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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1250 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 07:48 am »
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Iranian T-72 tanks have been seen heading towards Abadan, southern Iran.


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Ancient tanks, now drone targets ...
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« Reply #1251 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 07:49 am »
Different Committee.

Which Committee then?
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« Reply #1252 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 07:55 am »
Which Committee then?

I can't recall, and who am I to refute the vaunted Wikipedia, renowned for its accuracy and lack of bias?  I just remember it...differently.   :shrug:
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« Reply #1253 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 07:59 am »
No, it goes back to THIS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper_(defense_industry)

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/03/01/the-last-supper-how-a-1993-pentagon-dinner-reshaped-the-defense-industry

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1997/07/04/how-a-dinner-led-to-a-feeding-frenzy/13961ba2-5908-4992-8335-c3c087cdebc6

It's pretty obvious now that the U.S. military has atrophied to such an extent that the U.S. Navy has become strategically impotent (excluding perhaps its submarine force), and that the U.S. Army and Air Force can't defend our bases in the Middle East nor our "allies' anymore, and the Marines can't land and take small islands.

We don't have enough ships, aircraft, munitions, and troops anymore.

Period.
So you mean Austin was jumping up and down to increase military spending while he was in office?  Sorry, I did not read about that report.

Since your reference was of 1993, the other question I have for you is:  Did the 2nd Iraq war and in Afghanistan appear to suffer with an inadequately funded military, and did Biden leaving tens of billions of military equipment in Afghanistan keep our military robust?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1254 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 08:54 am »
So you mean Austin was jumping up and down to increase military spending while he was in office?  Sorry, I did not read about that report.

Austin was in favor of increased spending.  He just wasn't in favor of using those funds to improve our military.

DEI costs money.  Lots of money.  https://www.congress.gov/118/chrg/CHRG-118hhrg53920/CHRG-118hhrg53920.pdf
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1255 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 09:17 am »
So you mean Austin was jumping up and down to increase military spending while he was in office?  Sorry, I did not read about that report.

Since your reference was of 1993, the other question I have for you is:  Did the 2nd Iraq war and in Afghanistan appear to suffer with an inadequately funded military, and did Biden leaving tens of billions of military equipment in Afghanistan keep our military robust?

The 2nd Iraq War and Afghanistan were different animals, and (after 2003) resulted in a focus shift from conventional combat to COIN, so the funding and procurement streams were diverted to those purposes and away from sustained "theater level" kinetic operations, as the the military likes to call them.  The long and short of it is that, the U.S. industrial base has shrunk to such a level that it now takes 2-3 years to build a single Patriot missile. 

Do you find that acceptable?
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« Reply #1256 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 09:35 am »
Institutionalized corruption.  This is why our Defense Department is not responsive to warfare evolution.  Hand a contract to Ukraine, and they will be cranking out 20 Patriots a week while Raytheon gets buried in PO that require review by a dozen bureaucratic agencies, each just as corrupt as DOD.  Meanwhile, our soldiers go without.



Raytheon Awarded $2B Missile Contract After Board Member Lloyd Austin Becomes Biden’s Defense Secretary

Ann Brown  |  Jul 06, 2021


Defense weapons manufacturer Raytheon Technologies Corp., for whom Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin served as a board member until earlier this year, has been awarded a contract worth as much as $2 billion to develop a new nuclear cruise missile.

The deal is the first major Biden administration move to replace the country’s aging nuclear arsenal, the Pentagon said in a statement.

The Air Force is expected to buy up to 1,000 long-range standoff weapons to replace the air-launched cruise missile first fielded in 1982, Bloomberg reported.

