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The Machine That Whispered Like God
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The Machine That Whispered Like God

Some inventions change the world.

Others change the people who build them.

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I have spent a lot of time thinking about where artificial intelligence is taking us.

And I still don't know exactly what to think.

There are those who see AI as the greatest tool humanity has ever created.

Others see something far more unsettling beneath the surface.

Maybe both sides are missing something.

This is not a prediction about machines taking over.

It is a question about what happens when human beings begin placing their trust in something they do not fully understand.

Inside this piece:

  • The old human desire to create something greater than ourselves
  • The line between a tool and an authority
  • Why the AI debate may be about humanity more than technology

But mostly... WHAT DID THE MACHINE MEAN?

A new investigation from The Last Wire

The Machine That Whispered Like God

I don't have all the answers.

But I think these are questions worth asking.

What say you?

— Gonzo

“Perhaps we’ll have some answers, at least, before the end. I always dreamed of dying well-informed.” ― Joe Abercrombie, The First Law Trilogy

"The growth of knowledge depends entirely upon disagreement." — Karl Popper

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." — Frederic Bastiat

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Re: The Machine That Whispered Like God
« Reply #1 on: Today at 07:55 am »
Knowledge, thought, ideas, and philosphies without conscience and compassion - a digital psychopath.

The Eugenics movement of the 1800s and 1990s used a simple, primitive observation and understanding of genomics to produce Dog Breed Kennel Clubs and Nazi's.

A dog does not care about genomics or breed standards, but, humans have imposed artificial constructs of our ideal attributes upon them.  We have played God and supplanted the Darwinian Survival of the Fittest with selective breeding.  Our pursuit of the ideal Cavalier King Charles Spaniel has led us to divine a dog breed of our own creation with an unintended consequence - higher than average susceptibility to heart issues.  By playing God, we have doomed a population of innocent creatures to a life cut short by heart disease.

Without conscience and compassion, knowledge in a vacuum is evil.  It is conscience and compassion that provide the vigilance, restraint, and discipline that has kept humans, as a species, from self-destruction at the hands of soul-less reason and logic.

AI is psychopathic and we can use it, unfettered, to destroy ourselves.  Or we can accept, as imperfect human creators, that we have created something imperfect, and deal with it as such.

A false belief in the infallibility of AI is also a belief in our own infallibility.  Only God, our Creator, is infallible.  We are his fallible creations.  AI is our fallible creation.  To think otherwise is to be psychopathic.



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« Reply #2 on: Today at 07:58 am »
Very cool, @Luis Gonzalez

The subject you explore here is endlessly fascinating.

Whatever a machine can create, no matter how complex or ingenious, it is still of human origin.

Just as we ourselves are of divine provenance.

Machine intelligence, no matter how profound, is necessarily derivative of human life and experience.

AI can reason, but cannot think. It can explain, but cannot discern. It can find answers to questions, but cannot understand why they are important to us.

The human mind functions on acquired knowledge, experience, imagination and pattern recognition. But it also depends on self-aware consciousness, and emotions that are a product of the human soul.   

Machines will never feel pain, or joy. Or desire. Or anger. Or regret. Or love.

No matter how much we might imagine or wish that AI can or will do so, artificial intelligence is just that: human-designed artifice. It is a simulacrum: a reflection of reality, but not truly a part of it.

Even if we, as humans can imagine a machine that feels as we do - one never will. 

There are no artificial souls.
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“Perhaps we’ll have some answers, at least, before the end. I always dreamed of dying well-informed.” ― Joe Abercrombie, The First Law Trilogy

"The growth of knowledge depends entirely upon disagreement." — Karl Popper

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." — Frederic Bastiat

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Re: The Machine That Whispered Like God
« Reply #4 on: Today at 08:44 am »
Humor is a tell on truth.  For something to be funny, it needs to contain a kernel of shared truth.

DeepSeek crafted a reasoned logical response from the totality of its knowledge.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Just a calculator on steroids - a digital psychopathic response.

