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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1750 on: Today at 04:19 am »
Nope.

There is also no repercussions for violations.

PS. The word “inalienable” pretty much means not challengeable.
I guess if it is called an 'inalienable right', there really is no sense in having a treaty in the first place, eh?  Especially if there are no repercussions for violations.

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I guess if it is called an 'inalienable right', there really is no sense in having a treaty in the first place, eh?  Especially if there are no repercussions for violations.

Read The Last Wire today. It covers all that.
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Read The Last Wire today. It covers all that.
Sorry, can you send a link?
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"The growth of knowledge depends entirely upon disagreement." — Karl Popper

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« Reply #1756 on: Today at 08:20 am »
Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history
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« Reply #1757 on: Today at 08:31 am »
@Luis Gonzalez I have pretty much accepted that @BobfromWB has absolutely ZERO credibility on any thing he says. Someone floated the idea that Iran might be able to dig out the nuclear material and this was refuted due to the location being "hotter than Chernobyl", Bobby said that in initial comment he said they could go in with remote controls vehicles of some sort.  When I reposted his comment showing that he has never said that he went radio silent. When I read his posts I just picture Biden, AOC, or Kamala yapping away.

You'd think you never heard of remote controlled mining machines - very common mining tech. But then in your world anything that does not fit your narrative is "refuted".

BTW, 47 said only the US and China have the tech. China being an ally of Iran and having given them everything they need, except troops, could give them the proper tunneling machine, if they haven't already.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1758 on: Today at 08:46 am »
You'd think you never heard of remote controlled mining machines - very common mining tech. But then in your world anything that does not fit your narrative is "refuted".

BTW, 47 said only the US and China have the tech. China being an ally of Iran and having given them everything they need, except troops, could give them the proper tunneling machine, if they haven't already.
Two choices Bobby: 1) Link to the exact post where you said "REMOTE controlled", prior to me pointing out your BS.
Or
2) STFU.
Seriously put up or shut up.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1759 on: Today at 08:56 am »
You'd think you never heard of remote controlled mining machines - very common mining tech. But then in your world anything that does not fit your narrative is "refuted".

BTW, 47 said only the US and China have the tech. China being an ally of Iran and having given them everything they need, except troops, could give them the proper tunneling machine, if they haven't already.

Yep, very common technology now...the Iranians can recover their nuclear equipment fairly quickly with Russian and ChiCom help.

Robotics: who are the leaders in robotic coal mining?

https://www.mining-technology.com/data-insights/robotics-innovation-leading-companies-in-robotic-coal-mining/

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The mining industry continues to be a hotbed of innovation. Activity is driven by safety, productivity and cost control. Robots are designed to increase mine safety by preventing mine accidents that are relatively frequent in underground coal mines. Robotics, integrated with Artificial Intelligence and Internet of Things, can help mining companies develop technologically sound mining infrastructure that can enhance safety and improve accessibility. In the last three years alone, there have been over 48,000 patents filed and granted in the mining industry, according to GlobalData’s report on Robotics in Mining: Robotic Coal Mining
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1760 on: Today at 10:47 am »
Yep, very common technology now...the Iranians can recover their nuclear equipment fairly quickly with Russian and ChiCom help.

Robotics: who are the leaders in robotic coal mining?

https://www.mining-technology.com/data-insights/robotics-innovation-leading-companies-in-robotic-coal-mining/

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@Luis Gonzalez I have pretty much accepted that @BobfromWB has absolutely ZERO credibility on any thing he says. Someone floated the idea that Iran might be able to dig out the nuclear material and this was refuted due to the location being "hotter than Chernobyl", Bobby said that in initial comment he said they could go in with remote controls vehicles of some sort.  When I reposted his comment showing that he has never said that he went radio silent. When I read his posts I just picture Biden, AOC, or Kamala yapping away.

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That verga has got quite the mouth on him - a TOS trouble maker come here perhaps.
Hmmm, am I seeing a case of projection here? :pondering:

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« Reply #1763 on: Today at 11:49 am »
OK. Let’s try settling this. You all truly need to embrace enhanced search engines.

Here’s the grounded version without the noise.

Yes—Iran can physically reach and recover material from a buried, collapsed underground facility without external help. That’s not speculation; that’s basic tunneling and mining capability. Iran already has the equipment, engineers, and experience to cut into mountains, stabilize collapsed tunnels, and run heavy excavation operations. None of that requires foreign contractors.

Robotics doesn’t change the core answer either—it just improves safety and reach. Mine-rescue robots, remote drills, mapping systems, and borehole probes already exist and are used in far worse environments than nuclear sites. But they only work if you can create access. The limiting factor is always the same: can you physically open or re-open a path into the structure?

Also, a lot of people overstate the radiation angle. Enrichment facilities like Fordow are not reactor cores. The problem is contamination and debris, not catastrophic radiation fields that make entry impossible. That difference matters a lot when people start talking about “impossible zones.”

Where things get messy is scale and time. Even if access is possible, you’re talking about collapsed rock, unknown voids, unstable tunnels, and possibly multiple entry points to chase. That’s months to years of engineering work, not a quick recovery mission.

So the clean way to put it is this:

* Physically possible without external help → yes
* Technically straightforward or fast → no
* Dependent on robotics → only partially (robots help, but don’t solve access)
* Equivalent to “can’t be done” → definitely incorrect

The real argument isn’t whether Iran can do it. It’s how long it takes, how much survives intact, and whether recovery is meaningful enough to matter strategically afterward.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1764 on: Today at 12:08 pm »
That verga has got quite the mouth on him - a TOS trouble maker come here perhaps.
Bobby, I see you still refusing to Put up or shut up.
Either document that you made the claim tol drill using robotics before I (and several others) called you out on your BS ro STFU.
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