nor anyone else I can influence.
And whether Cruz or not, the GOP will stifle conservatives anyway, so there is no percentage in the Republican party whatsoever.

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2017, 06:42:23 am »
Doesn't matter. You're not getting my vote anymore anyway. Nor anyone else I can influence.
And whether Cruz or not, the GOP will stifle conservatives anyway, so there is no percentage in the Republican party whatsoever.
I vote only for individuals who pass muster, or no one at all, if they don't. Lie to me and you'll never have my vote again, unless I catch it the first time, and then 'again' won't factor in.

I am just sick of being told how the GOP is going to do a pile of Conservative things, when I'd just be happier if they would only roll back the last round of totalitarian crap the Democrats heaped on us. Somehow, that never gets done, which has convinced me after a few decades that most of them are in cahoots with the Democrats, and just full of shit in election years. The Democrats don't bother to go through the playacting, and expose that they are just full of shit all the time, but that's because of what they stand for, not the things they promise nor the lies they tell like most of the Republicans.

I don't choose lesser evils if I have the choice to choose otherwise, or not choose at all, so all those Leftists can KMA.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2017, 12:05:22 pm »
I guess what galls me and I have a hard time accepting is that true conservatism as a poitical stance, is dead.
Reagan democrats are dead.
The moral majority is dead.
The millions of people who flocked to Trumps' standard are not consrvatives no matter how much they would like to stylize themselves as being conservatives.

Conservatism for the vast majority exists only as an ideal. An ideal politicians flock to to to garner the votes of the people who think they themselves are. But none of them are. Politicians or voters.

The election of Trump proves that.

And after the e lection(s) everyone runs back to their ideological corners.

The tyranny of the majority is what people say will happen if the Republican party conservatives try to fom a new party even if they try to recruit those Reagan Democrats. But that won't happen. It can't happen.

Because the tyranny of the majority already exists. We suffer fom it now.

Ring around the rosy.

And you all know how that ends.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2017, 12:39:46 pm »
If it were mandatory that all ballots include a "None of the Above" selection, it would solve the problem of electing the lesser of two evils. If "None of the Above" were to win, a new election would commence and the losing candidates would be forbidden to run again.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2017, 04:29:00 pm »
I guess what galls me and I have a hard time accepting is that true conservatism as a poitical stance, is dead.
Reagan democrats are dead.
The moral majority is dead.
The millions of people who flocked to Trumps' standard are not consrvatives no matter how much they would like to stylize themselves as being conservatives.

Conservatism for the vast majority exists only as an ideal. An ideal politicians flock to to to garner the votes of the people who think they themselves are. But none of them are. Politicians or voters.

The election of Trump proves that.

And after the e lection(s) everyone runs back to their ideological corners.

The tyranny of the majority is what people say will happen if the Republican party conservatives try to fom a new party even if they try to recruit those Reagan Democrats. But that won't happen. It can't happen.

Because the tyranny of the majority already exists. We suffer fom it now.

Ring around the rosy.

And you all know how that ends.

I accept that statement as undeniably true.  We are no longer a people bound by common foundations, nor do we even agree on what the definition of liberty is.   The vast, vast majority of the population - INCLUDING those in the Republican Party are Liberals and Socialists who believe better managed government statism is the answer to all the woes we have earned as a consequence for abandoning our foundational principles for political power and expedience.

So do we JOIN the statists who use the Republican Party to beguile and convince voters during campaign season they will work to reduce the iron fist of government and get that monkey off our backs, when they have absolutely no intention of doing so?  Do we remain in a party taken over by Democrats and run by the Rockefeller Oligarchy that never saw a tax or regulation it did not like and approve?

