Trump may aspire to be a strongman, but he's proving to be an exceptionally ineffectual president.

[JustPassinThru]

Just because the election is over does not mean I cannot critique the person who won that election.  That is the very definition of groupthink, the sort that cults of personality engage in.

Trump's winning the election does not insulate him from criticism.  I'm sorry you think otherwise.

The criticism is not fair or even fact-based.

What you are doing, or your side, whatever it is, is doing, is stirring the sh*t.

It's not fact-based; it's not intended to stop or change anything specific; it's intended to foment ill will.

[jpsb]

Oh I'm definitely going to post from Politico doubly now.


I enjoy wrecking safe spaces.

I thought this was a conservative forum?

[alicewonders]

What did you expect?  Magic?

More likely...you expected the Know-Nothing Voter would DEMAND magic and that your side, whichever of the hostile sides it is...could feed that disillusionment, fan it into anger.

The higher up the supervisor, the longer it takes to show significant change.  Lee Iacocca worked for three years at Chrysler before they showed a profit.  Once they did, they were the smallest, but the most-profitable, of the major motor manufacturers.

Allen Mulally was hired by Ford in similar dire straits.  Took him FOUR years to turn the company around.  The corporate culture of backstabbing had to be abolished; credit established and then drawn on; everything possible had to be strategically mortgaged to pay the costs of cutting overhead.

YEARS.

You want to goad the idiots into expecting miraculous change in 23 days.  It took Reagan's IMMEDIATE changes TWO YEARS to show improvement.  I'll give Trump that long - which is only reasonable since there's not another Presidential election for four years.

 

Excellent points!   

[XenaLee]

Indeed I am when it comes to the competence of the guy with his fingers on the nukes.  I'm sorry if my caring about the competence of the POTUS offends you so much.

If that's your only beef here, then it is based on a very disingenuous argument.  You should know that no president can launch a nuke attack single-handedly.

Got anything else?

[r9etb]

I thought this was a conservative forum?

Sure.  But it's not willfully ignorant, even if certain of its members behave that way.

[JustPassinThru]

If that's your only beef here, then it is based on a very disingenuous argument.  You should know that no president can launch a nuke attack single-handedly.

Got anything else?

It's interesting, that you and I, and a few others...who declined to cheerlead for Trump based on objective facts...are now roundly beaten as DEFENDERS.

I guess what the turn of events have done, is glean the covert Hillarites from the those who were bothered by Trump but who now accept that the election is over.  Who understood that in November he was the better option.

[truth_seeker]

Readiness for being president is a matter of character, "governing mindset," and experience. 

Neither Trump, nor Obama before him, have/had the character, mindset, or experience for the job.

Reagan was the best example of a man who had all three.

And trust me, the democrats then hated Reagan just as much as the democrats and #nevertrumps hate trump today.

[Emjay]

I knew you hadn't read it.  But it's nice of you to admit it.

Is there some law that says we have to read articles from a source that continues to prove itself biased and full of fake news?

Let me know as I don't want to be a lawbreaker.

[Emjay]

Just because the election is over does not mean I cannot critique the person who won that election.  That is the very definition of groupthink, the sort that cults of personality engage in.

Trump's winning the election does not insulate him from criticism.  I'm sorry you think otherwise.

You can certainly criticize Trump but it would be more effective if you held your fire until he does something wrong.  And I'm not talking about tweets and personality traits that annoy us.  I'm talking about nominating poor cabinet members, or making poor decisions about things that matter.

[jpsb]

Then send the sonofabitch back for training!  You don't let a first year medical resident start doing open heart surgery precisely because he doesn't know what he's doing.  The same should go for POTUS - if you don't know what you're doing you have no business being POTUS.

So stop feeding me this sh*t.  Y'all elected a half-a$$ed newbie and you don't even have the courage, honesty, or honor to admit to it.

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[JustPassinThru]

Yup, elections have consequences.

Had the Ds been smart, they'd have found someone like Zell Miller - someone that a true American could support; someone actually more appealing than Trump.  But nooooo...the D party represents graft and pull and whose-turn-is-it.  So they ran the broken-down old battle-axe, who was repulsive even in her prime.

