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Nothing about Ted Cruz as SCOTUS that's even remotely funny. There's too many intelligent citizens born in the US that would be a better choice.

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President Trump has floated the name of Senator Ted Cruz in connection with a possible Supreme Court opening. The idea has sparked plenty of discussion, especially given the long history between the two men and Cruz’s well-known profile in the Senate.
In a recent appearance, Trump laid out his thinking on the matter in his trademark straightforward style. He pointed to Cruz as someone who could secure broad support during a confirmation process. What stood out, though, was the unexpected twist in his explanation.
The president noted that Cruz might actually be one of the easier nominees to get confirmed because of how senators on both sides of the aisle feel about him.
https://www.rightjournalism.com/trump-names-ted-cruz-as-potential-supreme-court-pick-the-reason-why-will-make-even-his-harshest-critics-laugh-video/

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A decade later, and the hatred for Ted Cruz (and other Conservatives) among #AlwaysTrumpers still runs strong.

There is no difference between #NT and #AT.  Both are close-minded.
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   I think a better use of Sen Cruz would be an AG under a DeSantis Administration in 28.
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   I think a better use of Sen Cruz would be an AG under a DeSantis Administration in 28.
Ted is fine where he is or as a SC Justice for life as his debating skills are unmatched on this planet.

My concern is Cruz has never led a major organization and while shrewd, discerning and conservative, he could wind up like Deer-In-The-Headlights Jeff Sessions who was undermined successfully by the DOJ's Deep State.
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We can hope Roberts meets with a fatal car accident or something, maybe Type I will rid us the wide ass latina.... she is well past the Reaper date on that one.

Ted would make a great SCOTUS pick.. particularly as Chief Justice.
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Cruz has already said that he's not interested because the job would be too boring for him.
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A decade later, and the hatred for Ted Cruz (and other Conservatives) among #AlwaysTrumpers still runs strong.

There is no difference between #NT and #AT.  Both are close-minded.

Yet, you're doing your very best to keep any residual animosity alive.   :shrug:

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We can hope Roberts meets with a fatal car accident or something, maybe Type I will rid us the wide ass latina.... she is well past the Reaper date on that one.

Ted would make a great SCOTUS pick.. particularly as Chief Justice.

 :yowsa: IF he could somehow be persuaded to take the job.
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Nothing about Ted Cruz as SCOTUS that's even remotely funny. There's too many intelligent citizens born in the US that would be a better choice.

That may be true, but Cruz, being a sitting Senator, has a better chance of being confirmed by the Senate.  That said, I like him where he is!
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Alito and Thomas need to retire immediately, or nobody is getting on the court, and the dems will flip it as soon as the have a chance.  I’m surprised nobody is talking about this as it seems like a total disaster in the making.

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Alito and Thomas need to retire immediately, or nobody is getting on the court, and the dems will flip it as soon as the have a chance.  I’m surprised nobody is talking about this as it seems like a total disaster in the making.

I prefer both Alito and Thomas to say on till after the 28 election. Those two are the only real conservatives we have on the Court.  And they both should live well past the next Presidential term.

Lets face it, if the democrap.. the fascist , Marxist left win Congress and the Presidency in 28. They will pack the Court, so replacing Alto and Thomas now, would not matter anyways.

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Yet, you're doing your very best to keep any residual animosity alive.   :shrug:

I'm not the one here still hating on Ted Cruz.  Maybe you should check your own soul for "residual animosity".
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Alito and Thomas need to retire immediately, or nobody is getting on the court, and the dems will flip it as soon as the have a chance.  I’m surprised nobody is talking about this as it seems like a total disaster in the making.

Everybody is holding their breath to see who wins in '28.  Even the Rats who are promising to pack the SCOTUS if they win this November...as if Trump would sign such a Bill!
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I prefer both Alito and Thomas to say on till after the 28 election. Those two are the only real conservatives we have on the Court.  And they both should live well past the next Presidential term.

Alito may, as his mother lived to 99.  But Ginni and Clarence are both fat, and democrat presidents tend to win reelection. 

