Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[mystery-ak]

TBR has few rules...we encourage robust debates but we draw the line on personal attacks. If this continues on this thread the MODS and I will remove/edit that post.

[mystery-ak]

Have some cake Luis...

[Luis Gonzalez]

Prediction 4: 47 resigns from office, leaving the ill-equipped Pit Bull to run the country.

That came from James Carville.

We promote and use James Carville now?

Seriously.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Have some cake Luis...

I am already buzzing from the sugar high from the last piece. 

[libertybele]

THE ART OF THE MEAL: Vance Says Any Unfrozen Iranian Assets Would Be Used to Buy American Crops



Vice President JD Vance on Monday pushed back against criticism of the Trump administration’s emerging framework for potentially unfrozen Iranian assets, insisting any future release of funds would be subject to strict oversight and directed toward purchases that benefit American farmers and ordinary Iranians.

Speaking to reporters in Bürgenstock, Switzerland, after high-level negotiations wrapped up, Vance said reports suggesting Iran would gain unrestricted access to frozen assets were inaccurate.

According to Vance, the arrangement negotiated alongside Qatari officials would require approval from both the United States and Qatar before any unfrozen Iranian funds could be spent.

“If there is any frozen Iranian assets that are unfrozen, then we have approval over that process, the Qataris have approval over that process,” Vance said. “The money would actually go to buy American soy, American corn and American wheat for the benefit of the Iranian people.”

Vance argued the structure was specifically designed to prevent funds from being diverted to Iran’s government, military operations or terrorist proxies.

“The money would go to feed the Iranian people while supporting American agriculture,” he said, describing the arrangement as a safeguard against misuse..........

https://hannity.com/media-room/the-art-of-the-meal-vance-says-any-unfrozen-iranian-assets-would-be-used-to-buy-american-crops/

https://www.news18.com/world/vance-suggests-solution-for-unfrozen-iran-assets-buy-us-corn-wheat-for-iranian-benefit-ws-l-10166350.html

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4w8b1aDRT3o

[Timber Rattler]

THE ART OF THE MEAL: Vance Says Any Unfrozen Iranian Assets Would Be Used to Buy American Crops

Vance is a complete fool.  I've lost all respect for him now, and I used to like him a lot.  But this is just plain stupid.

[corbe]

   I never trusted him or Pence to begin with.

[libertybele]

Vance is a complete fool.  I've lost all respect for him now, and I used to like him a lot.  But this is just plain stupid.

This surprised me as well. 

[Idiot]

Vance is a complete fool.  I've lost all respect for him now, and I used to like him a lot.  But this is just plain stupid.

As seen yesterday, the information posted here wasn't very reliable.  Why don't y'all chill out and see what the final agreement looks like instead of having a conniption fit over every jot and tittle.  This thread is becoming DU junior....

[Timber Rattler]

As seen yesterday, the information posted here wasn't very reliable.  Why don't y'all chill out and see what the final agreement looks like instead of having a conniption fit over every jot and tittle.  This thread is becoming DU junior....

Dude, Vance is on video spouting this nonsense in response to a reporter's question.  That IS the agreement, and it is predicated upon us trusting Qatar to act as an honest broker.

Seriously?

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/2069053015013667103

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/2069076451358351497

[libertybele]

As seen yesterday, the information posted here wasn't very reliable.  Why don't y'all chill out and see what the final agreement looks like instead of having a conniption fit over every jot and tittle.  This thread is becoming DU junior....

No not having a 'coniption fit' while it would be a wonderful thing if the assets actually benefited American farmers and the Iranian people, this idea is unrealistic.  This is entrusting that the leaders of Iran would actually allow any benefit to the Iranian people. 

Yes, there is lots of conflicting information and disinformation -- final agreement????   

Sure we can wait to see if Iran honors any commitments; right now news is also being reported that Iran has agreed to allow nuclear inspectors into the country.  We have seen by their past actions that their word hasn't exactly been trustworthy.
 

[mystery-ak]

I agree with Mark

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/2069026233573110177

[Bigun]

Smith cites Warner and bases his entire theory on Warner.

Hhes refuted by all mainstream scholars as well.

Challenge your own beliefs dude. It’s the only way you will learn the truth.

And your knowledge of all things Middle East comes from???

As I said, I spent eleven years plus living and working there and will put what I actually know against what you THINK you know until the cows come home.

Perhaps YOU should practice what you preach and challenge YOUR beliefs.

[Bigun]

I agree with Mark

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/2069026233573110177

And so do I!

[Bigun]

THE ART OF THE MEAL: Vance Says Any Unfrozen Iranian Assets Would Be Used to Buy American Crops

That's the craziest thing I've heard yet!

