Trump tweets for his travel ban as drama unfolds in London

[Oceander]

This sounds pretty close to what this guy said.  Do you agree we just need to accept this and not take every means possible to stop it....or slow it down.  Is not one life saved worth this vetting? @Oceander ?

Vetting individuals as they seek to enter is fine with me, but that's not what Trump's ban is about.  Trump's ban is a nostrum intended to make it look like something is being done when it not only won't be an improvement over the current system, it will incentivize the bad guys to travel from other countries, which they can quite easily do, making it all that much harder to spot them.  And by making them harder to spot and catch, Trump's ban puts more lives in jeopardy, not fewer.  It seems to me that saving lives is more important than empty rhetoric like Trumps ban, and doing the hard work of catching the bad guys, not wasting immigration and border control resources on a pointless ban.  Trump's ban is just like the Paris Agreement he just pulled the US out of:  an empty gesture in moral signaling that carries with it substantial real costs and few real benefits. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Vetting individuals as they seek to enter is fine with me, but that's not what Trump's ban is about. .../

But it is. 

[Oceander]

But it is. 

But it's not. It's a ban on people traveling from certain areas.  People traveling from other areas don't get any greater examination or vetting.  If you're a terrorist, you simply travel from one of those other areas and you avoid the effect of the ban in its entirety. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

But it's not. It's a ban on people traveling from certain areas.  People traveling from other areas don't get any greater examination or vetting.  If you're a terrorist, you simply travel from one of those other areas and you avoid the effect of the ban in its entirety.

We fundamentally disagree here.

Enjoy your day @Oceander

[Oceander]

We fundamentally disagree here.

Enjoy your day @Oceander

[Chosen Daughter]

A travel ban on a few selected countries makes almost no sense because it would be a huge waste of customs and immigration resources and would mainly only inconvenience legitimate travelers. Those with nefarious plots will simply plan around it and enter with a passport from a non ban country.

Exactly it is merely lip service at a cost.  The map showed all the terrorist attacks in Europe.  These devils are everywhere.  The stuff I posted showed that Mexico is a terrorist highway.  The news simply doesn't report the real threat to our safety.  I find also leaving the FBI without a Director is a huge problem when we have such threats right here on American soil.

Here is my prescription for terrorist training camps in the U.S

[Chosen Daughter]

Vetting individuals as they seek to enter is fine with me, but that's not what Trump's ban is about.  Trump's ban is a nostrum intended to make it look like something is being done when it not only won't be an improvement over the current system, it will incentivize the bad guys to travel from other countries, which they can quite easily do, making it all that much harder to spot them.  And by making them harder to spot and catch, Trump's ban puts more lives in jeopardy, not fewer.  It seems to me that saving lives is more important than empty rhetoric like Trumps ban, and doing the hard work of catching the bad guys, not wasting immigration and border control resources on a pointless ban.  Trump's ban is just like the Paris Agreement he just pulled the US out of:  an empty gesture in moral signaling that carries with it substantial real costs and few real benefits.

This!

[truth_seeker]

Vetting individuals as they seek to enter is fine with me, but that's not what Trump's ban is about. 

A significant part of vetting individuals depends on quality of information from the sending country.

The countries in Trump's ban, are those for which the quality of information from the sending country is not reliable.

[Chosen Daughter]

Chosen, RIV is correct.  You can wave your white flag if you wish. I am willing to fight for the Red, White and Blue.  No offense, but it is sheer lunacy to continue to allow people from areas of known terrorism into our country or to assume a defeatist attitude before we have Europe's problems.  These camps have been set up for quite awhile; all they need is more manpower, our military and police force to be diminished or incapacitated and our citizenry to be disarmed.  Something Bammy and the liberal left lunatics have been pushing for.

I firmly stand with President Trump on this issue.

See my last couple posts.  And Oceander has made clear the truth of the issue.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Exactly it is merely lip service at a cost.  The map showed all the terrorist attacks in Europe.  These devils are everywhere. 

Not according to this map @Chosen Daughter




If the vetting proposed by the President isn't enough for you, are you proposing a total stop of all immigration/refugees?