There's no do-overs.  Impeachment requires a broad coalition and persuasive arguments.  And 23 days isn't very persuasive.

[truth_seeker]

I thought this was a conservative forum?

When it comes up on Google it says "conservative political hub"

Most rational people in this world, would not expect such a site to be curated with a steady feed of liberal opinion articles, and the members approving the articles' claims.

Or claiming the recently elected Republican President is mentally ill according to somebody's "opinion," but the claimant's credentials can't even be viewed.

In my "opinion" the #nevertrumps are either losing their minds, or had none to start.

Having no mind is in my "opinion" a mental illness, regardless how one reached such a state.

[jpsb]

It's obvious you're not rational on the subject, much less open-minded. 

I'm not interested in what you WANT.  Listen, I don't care if he, like his predecessor, is clinically mentally retarded.

I want the nation to survive.  Or, more accurately, I want the PEOPLE of this nation to do well.

Any way that happens.  Right now, Trump has done nothing that would aim him towards failure - and he's being PULLED into disaster by crazed Elitists on the Imperial Court system.  Nor has anything he's done, administratively, caused any failure.

And there have been NO legislative pushes - because the RINOs want to show how much THEY hate Trump.

That, if it will continue, will be a cause of failure.  Trump, given his lead, could fail from what he wants to do - Tariffs, if he gets them, will recreate the Great Depression.  BUT THEY AREN'T EVEN ON THE TABLE YET.

What we have is this RINO push towards taxing Carbon.  THAT is suicidal; and Shrub, or any of the other RINO ciphers, would have been on it as fast or faster. 

But what I'm getting from you is a CHEERING...FOR failure.

The R wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail just has much as the D wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail. And then there are the NeverTurmpers that would rather see Trump fail then see the nation do well. So Trump has an uphill battle to fight. But the good news is that if all Trump does is enforce existing immigration laws Trump will go down as a great president. He does not need the uniparty since he already has the authority to enforce the laws on the books. But should the R wing of the uniparty put the knife in Trumps back there will be hell to paid in 2018. The GOP either stands with Trump or it is over for the GOP.

[JustPassinThru]

The R wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail just has much as the D wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail. And then there are the NeverTurmpers that would rather see Trump fail then see the nation do well. So Trump has an uphill battle to fight. But the good news is that if all Trump does is enforce existing immigration laws Trump will go down as a great president. He does not need the uniparty since he already has the authority to enforce the laws on the books. But should the R wing of the uniparty put the knife in Trumps back there will be hell to paid in 2018. The GOP either stands with Trump or it is over for the GOP.

I'd be more ready to buy all that, if Trump hadn't brought in that oily RNC chairman...what's his name, Rinse Pubis?  If he hadn't gone for the globalist pro-sodomy, pro-Glow-Ball-Warming favorite of the House of Shrub - Rex.

And how about those two Goldman Sachs moneychangers in there?  When Trump said "drain the swamp" I didn't think he meant pumping it into the White House Cabinet.

See...THOSE are things that DO concern me.  But for better or worse, the election is OVER.

I don't demonize him or deify him.  I'm watching with a very-critical, but I hope, fair, eye.

[XenaLee]

It's interesting, that you and I, and a few others...who declined to cheerlead for Trump based on objective facts...are now roundly beaten as DEFENDERS.

I guess what the turn of events have done, is glean the covert Hillarites from the those who were bothered by Trump but who now accept that the election is over.  Who understood that in November he was the better option.

It's not just interesting, it's fascinating.  Cause last I checked, you and I were in disagreement.  Just goes to show how we are never in lock-step agreement like the leftist Democrats always are.  We think as individuals, not as Borg.

When Trump does something seriously wrong, I will be one of the first to criticize him for it.  But what I'm observing here lately is just silly and asinine nitpicking BS.

[truth_seeker]

Is there some law that says we have to read articles from a source that continues to prove itself biased and full of fake news?

Let me know as I don't want to be a lawbreaker.