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Left wing retired Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz stated that Trump Cruz has the greatest legal mind he ever saw.

He Clerked for Rehnquist.   And was a great friend and ally of among the greatest SCOTUS justices of all....   Scalia.  He is easily the best choice.

OTOH....  He has emphatically stated, even recently, that he isn't interested.

update:  Trump as SCOTUS?  It would never be boring.    :silly:
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Alito may, as his mother lived to 99.  But Ginni and Clarence are both fat, and democrat presidents tend to win reelection.

You do not address the key point. That the democraps/fascist/Marxist left will pack the Court if they win in 28. Making it irrelevant if Alito and Thomas step down before then and get replaced by Trump.

All it does is expose us to another , far less certain conservative pick.
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Left wing retired Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz stated that Trump has the greatest legal mind he ever saw.

He Clerked for Rehnquist.   And was a great friend and ally of among the greatest SCOTUS justices of all....   Scalia.  He is easily the best choice.

OTOH....  He has emphatically stated, even recently, that he isn't interested.
Methinks you meant Ted instead of Trump.

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Have we ever had a Supreme Justice born in another country?

Does it matter?  McStain was born in Panama and ran for President.  Lots of Americans give birth in other countries. Ted was a citizen at birth, just like the rest of them.
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Does it matter?  McStain was born in Panama and ran for President.  Lots of Americans give birth in other countries.

Natural born citizenship only applies to the Office of the President.  Just as Cruz is eligible to run for the Senate, he is eligible to sit on the Supreme Court.

And, BTW, McCain was born on a US military base in Panama to two parents with US citizenship ---- Cruz was born to an American mother and a Cuban father both living in Canada, relocated to Houston with his parents at age four, and renounced his Canadian citizenship on May 14, 2014.  --  Because his mother met the residency requirements, Ted is a US citizen but, he is not natural born.




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Natural born citizenship only applies to the Office of the President.  Just as Cruz is eligible to run for the Senate, he is eligible to sit on the Supreme Court.

 Ted is a US citizen but, he is not natural born.

That ship sailed with obama. Not that I disagree, but I am sure SCOTUS would not agree.
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Does it matter?  McStain was born in Panama and ran for President.  Lots of Americans give birth in other countries. Ted was a citizen at birth, just like the rest of them.

Ted Cruz was not a U. S. Citizen at birth. He earned Canadian citizenship in 1973 and became a naturalized United States citizen in 2005. He renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2013.

You cannot be a NBC and a naturalized citizen at the same time. Ted Cruz, as much as I like him, is forever ineligible to become president or vice president. @Fantom
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Ted Cruz was not a U. S. Citizen at birth. 

You are mistaken Bigun.  Ted Cruz was born a US citizen. There is no disputing this fact. He was never "naturalized".

https://lawreview.syr.edu/pennsylvania-judge-rules-senator-cruz-is-eligible-to-be-president/

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Pennsylvania Judge Rules Senator Cruz Is Eligible To Be President

On March 10, 2016, Senior Judge Dan Pellegrini authored an opinion for the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania that decided the Constitutional issue on the merits of whether Senator Ted Cruz, born in Canada, is eligible to hold the Office of President. Judge Pellegrini held that a “natural born citizen” includes “any person who is a United States citizen from birth,” and concluded that Senator Cruz is eligible to be President. The memorandum opinion is twenty-two pages and relies heavily on the research and conclusions of legal scholars published in law review articles and in a Congressional Research Service (“CRS”) report. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court affirmed the court’s opinion on March 31, 2016. A copy of the opinion is available

And from Heritage on the matter.

https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/ted-cruz-eligible-the-presidency

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Born in Alberta, Canada in 1970, Cruz is the son of an American mother and Cuban father.

Thus, the president must be a natural born citizen—and not merely a naturalized citizen. The difference boils down to whether that person was a U.S. citizen from birth.

Under the British doctrine of jus sanguinis, citizenship passes from one or both parents to a child, regardless of the birthplace. The First Congress adopted this principle as law when it enacted the Naturalization Act of 1790, which declared that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”  Though the 1790 law was superseded by subsequent naturalization laws as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, the principle of jus sanguinis remains central to understanding who is a natural born citizen.