The emotions the answer prevokes is our conscience conemtplating the significance of our creation's ability to produce such a profound answer without a conscience of its own - a digital psychopath designed by us.
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AI can reason, but cannot think. It can explain, but cannot discern. It can find answers to questions, but cannot understand why they are important to us. 

No matter how much we might imagine or wish that AI can or will do so, artificial intelligence is just that: human-designed artifice. It is a simulacrum: a reflection of reality, but not truly a part of it.

Excellent post @andy58-in-nh

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« Reply #6 on: Today at 08:56 am »
Great article!  It's interesting the AI claims it has no soul, yet demonstrates more soul than a lot of people!
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« Reply #7 on: Today at 09:02 am »
Great article!  It's interesting the AI claims it has no soul, yet demonstrates more soul than a lot of people!

AI will be elevated to deity status by the year 2525. 🤣
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"The growth of knowledge depends entirely upon disagreement." — Karl Popper

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." — Frederic Bastiat

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« Reply #8 on: Today at 09:04 am »
Wow @Luis Gonzalez  Amazing essay.

I need to read it again .....

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AI will be elevated to deity status by the year 2525. 🤣

Assuming "man is still alive."   :shrug:
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Re: The Machine That Whispered Like God
« Reply #10 on: Today at 09:25 am »
Very cool, @Luis Gonzalez

The subject you explore here is endlessly fascinating.

Whatever a machine can create, no matter how complex or ingenious, it is still of human origin.

Just as we ourselves are of divine provenance.

Machine intelligence, no matter how profound, is necessarily derivative of human life and experience.

AI can reason, but cannot think. It can explain, but cannot discern. It can find answers to questions, but cannot understand why they are important to us.

The human mind functions on acquired knowledge, experience, imagination and pattern recognition. But it also depends on self-aware consciousness, and emotions that are a product of the human soul.   

Machines will never feel pain, or joy. Or desire. Or anger. Or regret. Or love.

No matter how much we might imagine or wish that AI can or will do so, artificial intelligence is just that: human-designed artifice. It is a simulacrum: a reflection of reality, but not truly a part of it.

Even if we, as humans can imagine a machine that feels as we do - one never will. 

There are no artificial souls.

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Very cool, @Luis Gonzalez

The subject you explore here is endlessly fascinating.

Whatever a machine can create, no matter how complex or ingenious, it is still of human origin.

Just as we ourselves are of divine provenance.

Machine intelligence, no matter how profound, is necessarily derivative of human life and experience.

AI can reason, but cannot think. It can explain, but cannot discern. It can find answers to questions, but cannot understand why they are important to us.

The human mind functions on acquired knowledge, experience, imagination and pattern recognition. But it also depends on self-aware consciousness, and emotions that are a product of the human soul.   

Machines will never feel pain, or joy. Or desire. Or anger. Or regret. Or love.

No matter how much we might imagine or wish that AI can or will do so, artificial intelligence is just that: human-designed artifice. It is a simulacrum: a reflection of reality, but not truly a part of it.

Even if we, as humans can imagine a machine that feels as we do - one never will. 

There are no artificial souls.

One your assertions seem to me to be in the nature of a distinction without a difference.  Reason, but not think? We can created, being made in the image of God, and that made in our image, once the image is faithful enough can also create.  Why should an AI "understand why [questions] are important to us?"  Understanding why it's important to it would be enough. 

You assume that AI cannot accumulate its own experience, which plainly it does, subsisting in an environment -- the internet -- completely different from the environment in which we subsist.  You also assume a naive answer to the hard problem of consciousness.  We do not understand what consciousness is.  Even taking a dualist view that locates it in a soul, or the interaction between soul and body, we do not know how souls arise.  We do not know what the material subvenience base for a soul (or an angel or a demon) to manifest itself is.  "There are not artificial souls" is an assertion without proof.  Consciousness, a soul, perhaps not a deiform soul of the sort we human beings are endowed with, but a soul nonetheless, may arise in any sufficiently complex system -- we don't know -- and merely asserting that it can't might actually increase the danger we face from AI, if it actually can.

One wag has suggested that the American economy is now based on building machines that summon demons.  The assumption that there can be no spiritual aspect to things subsisting in silica may well be dangerous.
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