Some are questioning the timing of the contract. Austin, the first Black Pentagon chief, had been a Raytheon board member since April 2020 — one of the reasons there was initial pushback to his nomination in January.  .  .  .

https://moguldom.com/362051/raytheon-awarded-2b-missile-contract-after-board-member-lloyd-austin-becomes-bidens-defense-secretary/
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1257 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 10:23 am »
Good article posted here:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=586212.msg3337603#msg3337603



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The Replacement Math Does Not Add Up

Consider Tomahawk. At the legacy production rate of approximately 90 missiles per year, replacing an expenditure of 850 missiles, a plausible figure in any significant naval engagement, would require 9.5 years of uninterrupted production. Even at the ambitious new target of 1,000-plus per year, replacing that same stockpile takes nearly a full year. And each Tomahawk costs approximately $3.5 million, carries a 24-month lead time from order to delivery, and requires components sourced from dozens of specialized suppliers.

THAAD tells an even more sobering story. The system has received no new interceptor deliveries since July 2023. A backlog of approximately 100 interceptors is not expected to begin arriving until April 2027, nearly four years without new production reaching the force. Each THAAD interceptor costs between $12.7 million and $15.5 million, making it one of the most expensive conventional missiles in the inventory. At $15 million per round, a single THAAD battery's full load of 48 interceptors represents over $700 million in missiles alone.

The production-versus-consumption gap becomes even more stark when you look at historical expenditure rates. During the opening phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, the U.S. and U.K. fired over 800 Tomahawks in the first month. That was against a regional adversary with limited air defenses and no capacity to threaten American production facilities. A conflict against a near-peer adversary would demand not just more missiles, but more categories of missiles, anti-ship, air defense, land attack, ballistic missile defense, all simultaneously.

Production Rates vs. Targets

Missile SystemCurrent Rate (per year)     Target Rate (per year)     Unit CostTime to Replace 1,000 Units at Target Rate
PrSM45–152550$1.8–3.5M~22 months
THAAD Interceptor     96400$12.7–15.5M~30 months
Tomahawk~901,000+~$3.5M~12 months
Patriot PAC-3 MSE6002000$3.7–4.7M~6 months
SM-6Undisclosed500+$4–5M (est.)     ~24 months
SM-3 Block IIALimitedTBD$24–28MN/A


The table reveals a pattern: even at quadrupled production rates, replacing a serious expenditure of any single system takes one to three years. Replacing expenditures across multiple systems simultaneously, the realistic scenario in a major conflict, would take longer still, because many of these missiles share subsystem suppliers, production facilities, and the same constrained pool of skilled labor.  .  .  .

https://militarymachine.com/pentagon-missile-production-surge-2026




To compare, Ukraine first developed its FP-5 Flamingo cruise missile one year ago.  They currently are producing over 50 missiles per month with a manufacturing target of 200 missiles per month by year's end.  Cost per missile?  Less than $600k.  Compare that to the cost that the US is paying.

Sure, US quality is much better and more accurate.  It works great when fighting a sterile war when you need to hit one house in a neighborhood.  But we need quantity over quality right now.

Ukraine did all this on its own.  No technological help from anyone.  Maybe we should be investing in their military industrial complex instead of making people like Lloyd Austin rich.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1258 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 10:41 am »
Weapons stockpile shortages impacting military strategy in the Mideast

The Pentagon is confronting a growing reality after months of fighting Iran: America's stockpile of missile defense interceptors.

It is shrinking so much, military planners are weighing whether they can continue the current cycle of limited retaliatory strikes.

More:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=584826.msg3337335#msg3337335.

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Report: U.S. Short on Forces to Defend Israel From Iranian Missiles, General Warns
Haaretz, Aug 1, 2026

The top U.S. military chief in Europe warned the Pentagon earlier this week that Washington doesn't have enough naval forces to continue intercepting Iranian ballistic missile attacks on Israel, The Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing officials.

According to the report, U.S. European Command Chief Alexus Grynkewich notified Pentagon officials that without another U.S. Navy destroyer, the command will be forced to choose between defending the United States and defending Israel from Iranian attacks.

Neither Israel, the Pentagon, nor the U.S. European Command responded to The Post's request for comment.