Further, 8 U.S. Code § 1401(g) extends citizenship to children who are born outside the United States or its territories, provided that one parent is a U.S. citizen who “prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States … for a period or periods totaling not less than five years.” By comparison, a naturalized citizen is a person, born in a foreign country to parents who are not U.S. citizens, who seeks to become an American citizen.


Based on the original meaning of the citizenship requirement and current law, Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen. As Katyal and Clement conclude, “[A]n individual born to a U.S. citizen parent—whether in California or Canada or the Canal Zone—is a U.S. citizen from birth and is fully eligible to serve as president if the people so choose.”





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You are mistaken Bigun.  Ted Cruz was born a US citizen. There is no disputing this fact. He was never "naturalized".

https://lawreview.syr.edu/pennsylvania-judge-rules-senator-cruz-is-eligible-to-be-president/

Pennsylvania judges do not make laws but you are certainly free to continue swallowing that BS if you like.
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Pennsylvania judges do not make laws but you are certainly free to continue swallowing that BS if you like.

The laws were made by Congress Bigun. Not BS.. reality. Ted was a US citizen at birth.
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The laws were made by Congress Bigun. Not BS.. reality. Ted was a US citizen at birth.

This train left the station when O'Bastard became Presidet, nd SCOTUS  refused standing to anybody who questioned it.
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The laws were made by Congress Bigun. Not BS.. reality. Ted was a US citizen at birth.

Even if that were true, He would still not be a NBC. He would be a citizen due to the existence of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.

I was born in the United States to two citizen parents.  My citizenship is granted (by nature) owing to the place of my birth (jus soli), and the undivided loyalties of my citizen parents (jus sanguinis), under the sole governance of the United States Constitution.  That is, my citizenship does not depend on the existence of any statutory actions taken by the US Congress (nor can it ever be constrained by such); hence I am a natural born citizen and, I'm sorry to report, Ted Cruz is not.

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This train left the station when O'Bastard became Presidet, and SCOTUS  refused standing to anybody who questioned it.

Maybe, but other things have been corrected and so can this be.

A little nibble here, a small bite there, and soon the Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore. I refuse to be a party to that!
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Even if that were true, He would still not be a NBC. He would be a citizen due to the existence of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.

I was born in the United States to two citizen parents.  My citizenship is granted (by nature) owing to the place of my birth (jus soli), and the undivided loyalties of my citizen parents (jus sanguinis), under the sole governance of the United States Constitution.  That is, my citizenship does not depend on the existence of any statutory actions taken by the US Congress (nor can it ever be constrained by such); hence I am a natural born citizen and, I'm sorry to report, Ted Cruz is not.

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Not saying I disagree with you on  what a natural born citizen is Bigun.  Going back to the 1400's, particularly drawing on writings from France... you would be totally correct.  Now that, and two tokens, might get a ride on a subway somewhere.

Which is to say, it is an archaic and very minority held opinion.

While it may be fun, and too some amusement, to debate on the matter, it is akin to tilting at windmills. For better , or worse, the world has moved on.  And in that world, Ted is a natural born citizen of the United State of America.
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Not saying I disagree with you on  what a natural born citizen is Bigun.  Going back to the 1400's, particularly drawing on writings from France... you would be totally correct.  Now that, and two tokens, might get a ride on a subway somewhere.

Which is to say, it is an archaic and very minority held opinion.

While it may be fun, and too some amusement, to debate on the matter, it is akin to tilting at windmills. For better , or worse, the world has moved on.  And in that world, Ted is a natural born citizen of the United State of America.

In 1787 everyone held that opinion. The Declaration of Independence was a minority held opinion. And no, Ted Cruz is NOT an NBC but you believe whatever tickles your fancy. Not going to respond to you again on this matter.
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Does it matter?  McStain was born in Panama and ran for President.  Lots of Americans give birth in other countries. Ted was a citizen at birth, just like the rest of them.
Am talking about SC justices.