Keep talking J. D. maybe you can get your credibility all the way down to the level of your BFF Tucker Carlson.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/2069053015013667103

Yet another free gift handed to the IRGC, worth well over $10 billion in cash.  And in return we get nothing.

[Timber Rattler]

Iran Backflips on Nuclear Inspections After Oil Sanctions Lifted, Contradicts Vance

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2026/06/22/shock-iran-backflips-on-nuclear-inspections-after-oil-sanctions-lifted-n3816206

In a move that shocks precisely nobody, Iran has done a 180 and denied that the regime has agreed to IAEA inspections any time soon, if ever.

They made the announcement within minutes of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant announcing that the United States has lifted all sanctions on Iranian oil, which can now be legally traded, in dollars no less, and be sold anywhere within the world without restrictions at market prices.

(snip)

It seems obvious that Iran is saying one thing behind the scenes and another in front of the cameras. Its claim to have walked away from negotiations yesterday proved half true—its top officials refused to sit down or even meet with Vice President Vance's team, but its lower-level negotiators remained in talks with our lower-level folks.

(snip)

The goal, it seems, is to drag out the negotiations as long as possible to secure concessions, such as lifting sanctions, while simultaneously publicly humiliating the United States. Presumably Iran did concede the point in some way or another that the IAEA would inspect its nuclear facilities behind closed doors, or Vance wouldn't have touted the fact.

But apparently they wanted to lure him into the statement in order to contradict it once the sanctions were lifted.

EXCERPT

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/2069094242824159307

[libertybele]

I think the first line says it all; it's what most of us expected.

"In a move that shocks precisely nobody, Iran has done a 180" .... Surprise, surprise  -- NOT

[mystery-ak]

David Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
·
4h
By the way: The Iranian regime owes American victims of Iranian terrorism over $50 billion in damages. There are over 90  judgments against Iran.  Surely, our vice president brought that up in face-to-face peace negotiations.

[libertybele]

David Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
·
4h
By the way: The Iranian regime owes American victims of Iranian terrorism over $50 billion in damages. There are over 90  judgments against Iran.  Surely, our vice president brought that up in face-to-face peace negotiations.

....hmmm .... I think JD is in over his head.

[Luis Gonzalez]

And your knowledge of all things Middle East comes from???

As I said, I spent eleven years plus living and working there and will put what I actually know against what you THINK you know until the cows come home.

Perhaps YOU should practice what you preach and challenge YOUR beliefs.

Your anecdotal evidence is actually irrelevant and contradictory to your own claims of their sanguinity.

You lived.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

This guy is a hack, not a historian. The second guy in the video is his acolyte.

If you’re willing to stand on that hill, you go.

Just don’t try to pass it off as anything other than what it is.

It’s polemics with lipstick on, and I will challenge anyone throwing it around so that other people understand who he was and how his methodology is bullshit.

Why do we need to promote lies and bad history, when all we need to know to reach the understanding that Iran needs to be dealt with is hitting us in the face daily?

[Bigun]

Your anecdotal evidence is actually irrelevant and contradictory to your own claims of their sanguinity.

You lived.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

This guy is a hack, not a historian. The second guy in the video is his acolyte.

If you’re willing to stand on that hill, you go.

Just don’t try to pass it off as anything other than what it is.

It’s polemics with lipstick on, and I will challenge anyone throwing it around so that other people understand who he was and how his methodology is bullshit.

Why do we need to promote lies and bad history, when all we need to know to reach the understanding that Iran needs to be dealt with is hitting us in the face daily?

OK! Forget everything I said above except for "the radical 12th Imam Shite Mullahs who currently rule Iran have got to go! ALL of them! And they must never be allowed to rule anything anywhere ever again!"

As long as you agree with that, nothing else matters to me.

And BTW: If you think most historians bear any fidelity to truth you are sadly mistaken.

[Luis Gonzalez]

OK! Forget everything I said above except for "the radical 12th Imam Shite Mullahs who currently rule Iran have got to go! ALL of them! And they must never be allowed to rule anything anywhere ever again!"

As long as you agree with that, nothing else matters to me.

And BTW: If you think most historians bear any fidelity to truth you are sadly mistaken.

I don’t believe that eradicating the Mullahs won’t be possible or effective. It may just simply become another Martyrs’ Holiday for terrorists.

The Republican Guard was born of this conflict and has been preparing for this very fight for the past 50 years.

Israel needs to cut the heads off many snakes.

[Luis Gonzalez]

OK! Forget everything I said above except for "the radical 12th Imam Shite Mullahs who currently rule Iran have got to go! ALL of them! And they must never be allowed to rule anything anywhere ever again!"

