Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[240B]

The winner of a war does not beg the loser of a war for
'A DEAL'

Trump is a crazy person

[Hoodat]

Batya Ungar-Sargon
@bungarsargon

A major silver lining of this difficult week has been the total unmasking of the Vice President.

https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/2067968512249725109

9:08 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  289.5K Views

https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/2067972823826542836

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't have to.  The burden of proof is on you.  You were the one who made the claim.  Remember?  Clearly, you can't back it up.  Again.  But that is what happens when you post the first lie that pops in your head without thinking.  But even worse, you continue to stand by the lie even when everyone else here recognizes it as a lie.  It's how you roll.  No different than any other Democrat.

Her general dislike of Da Joooos hides a lot of sins.  She'll never answer your question.

[Hoodat]

Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid

Wikipedia page for "2026 Iran war" 😳



3:08 PM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  14.7K Views

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2068063400018456968

[Cyber Liberty]

Batya Ungar-Sargon
@bungarsargon

A major silver lining of this difficult week has been the total unmasking of the Vice President.

https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/2067968512249725109

9:08 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  289.5K Views

https://x.com/bungarsargon/status/2067972823826542836

I wouldn't go that far.  Disinterested, perhaps.

[Cyber Liberty]

Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid

Wikipedia page for "2026 Iran war" 😳



3:08 PM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  14.7K Views

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2068063400018456968

I think it's foolish to declare a Victor at this point. 

[Hoodat]

Afshine Emrani MD FACC
@afshineemrani

An Open Letter to @VP President J.D. Vance

This week you stood at the @WhiteHouse podium and told the world that @POTUS Trump is the only head of state left who is sympathetic to Israel — and that Israel cannot "kill its way out" of the dangers around her. You offered it as a rebuke. Receive it as one returned.

Be precise about the paper you were defending.

It reopens the Strait of Hormuz to the regime that closed it. It lifts the blockade on Iran's ports. It cracks the door to sanctions relief and billions in frozen assets flowing back to Tehran. It silences the guns on every front, including Lebanon, while leaving Iran's missiles intact and her proxies in place. It was signed over dinner at Versailles. And tonight it is celebrated in Tehran as a victory over Israel and America both.

Then you turned to the one nation that has actually bled to stop a nuclear Iran — and lectured her about restraint.

You call this sympathy. We have a longer memory than that.

Israel has never survived on the sympathy of the powerful, and she has buried every man certain he knew what was best for the Jews. Pharaoh was certain. Haman — in this very Persia whose regime you now court — held the king's signet ring and a date on the calendar, and ended on the gallows he built. Babylon was certain. Rome carved its certainty into a triumphal arch that still stands in a city of ruins, while the people it mocked rebuilt their own. Every empire was sure of its leverage. Every one is now a chapter in someone else's book — and the someone is us.

You speak of isolation as though it were a verdict. We have heard that verdict in a dozen languages across thirty centuries. We mourned. We endured. We outlived the men who pronounced it.

Now hear what is written, because you have entered a story older than this administration.

The prophet Ezekiel foresaw a latter day when a vast coalition — Gog of Magog, with Persia at its side — would mass against a restored Israel like a cloud covering the land. And in the hour she appears to stand utterly alone, deliverance comes not from the armies of men. The earth convulses. Confusion falls until every invader's sword turns on his brother. Fire and hailstones rain from heaven. When it ends, Israel does not call for foreign aid to clear the field — she burns the weapons of her enemies for seven years. And the nations are made to understand whose people these are: they shall know that I am the LORD.

Israel's survival was never indexed to American approval. She needs no memorandum, no signature at a French palace, no fourteen points authored by men who will be out of office before the ink fades. Your pressure is a footnote in a chapter finished before any of us were born.

Genesis 12:3 has not been repealed: I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. It is not a slogan. It is the operating principle of history — and the evidence is every empire I just named. President Trump built a historic friendship on that truth, and the blessing followed the friendship. It does not follow the pressure. America's standing before God is not secured by lecturing the Jewish state into weakness; it is secured by standing with her when it is hard.

So before this country lectures Israel again, remember the pattern, because it is unbroken: every generation produces men — powerful, clever, sure of their own good intentions — convinced they know what is best for the Jews. And every generation has been corrected, not by the Jews, but by history, and by the God who keeps His covenant.