Any born outside American soil?
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The following is the response to the question IS SEN TED CRUZ A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?  [on Google, which we know is uber liberal]

Yes, Senator Ted Cruz is considered a natural-born citizen under United States law, as he was born a U.S. citizen from birth. However, the exact constitutional definition has been a subject of debate among legal scholars.

The U.S. Constitution states that a presidential candidate must be a "natural born citizen," but it does not explicitly define the term. Senator Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, in 1970. Because his mother was an American citizen born in Delaware, Cruz acquired U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Most constitutional scholars and a Congressional Research Service report indicate that the concept covers individuals who are citizens at birth, including children born abroad to U.S. citizens. Therefore, his eligibility to serve in high office—including the presidency—is widely accepted. Still, online forum users and some legal experts express mixed opinions on the exact meaning of the clause, as the U.S. Supreme Court has never issued a definitive ruling on the matter for this specific scenario.


If our Congress was worth a good BM, and they are light years away from that achievement, they would have a constitutional congress that rectifies all the undefined ideas of the Constitution.  We need to add TERM LIMITS for these clowns, we need a redefined definition for the requirements to be POTUS and VPOTUS, for there is not a single 35 year old in the entire USA that I believe should ever be considered for either position, and I would say I do not want even a 40 year old.  I think we need to require far greater requirements to be POTUS and VPOTUS.

I also think everyone in Congress should require being born in the USA.  As is clearly evident, the likes of the Ilhan Omars of the world do not represent the American people.  Not in the least!

As we function today, we have become an exceedingly dumb people, and it is getting worse.  Young people know almost nothing.  I have seen evidence of this almost on a daily basis, to an alarming level, believing this nation is truly in jeopardy with young people and their ignorance.

And it is my contention that unless the wrongs of the 2020 election are corrected, and no one appears intent to do that, our republic is dead and will remain dead.

The Democommies always refer to our nation as a    DEMOCRACY, and I have NEVER once heard a Democommie refer to the USA as a REPUBLIC.  NEVER!!!  I see nothing but dark days ahead, with the Democommies pressing toward a totalitarian mode of governance, and the Republicans remaining eunuchs!

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Am talking about SC justices.

Any born outside American soil?

Does it matter?

For you , IsailedawayfromFR

...Felix Frankfurter.....LMAO at that one! Had to look it up to make sure I was not posting spoofed info.

https://buckfirelaw.com/blog/supreme-court-justice-student-guide/

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All current Supreme Court Justices have been born in the United States. Historically, six (6) Justices were born outside of the U.S.:

    James Wilson (1789-1798), born in Caskardy, Scotland
    James Iredell (1790-1799), born in Lewes, England
    William Paterson (1793-1806), born in County Antrim, Ireland
    David J. Brewer (1889-1910), born in Smyrna, Turkey
    George Sutherland (1922-1939), born in Buckinghamshire, England
    Felix Frankfurter (1939-1962), born in Vienna, Austria

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For you , IsailedawayfromFR

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Interesting and good to know.

Does it matter?

It would seem best for America that the nature of those in Government who have great power would be as close to being an American as one could be, which is why the Constitution specified as such for the President and VP for NB.

But you seem to disagree on that intention of the Founders.
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Miguel Estrada was born in Honduras, and I would have given my left nut to put him on the High Court.
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Interesting and good to know.

Does it matter?

It would seem best for America that the nature of those in Government who have great power would be as close to being an American as one could be, which is why the Constitution specified as such for the President and VP for NB.

But you seem to disagree on that intention of the Founders.


Well, we have the wide ass latina, the brown jackson, kagan, and roberts... seems to me being born in America is not such a great predictor of being American.. give me a Ted Cruz any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

As for your shot about what the Founders intent was ... they intended someone born as an American be elected.. you know, like Ted Cruz. I would say, I am quite in agreement with them... how about you?
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Alito and Thomas need to retire immediately, or nobody is getting on the court, and the dems will flip it as soon as the have a chance.  I’m surprised nobody is talking about this as it seems like a total disaster in the making.
Republicans want to avoid a  reverse"Ginsburg" situation where she declined to retire when Obama was President and Trump got to pick her successor.
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Well, we have the wide ass latina, the brown jackson, kagan, and roberts... seems to me being born in America is not such a great predictor of being American.. give me a Ted Cruz any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

As for your shot about what the Founders intent was ... they intended someone born as an American be elected.. you know, like Ted Cruz. I would say, I am quite in agreement with them... how about you?
Never said Ted would not be great.