It is part of the site's business strategy, and the owner is one of the main posters of said opinion articles from known liberal sources.

Keeps the #nevertrumpers happy.

You gotta eat all your spinach, to get dessert.

So eat all of your Politico, WaPo, NYT and don't complain.

[EasyAce]

Trump's winning the election does not insulate him from criticism.

No office holder is or should be immune to criticism merely by virtue of having won an election. Whether it's
the president of the United States or the lowest-ranking village councilmanperson.

[Applewood]

"In my "opinion" the #nevertrumps are either losing their minds, or had none to start."

////

And in my opinion Trump fanatics are so drunk from the Kool Aid they've been drinking, they can't see that their hero has some severe flaws. 

No president is perfect. That includes Trump. 

I would have liked for Trump to have been a much better president than Obama.  But so far, he is not.  He is worse, if that's possible. 

He is rude, crude, thin skinned, seemingly ignorant of the Constitution and some basic facts of life, refuses to work with congress and others, and he is too involved in petty squabbles instead of focusing on real issues and real solutions to this country's problems.  Does he have to snipe at Nordstroms because it will no longer carry his daughter's merchandise?  Does he really have nothing better to do than send bizarre and mean spirited tweets like some schoolgirl  aimed at the least popular girl in class? 

Trump fans see him as accomplishing what he promised during the campaign.  I see him as a tyrant issuing ill-conceived executive orders, not to solve problems such as our broken immigration system, but rather, to inflate his already massive ego.

I was told that once Trump was sworn in, he would put aside his childish behavior and be more presidential.  I don't see any progress in that regard.  In fact, it looks like he's let the presidency go to his head.    He is worse now than he was during the campaign.

Does his behavior constitute mental illness.  i think so, but I'm no mental health expert either.  I just know that if he doesn't change his ways, his presidency will be a disaster.  And if that happens,  it will cost the rest of us a helluva lot more than money.

[EC]

It is part of the site's business strategy, and the owner is one of the main posters of said opinion articles from known liberal sources.

Keeps the #nevertrumpers happy.

You gotta eat all your spinach, to get dessert.

So eat all of your Politico, WaPo, NYT and don't complain.

You are so full of shit you squeak.

Why don't you post articles? Since so many sources that others who bother to actually get off their arse and put up for general consumption offend you?

[jpsb]

I'd be more ready to buy all that, if Trump hadn't brought in that oily RNC chairman...what's his name, Rinse Pubis?  If he hadn't gone for the globalist pro-sodomy, pro-Glow-Ball-Warming favorite of the House of Shrub - Rex.

And how about those two Goldman Sachs moneychangers in there?  When Trump said "drain the swamp" I didn't think he meant pumping it into the White House Cabinet.

See...THOSE are things that DO concern me.  But for better or worse, the election is OVER.

I don't demonize him or deify him.  I'm watching with a very-critical, but I hope, fair, eye.

Rinse Pubis was brought in to reassure establishment GOPer that Trump really was a republican. He did have an election to win and Rinse Pubis along with Mike Pence  helped him win it.  If you are trying to get our finances under control why not go with the best money people in the world?

Nothing Trump has done thus far alarms me. He looks to be putting the best people around in top spots. SoE wants real reform and real choices in public ed. Sessions will enforce the laws, immigration in particular. Two top notch Marine generals one at Defense and the other at Homeland. Yes! SoS I don't know much about but you do not get to be CEO of Exon if you are a light weight. So far I am not concerned other then I know the back stabbing RINOs like McCain and Linda will jump at the first opportunity to sabotage The Donald. Trump is pretty much doing everything he said he'd do.

[Chosen Daughter]

The R wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail just has much as the D wing of the globalist uniparty wants Trump to fail. And then there are the NeverTurmpers that would rather see Trump fail then see the nation do well. So Trump has an uphill battle to fight. But the good news is that if all Trump does is enforce existing immigration laws Trump will go down as a great president. He does not need the uniparty since he already has the authority to enforce the laws on the books. But should the R wing of the uniparty put the knife in Trumps back there will be hell to paid in 2018. The GOP either stands with Trump or it is over for the GOP.