Politicians come and go. Administrations rise and fall. Memorandums are signed and quietly broken.

The Jewish people endure.
Small in size.
Ancient in history.
Unbreakable in spirit.
She does not seek your permission to survive. She will defend herself because she must — and because the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fights for her, as He always has.
עם ישראל חי — the people of Israel live.

10:36 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  30.7K Views

https://x.com/afshineemrani/status/2067995033069048304

[Hoodat]

I think it's foolish to declare a Victor at this point.

Even after one side surrenders?  Cash is now flowing in to the IRGC as Iran sends their oil out onto the open seas at full market price.  They couldn't do this before the war started.  But now they can.

[rustynail]

The spirit of Eeyore walks among us.

[Hoodat]

World Source News
@Worldsource24

Iran's Persian Gulf Strait Authority said that although no fees will be charged during the 60-day window, vessels must still engage with it to obtain transit permits with requests submitted 48 hours in advance.



6:17 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  2,221 Views

https://x.com/Worldsource24/status/2067929871188152403

[LMAO]

If the Republican fail at governing, and the far left ends up with control of both houses and the presidency in 2028; then, yes, the country would have been better off letting Kamala fail at governing.

Yup

[libertybele]

Afshine Emrani MD FACC
@afshineemrani

An Open Letter to @VP President J.D. Vance

This week you stood at the @WhiteHouse podium and told the world that @POTUS Trump is the only head of state left who is sympathetic to Israel — and that Israel cannot "kill its way out" of the dangers around her. You offered it as a rebuke. Receive it as one returned.

Be precise about the paper you were defending.

It reopens the Strait of Hormuz to the regime that closed it. It lifts the blockade on Iran's ports. It cracks the door to sanctions relief and billions in frozen assets flowing back to Tehran. It silences the guns on every front, including Lebanon, while leaving Iran's missiles intact and her proxies in place. It was signed over dinner at Versailles. And tonight it is celebrated in Tehran as a victory over Israel and America both.

Then you turned to the one nation that has actually bled to stop a nuclear Iran — and lectured her about restraint.

You call this sympathy. We have a longer memory than that.

Israel has never survived on the sympathy of the powerful, and she has buried every man certain he knew what was best for the Jews. Pharaoh was certain. Haman — in this very Persia whose regime you now court — held the king's signet ring and a date on the calendar, and ended on the gallows he built. Babylon was certain. Rome carved its certainty into a triumphal arch that still stands in a city of ruins, while the people it mocked rebuilt their own. Every empire was sure of its leverage. Every one is now a chapter in someone else's book — and the someone is us.

You speak of isolation as though it were a verdict. We have heard that verdict in a dozen languages across thirty centuries. We mourned. We endured. We outlived the men who pronounced it.

Now hear what is written, because you have entered a story older than this administration.

The prophet Ezekiel foresaw a latter day when a vast coalition — Gog of Magog, with Persia at its side — would mass against a restored Israel like a cloud covering the land. And in the hour she appears to stand utterly alone, deliverance comes not from the armies of men. The earth convulses. Confusion falls until every invader's sword turns on his brother. Fire and hailstones rain from heaven. When it ends, Israel does not call for foreign aid to clear the field — she burns the weapons of her enemies for seven years. And the nations are made to understand whose people these are: they shall know that I am the LORD.

Israel's survival was never indexed to American approval. She needs no memorandum, no signature at a French palace, no fourteen points authored by men who will be out of office before the ink fades. Your pressure is a footnote in a chapter finished before any of us were born.

Genesis 12:3 has not been repealed: I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. It is not a slogan. It is the operating principle of history — and the evidence is every empire I just named. President Trump built a historic friendship on that truth, and the blessing followed the friendship. It does not follow the pressure. America's standing before God is not secured by lecturing the Jewish state into weakness; it is secured by standing with her when it is hard.

So before this country lectures Israel again, remember the pattern, because it is unbroken: every generation produces men — powerful, clever, sure of their own good intentions — convinced they know what is best for the Jews. And every generation has been corrected, not by the Jews, but by history, and by the God who keeps His covenant.