What I said is I support the Founders' intent to make those highest in power to be as American as they could be, and a to be native-born supports that role.

Am willing to forgo a Cruz if it would prevent a Omar or Mamdani from rising to power.
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Never said Ted would not be great.

What I said is I support the Founders' intent to make those highest in power to be as American as they could be, and a to be native-born supports that role.

Am willing to forgo a Cruz if it would prevent a Omar or Mamdani from rising to power.

You alraedy have omar/mamdani..the three leftist on the court now are just the same... roberts is not far behind as he facilitates them.

Fortunatly, the world is wiser than you.. Ted can serve. Just as our Founders intended.
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You alraedy have omar/mamdani..the three leftist on the court now are just the same... roberts is not far behind as he facilitates them.

Fortunatly, the world is wiser than you.. Ted can serve. Just as our Founders intended.
So once again, it appears you believe that the Founders were wrong to target within our Constitution NBC for the highest offices?

Am trying to see if you see that as a good thing or not. 

I believe it to be.
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A decade later, and the hatred for Ted Cruz (and other Conservatives) among #AlwaysTrumpers still runs strong.

There is no difference between #NT and #AT.  Both are close-minded.

EverTrumpers, thank you very much.

Gotta play directly on their own epithets.
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I'd have happily supported Ted Cruz as the 2016 Nominee.

Could he have beaten Hillary Clinton?  :shrug:

IMO, his 'Administration' would be akin to Dwight Eisenhower.  Keep the waters calm and the economy churning.

So, that makes President Trump an even more influential President, given what the opposition Party and politicized Intelligence Agencies have thrown against him.

But Ted Cruz for SCOTUS?  A no-brainer.

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I'd have happily supported Ted Cruz as the 2016 Nominee.

Could he have beaten Hillary Clinton?  :shrug:

IMO, his 'Administration' would be akin to Dwight Eisenhower.  Keep the waters calm and the economy churning.

So, that makes President Trump an even more influential President, given what the opposition Party and politicized Intelligence Agencies have thrown against him.

But Ted Cruz for SCOTUS?  A no-brainer.


Ted would not have been an Eisenhower. Eisenhower was more akin to Romney/McStain. He was FDR's lapdog... not a real conservative. Did give us the interstate system.. so there is that silver lining.

Ted is a true conservative, his admin would have been closer to Reagan's by comparison IMHO.  I maxed to Ted.. damn glad we got Trump.

As for Ted on the Court being a "no brainer"...  :beer: Would love him as Chief Justice.
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So once again, it appears you believe that the Founders were wrong to target within our Constitution NBC for the highest offices?



You need to make up your mind. Are we talking about the Presidency.. or SCOTUS? Putting aside the debate over what "NBC" in the Constitution means. The Founders only "targeted" it within our Constitution for exactly ONE.. count that with me please, ONE office. Not for.."for the highest offices?" as you continuously erroneously claim.

That is for the Presidency.

Trying to see if you understand that ... or not.

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You need to make up your mind. Are we talking about the Presidency.. or SCOTUS? Putting aside the debate over what "NBC" in the Constitution means. The Founders only "targeted" it within our Constitution for exactly ONE.. count that with me please, ONE office. Not for.."for the highest offices?" as you continuously erroneously claim.

That is for the Presidency.

Trying to see if you understand that ... or not.
You are all over the place and miss my point entirely.

The Founders specifically enjoined for President that NBC is good.

They did not include other offices. But their intentions appear to be that is beneficial for that office.

My comment is that intention is a good one to make any higher position of office more likely to be given to a person more supportive of this country.
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My comment is that intention is a good one to make any higher position of office more likely to be given to a person more supportive of this country.

You mean like  Ted Cruz.