That is not fair or true.

I was Never Trump but he is my President.  I gave praise for his Nikki Haley nomination and the work they are doing in the UN.  I will give credit where I believe credit is due.  I think that the immigration ban makes us more at risk for terrorism.  It is impossible to know where a terrorist will come from.  They are already here in the United States.  They are in France, Germany, Britain, Sweden.  They are Somali youth living in Minnesota.  We have to fight what they want most.  What they want is to follow their oppressive Sharia law and they don't want to be ruled by the Constitution or our laws.  There are much better ways to make us safe.

[truth_seeker]

You are so full of shit you squeak.

Why don't you post articles? Since so many sources that others who bother to actually get off their arse and put up for general consumption offend you?

You mean so full of it, that I hit the nail right on the head.

Maybe you just don't understand the American language.

[libertybele]

"In my "opinion" the #nevertrumps are either losing their minds, or had none to start."

////

And in my opinion Trump fanatics are so drunk from the Kool Aid they've been drinking, they can't see that their hero has some severe flaws. 

No president is perfect. That includes Trump. 

I would have liked for Trump to have been a much better president than Obama.  But so far, he is not.  He is worse, if that's possible. 

He is rude, crude, thin skinned, seemingly ignorant of the Constitution and some basic facts of life, refuses to work with congress and others, and he is too involved in petty squabbles instead of focusing on real issues and real solutions to this country's problems.  Does he have to snipe at Nordstroms because it will no longer carry his daughter's merchandise?  Does he really have nothing better to do than send bizarre and mean spirited tweets like some schoolgirl  aimed at the least popular girl in class? 

Trump fans see him as accomplishing what he promised during the campaign.  I see him as a tyrant issuing ill-conceived executive orders, not to solve problems such as our broken immigration system, but rather, to inflate his already massive ego.

I was told that once Trump was sworn in, he would put aside his childish behavior and be more presidential.  I don't see any progress in that regard.  In fact, it looks like he's let the presidency go to his head.    He is worse now than he was during the campaign.

Does his behavior constitute mental illness.  i think so, but I'm no mental health expert either.  I just know that if he doesn't change his ways, his presidency will be a disaster.  And if that happens,  it will cost the rest of us a helluva lot more than money.

I think it is also important to realize all the fake news and the extraordinary attempts to make sure that President Trump doesn't succeed. I can't remember in my lifetime when an incoming President has been treated so terribly. The DEMS are not taking defeat well.  The corruption in government is being challenged and the RINO's and DEMS are trying to stay afloat in the swamp that Trump is trying to drain.  He's been in office less than a month; yet already people are calling his presidency ineffective?  What a crock.  Bammy was in office for 4 long years and proclaimed that he hadn't had enough time to make the changes that he promised...and then the masses were stupid enough to vote for him a second time around.

Yes, there are a multitude of things that bother me about President Trump, but after 3 weeks in office, I'm not ready to declare him ineffective.  I still worry about ISIS, open borders, attack on Christianity, Muslim infiltration, our 2nd amendment rights, a conservative cabinet and a conservative appointment to the SCOTUS.  With President Trump at least I've seen a glimmer of hope; with Clinton there was no hope.

[jpsb]

I think that the immigration ban makes us more at risk for terrorism. 

@Chosen Daughter

Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KMz_AUBFM

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter

Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KMz_AUBFM

Do you have a link it looks like a big box on my screen.  So I watched it and it increases my opinion that the travel ban makes us less safe.  It has enraged the people of Iraq and I recently read that it has emboldened ISIS.

Oh got it now.

So I watched it.  It proves to me that the travel ban has enraged the people of Iraq.  It has emboldened ISIS.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2017/0209/Is-Trump-s-travel-ban-really-a-blessed-ban-for-ISIS

So I believe even more so that the ban is dangerous to Americans.  Here and abroad.  And as Hannity questions how do you know what is in a persons heart?  We don't.  But our intelligence should know what is happening in terrorist chat rooms.