The big fat giant lie is that the "best hope to affect change for Conservatism is in the GOP". NO, IT IS NOT. The fruits of the party already speak to that lie.  The best hope for liberals to convert Conservatives to Socialism is within the Republican Party.   We have already witnessed that they will marginalize and silence anyone not towing the Oligarchy's agenda.  They will actually work with Democrats to unseat those out of favor with the leadership, and prop up corrupt cronyists over grassroots solid Conservatives.  Money and lobbyist funding does all the talking.  The voters are cattle to be used and abused and those daring to demand the GOP make good on their promises are held in public contempt by the leadership and most of the party membership.  They rewrote the rules to ensure they are never challenged, and leadership is only awarded via the grooming of the current McConnell popery, who will destroy and work with Democrats to destroy those who are not loyal to him.

We cannot politically overcome the overwhelming numbers of Liberal-Leftists who now dominate the political spectrum at this time.  Conservatism and Foundational Principles have to be retaught and generations of Americans have to be deprogrammed of an entire life of Socialist indoctrination.  When lifelong Republicans begin to lecture you on the need for ObamaCare and why getting rid of it is political suicide, one recognizes that liberalism and Statism lives large in the party that is not an opposition party to anything but Limited Government Conservatism.

Scripture tells us to remove ourselves from the path and from the presence of those practicing deceit, evil and wickedness (Proverbs 14:4-7).  A party that is engaged in deceiving voters of their intentions while practicing lawlessness and rubber stamping evil, is not a party any solid Conservative should remain within, lest they become perverted themselves and abandon the principles they currently are governed by for the expedience of wickedness because they think it gives them power.

I refuse to stand indicted in support of a party dressed as a lamb, but underneath the costume resides the Liberal wolf.  Or, if you rather - I refuse to support a Donkey dressed up as an Elephant.

It was a plank of the old 1963 Communist Goals to take over one or both major political parties in the country - and in this - they succeeded, with much of the rest of the list.

I do not care if winning the Presidency is not feasible in a new party for many cycles.  It is time to start - and provide a place for actual Conservatives to call home and work to make it an outreach to re-educate an ignorant populace of their heritage.

Or, we die trying until such time as the Hammer and Sickle replaces the flag altogether.
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2017, 05:25:29 pm »
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2017, 05:48:26 pm »
Next question: If you can't attract the Cruz caliber people, what good is the new party?

What's "Cruz caliber?"  30-06?
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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2017, 05:51:34 pm »
What's "Cruz caliber?"  30-06?

Too modern. :)

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2017, 05:55:59 pm »

There is no need to replace the Republican Party. Just the imperative to replace a boat load of feckless, fat and happy career politicians within the Republican Party!

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Re: The Need To Replace The Republican Party
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2017, 06:13:41 pm »
There is no need to replace the Republican Party. Just the imperative to replace a boat load of feckless, fat and happy career politicians within the Republican Party!

Wrong.  You'd have a better chance at nominating a Conservative from the California DNC for the Presidency.

Priebus and Boehner changed Rule 40b in 2012 that hands the choice of candidates and nominees to Party elites and took it away from grassroots so no challenge could ever be made intra-party.  Last year the GOP Establishment made rules changes to rule 12 - Shifting power to make rules changes at the convention to the RNC, outside of member votes at the Convention and retroactive in implementation all the way up to Summer 2018.   That rule change was SANS any vote of the party membership. The GOP killed rule 16, and rewrote rule 37b and 38.  Then of course they rescinded rule 40b so a plurality would garner future nominations instead of a clear majority.

They killed all attempts to reign in open primaries by rewarding closed primaries with a 20% increase in delegate counts.  Instead they made Open Primaries preferred, of which favor Democrats choosing the Republican Nominee. The GOP leadership made it clear that it WANTS that, because it DOES NOT WANT Conservative grass-roots or Libertarian candidates rising up to challenge the Oligarchy.

You have NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to replace the Establishment Oligarchy.  NONE.

The rules were rewritten to ensure they remain in power for perpetuity.

Conservatives need to dump the GOP and get out for something new, away from the cesspool of DC.
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Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775