We agree then.


BTW... ..."They did not include other offices. But their intentions appear to be that is beneficial for that office."

What “penumbras, formed by emanations” leads you to speak for the Founders intent?  They were there.. they wrote the Constitution. If they intended that.. they would have said such in the Constitution.. they did for one office.. no others.

You give off a decidedly Justice William O. Douglas vibe.

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The laws were made by Congress Bigun. Not BS.. reality. Ted was a US citizen at birth.

The disagreement is not whether Cruz was a citizen at birth @Fantom   The disagreement is how that citizenship came to be and what it means for eligible occupants of the Oval Office.

Senator Ted Cruz acquired his United States citizenship at birth under Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).  In other words, his US citizenship at birth was, as is all naturalization, a gift defined and given by the US Congress.

A natural born US citizen is both Jus Soli (right of the soil) AND Jus Sanguinis (right of the blood) ---- born on US territory and inheriting citizenship at birth from both parents. 

I am a Natural Born Citizen, my citizenship is a gift from God and is inalienable.  Ted Cruz is a US citizen naturalized at birth through a gift given by Congress and is forfeitable.

No one with a forfeitable citizenship is eligible for the Presidency of the United States.




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Senator Ted Cruz acquired his United States citizenship at birth under Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).  In other words, his US citizenship at birth was, as is all naturalization, a gift defined and given by the US Congress.

A natural born US citizen is both Jus Soli (right of the soil) AND Jus Sanguinis (right of the blood) ---- born on US territory and inheriting citizenship at birth from both parents. 

I am a Natural Born Citizen and my citizenship is a gift from God and is inalienable.  Ted Cruz is a US citizen naturalized at birth through a gift given by Congress and is forfeitable.

No one with a forfeitable citizenship is eligible for the Presidency of the United States.




Your opinion , is just that.. your opinion.

Ted Cruz is as much a natural born citizen as you are. Deal with it.. or tilt at what ever windmills you wish. Such will not change that fact.

Or point to where the Founders defined "natural born ".. in the Constitution,  as you have. They only had two categories.. natural born(citizen by birth) and naturalized(citizenship to those not given such by birth). There was no other parsing.

Your opinion will never keep Ted Cruz from being President. Enjoy that fact.

PS. Ted Cruz's citizenship is no more "forfeitable" than yours is.

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Ted Cruz is as much a natural born citizen as you are. Deal with it.. or tilt at what ever windmills you wish. Such will not change that fact.

Ted Cruz is not like me.  I was born on US soil to two US citizens.  @Fantom

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Your opinion will never keep Ted Cruz from being President. Enjoy that fact.

This isn't about Ted Cruz. 

This is about embracing our Founders damn near prophetic protection from interlopers of the most powerful position in the US government.

In the age of court approved global birthright citizenship --- with zero guardrails --- one would hope you could put your obsession with Ted Cruz aside and fight to strengthen the NBC definition and application while we can still --- at least --- protect the US Presidency.

A natural born US citizen is both Jus Soli (right of the soil) AND Jus Sanguinis (right of the blood) ---- born on US territory and inheriting citizenship at birth from both parents.   

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PS. Ted Cruz's citizenship is no more "forfeitable" than yours is.

All naturalized citizens, including the Senator, are citizens by an act of Congress @Fantom  What Congress gives, Congress can eliminate or change.

My natural born citizenship was an act of God's and is inalienable.

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Ted Cruz is not like me.  I was born on US soil to two US citizens.  @Fantom

This isn't about Ted Cruz. 

This is about embracing our Founders damn near prophetic protection from interlopers of the most powerful position in the US government.

In the age of court approved global birthright citizenship --- with zero guardrails --- one would hope you could put your obsession with Ted Cruz aside and fight to strengthen the NBC definition and application while we can still --- at least --- protect the US Presidency.

A natural born US citizen is both Jus Soli (right of the soil) AND Jus Sanguinis (right of the blood) ---- born on US territory and inheriting citizenship at birth from both parents.

Actually,  it's all about Cruz, because after all these years you still hate his guts for challenging Trump in 2016.
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