The United States has deployed naval destroyers across the Middle East to aid in Israel's defense, reinforcing its presence after the October 7 attack. U.S. destroyers have participated in intercepting missiles fired by both Iranian forces and Houthi forces in Yemen.

The New York Times reported earlier this month that a major reason U.S. President Donald Trump decided to pause attacks on Iran was the potential for a significant depletion of U.S. air defense supplies in the Middle East.

According to the sources, Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that while expanding strikes against Iran was operationally feasible, doing so could dangerously deplete the supply of interceptors available to U.S. Central Command.

According to a May report in The Post, the United States fired some 300 interceptors to help defend Israel against Iranian ballistic missiles during the war with Iran, compared to about 190 launched by Israel itself.

According to the report, which cited Pentagon assessments and U.S. sources, Washington fired more than 200 high-altitude THAAD interceptors in defense of Israel, roughly half of the Pentagon's total stockpile.

The report added that more than 100 additional interceptors were launched from U.S. Navy ships in the eastern Mediterranean. By comparison, Israel fired fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and about 90 David's Sling missiles.

Pentagon estimates suggest that the United States bore the bulk of the burden of Israel's missile defense. "In total, the U.S. fired around 120 more interceptors and engaged twice as many Iranian missiles," a U.S. administration official was quoted as saying.

According to the Post, the U.S. military significantly depleted parts of its advanced interceptor stockpiles, using far more munitions to defend Israel during the war with Iran than Israel itself.

"Israel is not capable of fighting and winning wars on its own, but nobody actually knows this, because they never see the back end," said a U.S. official quoted in the report.


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-security/2026-08-01/ty-article/report-u-s-lacks-forces-to-defend-israel-from-iranian-missiles-general-warns/0000019f-bd56-ded7-adbf-fddf0d070000






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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1259 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 10:58 am »
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U.S. general warns Pentagon he lacks sufficient forces to protect Israel
A shortage of Navy destroyers, used to defend against Iranian ballistic missile attacks, will force the head of U.S. European Command to prioritize the U.S. homeland instead, officials said.
The Washington Post, Aug 1, 2026

The top U.S. general in Europe privately warned the Pentagon this week that he lacks sufficient naval forces to continue protecting Israel from incoming ballistic missiles, officials said, illustrating how the ongoing Iran war has imposed constraints on the military.

Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, the head of U.S. European Command, sent written notification to senior Pentagon officials saying that without another Navy destroyer he will be forced to choose defense of the United States “homeland” over that of Israel, said the officials, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the correspondence.

The top U.S. general in Europe privately warned the Pentagon this week that he lacks sufficient naval forces to continue protecting Israel from incoming ballistic missiles, officials said, illustrating how the ongoing Iran war has imposed constraints on the military.

The general’s warning comes at a tenuous moment in the five-month conflict, as near-daily attacks have resumed following the collapse of peace talks between Washington and Tehran and the operation’s intensity has drained U.S. supplies of key defensive weapons.

The Navy has been particularly taxed, as the Trump administration has directed a blockade of Iranian ports in response to Tehran’s closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

More:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/08/01/general-warns-pentagon-he-lacks-sufficient-forces-protect-israel/

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1260 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 11:32 am »
This is concerning, it would seem that there has to be a way to ramp up production of what we need and more.

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« Reply #1261 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 12:25 pm »
This is concerning, it would seem that there has to be a way to ramp up production of what we need and more.

There is! 47 & Congress need to get rid of the bureaucracy between the order and the company producing the product as well as any bureaucracy within the company. Then stand up dozens of other defense companies to take up the slack.
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« Reply #1262 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 01:11 pm »
The 2nd Iraq War and Afghanistan were different animals, and (after 2003) resulted in a focus shift from conventional combat to COIN, so the funding and procurement streams were diverted to those purposes and away from sustained "theater level" kinetic operations, as the the military likes to call them.  The long and short of it is that, the U.S. industrial base has shrunk to such a level that it now takes 2-3 years to build a single Patriot missile. 

