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Paris Agreement on climate change: US withdraws as Trump calls it 'unfair'

After days of drama and suspense, President Trump announced Thursday that his administration will exit the Paris climate agreement.

"So we're getting out," Trump said. "The Paris accord is very unfair at the highest level to the United States."

His decision fulfills a campaign promise and satisfies strong Republican opposition to the global climate deal but isolates the U.S. and is certain to bring condemnation from world leaders and critics in the scientific community.

Leaving the accord aligns the United States with Syria and Nicaragua.

Critics argue it will hurt the economy but supporters say it will create jobs down the line.

Trump promoted his announcement Wednesday on Twitter – prompting American allies around the world to weigh in on the consequences of the U.S. withdrawing from the global pact.

Though there are no legal ramifications for pulling out of the accord, it does alienate America and diminish its standing as a global leader..........

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/01/trump-u-s-to-withdraw-from-paris-climate-pact-calls-it-unfair-for-america.html
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Its main purpose is transfer of wealth and power from the US to other countries.
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Good job, Trump.    Another Obama stain wiped away.

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Its main purpose is transfer of wealth and power from the US to other countries.

We agree on that. It takes about $1,000 per American family.
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"Fair" isn't the problem.

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"Fair" isn't the problem.

Fair is part of the problem. 

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Fair is part of the problem.

The wrong people are defining what 'fair' is.
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Its main purpose is transfer of wealth and power from the US to other countries.

B I N G O ! ! !
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I applaud him!!

So do I.....for now.  The 'Pittsburgh, not Paris' was a good line.  However, he did state openness to renegotiating back into the deal.  We have the unique ability to be energy independent and make the next big breakthrough, if we chose.  What's in it for us to be part of it at all?
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Give credit where it is due.... Good Job Trump... don't know why you left us hanging until the last few days, but anyway... like I said... credit where it is due and I am proud of this decision.
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Give credit where it is due.... Good Job Trump... don't know why you left us hanging until the last few days, but anyway... like I said... credit where it is due and I am proud of this decision.
It takes so long, because government is a big bureaucracy, and agreements like this, are big, complex, and a lot rides on getting it right.

I heard discussions of this, as having been designed to be difficult to exit. Like 1-3 years to get out.

Considering those facts, better take a few days once back from the middle-east trip, to get it right.

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Its main purpose is transfer of wealth and power from the US to other countries.

Can anyone give a clear, concise explanation of how cutting emissions is a wealth transfer, for convincing the masses?
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Can anyone give a clear, concise explanation of how cutting emissions is a wealth transfer, for convincing the masses?

Sure! Allowing the worlds biggest polluters (If you consider CO2 emissions to be pollution) to do nothing for twenty years while requiring the USA to spend hundreds of billions doing things of little or no benefit to anyone is a transfer of wealth to those countries!
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"Wealth x-fer": there was a $100 billion to $400 billion "slush fund" for poor countries to battle "climate change"...mostly funded by the US.

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/12/the-magic-disappearing-100-billion-climate-fund/

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Can anyone give a clear, concise explanation of how cutting emissions is a wealth transfer, for convincing the masses?

It also significantly increases the cost of energy in the US.  That's how it reduces the carbon. 

The net effect is to make everything more expensive in the US.  Giving foreign competition a big advantage.
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"Wealth x-fer": there was a $100 billion to $400 billion "slush fund" for poor countries to battle "climate change"...mostly funded by the US.

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/12/the-magic-disappearing-100-billion-climate-fund/

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Wasn't that Copenhagen?
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It also significantly increases the cost of energy in the US.  That's how it reduces the carbon. 

The net effect is to make everything more expensive in the US.  Giving foreign competition a big advantage.

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Yes, but I'm wondering whether the masses will connect that as a transfer.  Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit, but it seems to me a wording is needed to make that clear, as it's abstract to many people.
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Yes, but I'm wondering whether the masses will connect that as a transfer.  Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit, but it seems to me a wording is needed to make that clear, as it's abstract to many people.

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Just tell them it would double or triple their electric bill.  Probably add a dollar to a gallon of gas.
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I'll agree, @Bigun , albeit that he has already telegraphed being open to renegotiation.... So there's another shoe to drop.

But credit where it's due (so far)
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Kudos President Trump.  F the envirowhackos.

Double ditto that!
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While I completely agree with the sentiment, it is important for us to understand that none of this is really about the environment. It is ALL about taking down the USA!
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Just tell them it would double or triple their electric bill.  Probably add a dollar to a gallon of gas.

 :laugh:

Trouble is, most people didn't flinch when Obama promised that.
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