Politicians come and go. Administrations rise and fall. Memorandums are signed and quietly broken.

The Jewish people endure.
Small in size.
Ancient in history.
Unbreakable in spirit.
She does not seek your permission to survive. She will defend herself because she must — and because the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fights for her, as He always has.
עם ישראל חי — the people of Israel live.

10:36 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  30.7K Views

https://x.com/afshineemrani/status/2067995033069048304

Great post!!!!

[Cyber Liberty]

Afshine Emrani MD FACC
@afshineemrani

An Open Letter to @VP President J.D. Vance

This week you stood at the @WhiteHouse podium and told the world that @POTUS Trump is the only head of state left who is sympathetic to Israel — and that Israel cannot "kill its way out" of the dangers around her. You offered it as a rebuke. Receive it as one returned.

Be precise about the paper you were defending.

It reopens the Strait of Hormuz to the regime that closed it. It lifts the blockade on Iran's ports. It cracks the door to sanctions relief and billions in frozen assets flowing back to Tehran. It silences the guns on every front, including Lebanon, while leaving Iran's missiles intact and her proxies in place. It was signed over dinner at Versailles. And tonight it is celebrated in Tehran as a victory over Israel and America both.

Then you turned to the one nation that has actually bled to stop a nuclear Iran — and lectured her about restraint.

You call this sympathy. We have a longer memory than that.

Israel has never survived on the sympathy of the powerful, and she has buried every man certain he knew what was best for the Jews. Pharaoh was certain. Haman — in this very Persia whose regime you now court — held the king's signet ring and a date on the calendar, and ended on the gallows he built. Babylon was certain. Rome carved its certainty into a triumphal arch that still stands in a city of ruins, while the people it mocked rebuilt their own. Every empire was sure of its leverage. Every one is now a chapter in someone else's book — and the someone is us.

You speak of isolation as though it were a verdict. We have heard that verdict in a dozen languages across thirty centuries. We mourned. We endured. We outlived the men who pronounced it.

Now hear what is written, because you have entered a story older than this administration.

The prophet Ezekiel foresaw a latter day when a vast coalition — Gog of Magog, with Persia at its side — would mass against a restored Israel like a cloud covering the land. And in the hour she appears to stand utterly alone, deliverance comes not from the armies of men. The earth convulses. Confusion falls until every invader's sword turns on his brother. Fire and hailstones rain from heaven. When it ends, Israel does not call for foreign aid to clear the field — she burns the weapons of her enemies for seven years. And the nations are made to understand whose people these are: they shall know that I am the LORD.

Israel's survival was never indexed to American approval. She needs no memorandum, no signature at a French palace, no fourteen points authored by men who will be out of office before the ink fades. Your pressure is a footnote in a chapter finished before any of us were born.

Genesis 12:3 has not been repealed: I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. It is not a slogan. It is the operating principle of history — and the evidence is every empire I just named. President Trump built a historic friendship on that truth, and the blessing followed the friendship. It does not follow the pressure. America's standing before God is not secured by lecturing the Jewish state into weakness; it is secured by standing with her when it is hard.

So before this country lectures Israel again, remember the pattern, because it is unbroken: every generation produces men — powerful, clever, sure of their own good intentions — convinced they know what is best for the Jews. And every generation has been corrected, not by the Jews, but by history, and by the God who keeps His covenant.

Politicians come and go. Administrations rise and fall. Memorandums are signed and quietly broken.

The Jewish people endure.
Small in size.
Ancient in history.
Unbreakable in spirit.
She does not seek your permission to survive. She will defend herself because she must — and because the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fights for her, as He always has.
עם ישראל חי — the people of Israel live.

10:36 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  30.7K Views

https://x.com/afshineemrani/status/2067995033069048304

That is a very good retort to Vance's idiotic comment about not "killing their way" out of it!

[Cyber Liberty]

Even after one side surrenders?  Cash is now flowing in to the IRGC as Iran sends their oil out onto the open seas at full market price.  They couldn't do this before the war started.  But now they can.