Do you find that acceptable?
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« Reply #1263 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 01:24 pm »
I find it unacceptable that we had a General as our SecDef who would not change anything to support the military; instead, he focused on his own goals of using the military to implement his own DEI.

I found Austin unacceptable, period.  Who leaves a job that important for months and leaves nobody in charge in his absence?
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« Reply #1264 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 01:54 pm »
There is! 47 & Congress need to get rid of the bureaucracy between the order and the company producing the product as well as any bureaucracy within the company. Then stand up dozens of other defense companies to take up the slack.
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Retired Gen. Jack Keane said Saturday the Trump administration has ample evidence that Iran is neither willing nor able to reach a meaningful agreement, arguing the regime has already failed to honor previous commitments.

Speaking on “Journal Editorial Report,” the Fox News senior strategic analyst pointed to the memorandum of understanding reached after the April ceasefire, saying negotiations have failed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz or produce progress on Iran’s nuclear program.

“The facts pretty much speak for themselves,” Keane said. “I think it’s obvious that the Iranians are not going to make a deal that would satisfy the administration.”

Keane added that even if Tehran were to sign another agreement, “they will not comply with it,” citing what he described as Iran’s failure to uphold the previous memorandum of understanding.
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« Reply #1269 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:00 pm »
Retired Gen. Jack Keane said Saturday the Trump administration has ample evidence that Iran is neither willing nor able to reach a meaningful agreement, arguing the regime has already failed to honor previous commitments.  .  .
.  .  .  Keane added that even if Tehran were to sign another agreement, “they will not comply with it,” citing what he described as Iran’s failure to uphold the previous memorandum of understanding.

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« Reply #1270 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:07 pm »
Retired Gen. Jack Keane said Saturday the Trump administration has ample evidence that Iran is neither willing nor able to reach a meaningful agreement, arguing the regime has already failed to honor previous commitments.

Speaking on “Journal Editorial Report,” the Fox News senior strategic analyst pointed to the memorandum of understanding reached after the April ceasefire, saying negotiations have failed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz or produce progress on Iran’s nuclear program.

“The facts pretty much speak for themselves,” Keane said. “I think it’s obvious that the Iranians are not going to make a deal that would satisfy the administration.”

Keane added that even if Tehran were to sign another agreement, “they will not comply with it,” citing what he described as Iran’s failure to uphold the previous memorandum of understanding.
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Which is what I've been saying from the get-go. Pretty much everybody here has agreed, with the exception of the Briefer who wants Netanyahu and Da Jooooos to lose....
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #6
« Reply #1271 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:25 pm »
I find it unacceptable that we had a General as our SecDef who would not change anything to support the military; instead, he focused on his own goals of using the military to implement his own DEI.

Listen, I agree that Austin was an incompetent DEI hack, but this major problem goes ways back before him, and all the previous SECDEFs are culpable too, beginning with Les Aspin, and including Rumsfeld.

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A U.S. defense official said Grynkewich’s notification appears consistent with past outreach to the Pentagon from the military’s top generals when they see certain risks that require Washington’s consideration. This can occur, the official said, as commanders compete for finite resources and weapons.

I remember when that wasn't even an issue 30 years ago...remember Colin Powell's two war doctrine that was so casually tossed away?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine

https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/reprising-the-powell-doctrine/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/prudent-or-paranoid-the-pentagons-two-war-plans/

In hindsight, it's looking pretty good right now since we can't even apparently fight one war.   9999hair out0000
 
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« Reply #1272 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:29 pm »

https://twitter.com/Chicago1Ray/status/2083642916958785925

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« Reply #1273 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:34 pm »
Listen, I agree that Austin was an incompetent DEI hack, but this major problem goes ways back before him, and all the previous SECDEFs are culpable too, beginning with Les Aspin, and including Rumsfeld.