[Oceander]

A significant part of vetting individuals depends on quality of information from the sending country.

The countries in Trump's ban, are those for which the quality of information from the sending country is not reliable.

So simply require border control to accept only reliable information, regardless of where the individual is from, and be done with it.  Why go to the pointless inflammatory exercise of singling out certain Muslim countries to get heightened treatment, and leave everyone else with the same inadequate requirements?  The bad guys will simply come in from those other countries, making the ban ineffective at actually stopping bad guys, but very effective at inflaming political issues. 

[Oceander]

Not according to this map @Chosen Daughter




If the vetting proposed by the President isn't enough for you, are you proposing a total stop of all immigration/refugees?

Correlation is not causation.  The map, even if true, does not validate Trumps partial travel ban. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

The map, even if true, does not validate Trumps partial travel ban.

Then you're for a full stop on immigration in addition to extreme vetting for all foreign visitors.  I think this is worth looking into.

[Chosen Daughter]

Not according to this map @Chosen Daughter




If the vetting proposed by the President isn't enough for you, are you proposing a total stop of all immigration/refugees?

I am for safe zones in their own countries of origin.  They should stay in their own countries.  Young men should be fighting for their own freedom and the freedoms of their families in their own countries.  If they are truly refugee's who fear for their safety the best thing is to provide safe zones.

And yes vet everybody coming into this country on a visa.  If they cannot be vetted they cannot come.

Oceander is absolutely right.  Trumps ban will do little and cost lots.  Won't stop someone who want to come here and join their terrorist buddies.  They can simply come by entering from another country.  Even from the Mexican border. 

Furthermore placing a ban will stop Christians who are being slaughtered in a genocide in the ME.  I am against denying Christians safe haven from ISIS genocide. 

Also I noticed no comment from you on the terrorist training camps in America.  Nor did you comment on how they are coming in from Mexico.

[dfwgator]

Correlation is not causation.  The map, even if true, does not validate Trumps partial travel ban.

It's also because Poland has made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that Islam is incompatible with Polish society.     So frankly,  why would any Muslim want to live in a country where they will be made to feel unwelcome?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Also I noticed no comment from you on the terrorist training camps in America.  Nor did you comment on how they are coming in from Mexico.

I realize it may seem like it @Chosen Daughter ... but I don't live on the forum or reply to every post.   

Thanks for your reply

[Emjay]

A significant part of vetting individuals depends on quality of information from the sending country.

The countries in Trump's ban, are those for which the quality of information from the sending country is not reliable.

Exactly.  It's not perfect but it is certainly a step in the right direction.

[Chosen Daughter]

I realize it may seem like it @Chosen Daughter ... but I don't live on the forum or reply to every post.   

Thanks for your reply

Well when you are living on the forum you could read some of the posts before you post three more.  I only made that comment after you posted a few times since I placed the information.

[txradioguy]

Not according to this map @Chosen Daughter




If the vetting proposed by the President isn't enough for you, are you proposing a total stop of all immigration/refugees?

If he was truly serious about vetting he'd have included Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[Chosen Daughter]

If he was truly serious about vetting he'd have included Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Egypt, Lebanon, France, Sweden, Germany, Britain, Russia..............

[txradioguy]

Egypt, Lebanon, France, Sweden, Germany, Britain, Russia...............

Yes sadly now those places too.

[Chosen Daughter]

Yes sadly now those places too.

And if we are honest right here in New York, Washington, California, Minnesota...............on and on and on.  Time to actually do something about it.

Stop Sharia extremism now.  Federal Law.

[endicom]

Trump's proposed bans were temporary, for just a few months, so the arguments here look foolish. The onus is on Congress.

[libertybele]

But it's not. It's a ban on people traveling from certain areas.  People traveling from other areas don't get any greater examination or vetting.  If you're a terrorist, you simply travel from one of those other areas and you avoid the effect of the ban in its entirety.

Additionally, individuals are to be vetted before entry into the U.S.  Frankly, in light of what is continuing to happen over in Europe, I think at this point in time we need to place a moratorium on ALL immigration into this country, not just particular areas; and we also need to BUILD THE WALL!!!

[Oceander]

Whatever.