It's also foolish to declare a loser as well.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Afshine Emrani MD FACC
@afshineemrani

An Open Letter to @VP President J.D. Vance

This week you stood at the @WhiteHouse podium and told the world that @POTUS Trump is the only head of state left who is sympathetic to Israel — and that Israel cannot "kill its way out" of the dangers around her. You offered it as a rebuke. Receive it as one returned.

Be precise about the paper you were defending.

It reopens the Strait of Hormuz to the regime that closed it. It lifts the blockade on Iran's ports. It cracks the door to sanctions relief and billions in frozen assets flowing back to Tehran. It silences the guns on every front, including Lebanon, while leaving Iran's missiles intact and her proxies in place. It was signed over dinner at Versailles. And tonight it is celebrated in Tehran as a victory over Israel and America both.

Then you turned to the one nation that has actually bled to stop a nuclear Iran — and lectured her about restraint.

You call this sympathy. We have a longer memory than that.

Israel has never survived on the sympathy of the powerful, and she has buried every man certain he knew what was best for the Jews. Pharaoh was certain. Haman — in this very Persia whose regime you now court — held the king's signet ring and a date on the calendar, and ended on the gallows he built. Babylon was certain. Rome carved its certainty into a triumphal arch that still stands in a city of ruins, while the people it mocked rebuilt their own. Every empire was sure of its leverage. Every one is now a chapter in someone else's book — and the someone is us.

You speak of isolation as though it were a verdict. We have heard that verdict in a dozen languages across thirty centuries. We mourned. We endured. We outlived the men who pronounced it.

Now hear what is written, because you have entered a story older than this administration.

The prophet Ezekiel foresaw a latter day when a vast coalition — Gog of Magog, with Persia at its side — would mass against a restored Israel like a cloud covering the land. And in the hour she appears to stand utterly alone, deliverance comes not from the armies of men. The earth convulses. Confusion falls until every invader's sword turns on his brother. Fire and hailstones rain from heaven. When it ends, Israel does not call for foreign aid to clear the field — she burns the weapons of her enemies for seven years. And the nations are made to understand whose people these are: they shall know that I am the LORD.

Israel's survival was never indexed to American approval. She needs no memorandum, no signature at a French palace, no fourteen points authored by men who will be out of office before the ink fades. Your pressure is a footnote in a chapter finished before any of us were born.

Genesis 12:3 has not been repealed: I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. It is not a slogan. It is the operating principle of history — and the evidence is every empire I just named. President Trump built a historic friendship on that truth, and the blessing followed the friendship. It does not follow the pressure. America's standing before God is not secured by lecturing the Jewish state into weakness; it is secured by standing with her when it is hard.

So before this country lectures Israel again, remember the pattern, because it is unbroken: every generation produces men — powerful, clever, sure of their own good intentions — convinced they know what is best for the Jews. And every generation has been corrected, not by the Jews, but by history, and by the God who keeps His covenant.

Politicians come and go. Administrations rise and fall. Memorandums are signed and quietly broken.

The Jewish people endure.
Small in size.
Ancient in history.
Unbreakable in spirit.
She does not seek your permission to survive. She will defend herself because she must — and because the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fights for her, as He always has.
עם ישראל חי — the people of Israel live.

10:36 AM  ·  Jun 19, 2026  ·  30.7K Views

https://x.com/afshineemrani/status/2067995033069048304

This letter is eloquent, but it relies on a leap that deserves scrutiny.

It begins with a policy disagreement about Iran and quickly transforms it into a cosmic struggle between those who stand with Israel and those who stand against God. That's a powerful rhetorical move, but it doesn't necessarily make for sound analysis.

The letter treats Pharaoh, Haman, Babylon, Rome, modern Iran, and current American policymakers as though they are all participants in the same historical drama. As theology, some may find that compelling. As history, it is a much harder case to make.

Support for Israel is not the same thing as supporting every Israeli policy. Likewise, advocating diplomacy is not the same thing as abandoning Israel. Those distinctions matter.

The survival of the Jewish people through centuries of persecution is one of history's most remarkable stories. But it does not automatically follow that every critic of an Israeli government is cursed, nor that every supporter is blessed. History is far more complex than that.

The strongest criticism of the agreement would be to explain why it leaves Iran stronger, why it may fail to prevent future conflict, or why sanctions relief could be dangerous. Those are serious policy arguments.