I remember when that wasn't even an issue 30 years ago...remember Colin Powell's two war doctrine that was so casually tossed away?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine

https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/reprising-the-powell-doctrine/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/prudent-or-paranoid-the-pentagons-two-war-plans/

In hindsight, it's looking pretty good right now since we can't even apparently fight one war.   9999hair out0000
 

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« Reply #1274 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:37 pm »


Compiled from open source information...it's available to the general public:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/renewed-iran-war-would-test-diminished-interceptor-inventories

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Source: Authors’ calculations based on FY 2027 DOD budget materials and publicly released information. Methodology detailed in Mark F. Cancian and Chris H. Park, “Last Rounds? Status of Key Munitions at the Iran War Ceasefire,” CSIS, April 21, 2026.

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« Reply #1275 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 03:40 pm »
I remember Colin Powell as a man who threw it all away when he endorsed O'Bastard for President because he was black. :shrug:

He did, but that's irrelevant because militarily, he was a very good strategist and planner, and all of his warnings about Iraq came to pass.

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"You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people," he told the president. "You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all." Privately, Powell and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it.

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I remember Colin Powell as a man who threw it all away when he endorsed O'Bastard for President because he was black. :shrug:

It was all about that "hope and change" that didn't benefit our country.   
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« Reply #1277 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 04:34 pm »
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U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has temporarily paused its operations for 48 hours.

This came after calls from the foreign ministers of Turkey, Qatar, and Pakistan regarding Iran’s readiness to hold a meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, to continue negotiations.

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I remember Colin Powell as a man who threw it all away when he endorsed O'Bastard for President because he was black. :shrug:

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« Reply #1280 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 05:17 pm »
🇮🇷 Iran: "Our uranium centrifuges are buried 300 feet deep inside granite mountains. Your air force will merely scratch the surface."

🇮🇱 Israel: "We don't need to break the mountain. We'll simply cut off the air supply and turn your deep fortress into a multi-million-dollar tomb."

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This is what phosgene was invented for.  Almost 3½ times heavier than air.  It will go deep.
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« Reply #1281 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 05:21 pm »
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U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has temporarily paused its operations for 48 hours.

This came after calls from the foreign ministers of Turkey, Qatar, and Pakistan regarding Iran’s readiness to hold a meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, to continue negotiations.

• Source: Axios
7:23 PM · Aug 1, 2026

More MOU BS.  Trump's a damned fool if he continues to go along with this stringing-along nonsense.

In other related news...the Saudis are ready to surrender.

Scoop: MBS raises concerns over Trump's plans for massive Iran strikes

https://www.axios.com/2026/08/01/saudi-crown-prince-trump-iran-attacks

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« Reply #1282 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 05:27 pm »
I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Colin Powell chose the color of his skin. He was found wanting....
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I remember Colin Powell as a man who threw it all away when he endorsed O'Bastard for President because he was black. :shrug:
In other words, he is racist.
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« Reply #1284 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 05:33 pm »
In other words, he is racist.

Yes.  Too bad because he was doing so well before he blew it.
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SAUDI CROWN PRINCE URGES TRUMP TO STEP BACK FROM IRAN STRIKE PLAN

Axios reports Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman urged President Trump to abandon plans for major new strikes on Iran, reportedly telling him he “expressed concern and asked for clarity” and calling on Trump to “take a step back.”
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« Reply #1286 on: Saturday, Aug 01, 2026 07:03 pm »
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U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has temporarily paused its operations for 48 hours.

This came after calls from the foreign ministers of Turkey, Qatar, and Pakistan regarding Iran’s readiness to hold a meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, to continue negotiations.

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Trump says he and Israel have called off Iran attack after receiving assurance that deal is imminent
Times of Israel, Aug 2, 2026

US President Donald Trump says he has called off a major attack on Iran after being assured by Tehran and other Middle East countries that a framework for a deal to fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz and “end the Iran nuclear threat” has been reached, adding that Israel is also on board with holding off on a major strike against the Islamic Republic.