As long as you agree with that, nothing else matters to me.

And BTW: If you think most historians bear any fidelity to truth you are sadly mistaken.

I’d you rely on mathematicians and theologians for your history…

[bigheadfred]

Here ya go...

Mario Nawfal

@MarioNawfal
·
1h
🇮🇱🇮🇷 Israeli state-adjacent TV has found the explanation for why Trump signed the Iran deal and it's not the $300 billion reconstruction fund or the gas prices or the 37% approval rating

It's an Iranian electromagnetic brain wave weapon.

Uri Geller (the spoon-bending guy, yes that one) went on Channel 14 and explained that Iran has been beaming low-frequency waves into Trump's brain to change his behavior and that's why the MOU happened.

Russia has the technology. North Korea has it. Iran has it. And someone, he won't say who, has already asked Uri Geller to use his psychic abilities to counteract the Iranian mind control.

He's working on it.

Source: Channel 14 via
@TabzLIVE
 on TG / Writer: Oliver

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/2069096384389927167

[Cyber Liberty]

Here ya go...

Mario Nawfal

@MarioNawfal
·
1h
🇮🇱🇮🇷 Israeli state-adjacent TV has found the explanation for why Trump signed the Iran deal and it's not the $300 billion reconstruction fund or the gas prices or the 37% approval rating

It's an Iranian electromagnetic brain wave weapon.

Uri Geller (the spoon-bending guy, yes that one) went on Channel 14 and explained that Iran has been beaming low-frequency waves into Trump's brain to change his behavior and that's why the MOU happened.

Russia has the technology. North Korea has it. Iran has it. And someone, he won't say who, has already asked Uri Geller to use his psychic abilities to counteract the Iranian mind control.

He's working on it.

Source: Channel 14 via
@TabzLIVE
 on TG / Writer: Oliver

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/2069096384389927167

Now, that's entertainment!

[Bigun]

I’d you rely on mathematicians and theologians for your history…

How about reading original documents for myself?

"History is whatever historians say it is!" Said to me directly by a professor of history emeritus at a major university. I believe him.

[bigheadfred]

Now, that's entertainment!

  

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2069114727435743583

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2069113826599907741

[Luis Gonzalez]

How about reading original documents for myself?

"History is whatever historians say it is!" Said to me directly by a professor of history emeritus at a major university. I believe him.

More anecdotal evidence.

I had a bespectacled rabbit tell me all sorts of shits once… back in the seventies.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/2069108030319337704

[BobfromWB]

THE ART OF THE MEAL: Vance Says Any Unfrozen Iranian Assets Would Be Used to Buy American Crops

Vice President JD Vance on Monday pushed back against criticism of the Trump administration’s emerging framework for potentially unfrozen Iranian assets, insisting any future release of funds would be subject to strict oversight and directed toward purchases that benefit American farmers and ordinary Iranians.

Speaking to reporters in Bürgenstock, Switzerland, after high-level negotiations wrapped up, Vance said reports suggesting Iran would gain unrestricted access to frozen assets were inaccurate.

According to Vance, the arrangement negotiated alongside Qatari officials would require approval from both the United States and Qatar before any unfrozen Iranian funds could be spent.

“If there is any frozen Iranian assets that are unfrozen, then we have approval over that process, the Qataris have approval over that process,” Vance said. “The money would actually go to buy American soy, American corn and American wheat for the benefit of the Iranian people.”

Vance argued the structure was specifically designed to prevent funds from being diverted to Iran’s government, military operations or terrorist proxies.

“The money would go to feed the Iranian people while supporting American agriculture,” he said, describing the arrangement as a safeguard against misuse..........

https://hannity.com/media-room/the-art-of-the-meal-vance-says-any-unfrozen-iranian-assets-would-be-used-to-buy-american-crops/

https://www.news18.com/world/vance-suggests-solution-for-unfrozen-iran-assets-buy-us-corn-wheat-for-iranian-benefit-ws-l-10166350.html

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4w8b1aDRT3o

Ordinary Iranians? Do they look different from IRGC/Al Qods, Basji, police? A hair style perhaps?

[BobfromWB]

I think the first line says it all; it's what most of us expected.

"In a move that shocks precisely nobody, Iran has done a 180" .... Surprise, surprise  -- NOT

Well, I assure you it came as quite a surprise to Beesman, Witless, and Peachman - as well as 47! Just absolutely shocking, I tell you!

[BobfromWB]

David Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
·
4h
By the way: The Iranian regime owes American victims of Iranian terrorism over $50 billion in damages. There are over 90  judgments against Iran.  Surely, our vice president brought that up in face-to-face peace negotiations.

What? JDV bring up old laundry? Seriously?