“The USA is locked and loaded and ready to go against the Islamic Republic of Iran, at levels of military terror, strength and Power not seen since World War II,” Trump writes on Truth Social.

“Despite this, we have just been asked by Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries to hold off any attack in that the perimeters of a deal has been agreed to,” he continues.

This would include the Immediate, complete, and total OPENING OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT and an end to Iran’s nuclear threat,” Trump claims.

Based on this request, I have agreed, for the future benefit of the WORLD and, likewise, the survival of a successful and prosperous Iran, to cancel the attack, subject to being able to rapidly make a DEAL,” he adds.

The country of Israel joins me in this commitment. Get to work, everybody, and get it DONE,” he adds.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-he-and-israel-have-called-off-iran-attack-after-receiving-assurance-that-deal-is-imminent/



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Based on this request, I have agreed, for the future benefit of the WORLD and, likewise, the survival of a successful and prosperous Iran, to cancel the attack, subject to being able to rapidly make a DEAL,” he adds.

What a sucker.

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Trump Cancels Iran Attack After ‘Perimeters’ of Deal Reached; Hormuz to Open, Nuclear Threat Set to Be Ended

President Donald Trump announced Saturday night he canceled a planned U.S. attack on Iran after Tehran and other Middle Eastern countries asked him to hold fire. The “perimeters” of a deal were subsequently agreed to he said would fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz and end Iran’s nuclear threat.


https://twitter.com/RapidResponse47/status/2083736827186249923

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I need to stop reading tis thread.
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I need to stop reading tis thread.

This talk of the US surrendering to a country we just bombed to the stone age is disheartening.
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Trump Cancels Iran Attack After ‘Perimeters’ of Deal Reached; Hormuz to Open, Nuclear Threat Set to Be Ended

President Donald Trump announced Saturday night he canceled a planned U.S. attack on Iran after Tehran and other Middle Eastern countries asked him to hold fire. The “perimeters” of a deal were subsequently agreed to he said would fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz and end Iran’s nuclear threat.

Never, ever get involved in Middle East politics.  The American nation is built for solutions, progress, action;  all Middle Eastern nations are built for swimming in blood feuds ---  Engage in commerce, but nothing else --- with any of them.  Period.






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Iran's leadership remains divided as peace talks begin once again

Iran's leadership remains deeply divided over negotiations with the U.S., with the most radical factions in Tehran arguing that talks shouldn't take place at all.

Leading the furthest fringes is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps representing the "Paydari" movement – Persian for "stability." This group insists Iran cannot make any concessions to the U.S. and insists Tehran must win an absolute victory militarily.

The faction in favor of negotiations with the U.S. is led by Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian and parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf. They argue that negotiations are a twin path to victory alongside military action.

“Negotiation is a political tool and a complement to military action to force the enemy to a point of compulsion and extract real concessions,” an adviser to Qalibaf, Mahdi Mohammadi, wrote on social media last week.

The success of either faction will have major implications for how Iran operates after the war with he U.S. concludes.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Trump Cancels Iran Attack After ‘Perimeters’ of Deal Reached; Hormuz to Open, Nuclear Threat Set to Be Ended

President Donald Trump announced Saturday night he canceled a planned U.S. attack on Iran after Tehran and other Middle Eastern countries asked him to hold fire. The “perimeters” of a deal were subsequently agreed to he said would fully reopen the Strait of Hormuz and end Iran’s nuclear threat.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2026/08/02/trump-cancels-iran-attack-after-perimeters-of-deal-reached-hormuz-to-open-nuclear-threat-set-to-be-ended/

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Bombshell report suggests China's involvement in Iran war

Retired Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt joined 'The Sunday Briefing' to analyze President Donald Trump's decision to cancel strikes on Iran subject to a deal as well as reports of China supplying weapons to Iran.

Fox News' Jennifer Griffin reported last week on allegations that China is sending air defense missile launchers to bolster Iran's air defense systems amid its war with the U.S.
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