Instead, the letter largely bypasses that debate and appeals to prophecy as proof that one side is right and the other is wrong.

That may persuade those who already share the author's interpretation of scripture. It is less persuasive to those looking for evidence, strategy, and a realistic assessment of the agreement itself.

[Bigun]

Fact:

Over the last 1400+ years Muslims have murdered at least 250,000,000 of their fellow human beings and they are not going to stop until WE stop them!

[Right_in_Virginia]

I don't have to.  The burden of proof is on you.  You were the one who made the claim.  Remember?  Clearly, you can't back it up.  Again.  But that is what happens when you post the first lie that pops in your head without thinking.  But even worse, you continue to stand by the lie even when everyone else here recognizes it as a lie.  It's how you roll.  No different than any other Democrat.

I again refer you to the Israeli and international presses ---- they track these reports with much more energy than does the American press.  A snippet from Israel is below.

Now, go bother someone else. @Hoodat     Your ignorance is no longer entertaining.

I declare b.s.  Waiting for your examples ... 

Your declarations mean nothing ..... @libertybele

Jun 17, 2026

Netanyahu's Mouthpieces Turn on Trump, Revealing a Deeper Israeli Ingratitude

After Netanyahu's most vocal cheerleader called him a 'scumbag' over the Iran deal, JD Vance correctly observed that Israel's right wing would 'want this to go on until every Iranian is dead.' It's time for the U.S. to reckon with Israel's recklessness.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2026-06-17/ty-article/.highlight/netanyahus-mouthpieces-turn-on-trump-revealing-a-deeper-israeli-ingratitude/0000019e-d583-d6a3-a5be-f5f3bde60000#google_vignette

[Luis Gonzalez]

What you say here is an indisputable fact...we don't know what discussions are taking place.  It seems likely that the Memorandum of Understanding is out the window, and I'm fine with that because I hated it!  I don't think even Donald Trump can polish this turd.   

The MoU is simply something to show the press, telling them that both parties agree to do X for X number of days while they work out the details of X at infinitum.

The idea behind the whole thing is simple.

They do shit they're not supposed to do. we will bomb them.

It seems that "we" is the US and Israel. Hezbollah hit Israel before the ink dried on the MoU expected) and Israel hit back viciously, generating a "stop that, Bibi!" from Trump.

I expect Iran to be relatively quiet for the rest of the Trump admin.

Trump has never shown anything but support for Israel... but America still goes first.

[libertybele]

Fact:

Over the last 1400+ years Muslims have murdered at least 250,000,000 of their fellow human beings and they are not going to stop until WE stop them!

That's horrific!!!

[Luis Gonzalez]

Fact:

Over the last 1400+ years Muslims have murdered at least 250,000,000 of their fellow human beings and they are not going to stop until WE stop them!

Lay out that solution.

[240B]

Trump is, at Heart, a Jimmy Carter style passivist.
He wants his 'deal' more than anything
because he believes his stupid 'deal' will solve everything on Earth.

No more cancer. Everyone will be well fed and happy. Flowers and Unicorns will be everywhere.

[Bigun]

Lay out that solution.

Have you ever read the story behind "The Shores of Tripoli"? That settled them down for a couple of hundred years!

[Luis Gonzalez]

Trump is, at Heart, a Jimmy Carter style passivist.
He wants his 'deal' more than anything
because he believes his stupid 'deal' will solve everything on Earth.

No more cancer. Everyone will be well fed and happy. Flowers and Unicorns will be everywhere.

There is absolutely no reason for me not to believe the reports about the advance stages of the nuclear program in Iran. No question in my mind that they would use an atomic bomb as soon as they had one.

I am fairly certain that they no longer have an active nuclear program, and that what program they had, has been set back quite a ways.

I am certain that they are certain that Trump will bomb the shit out of them if he sees a need to, or if he just wants to because h had a bad day.

I am looking forward to a couple of years without Iran acting up. If they do, someone will bomb Them back into silence.

I pray that the next POTUS will take the exact same stance on the subject.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Have you ever read the story behind "The Shores of Tripoli"? That settled them down for a couple of hundred years!

Lay out the solution.

[Bigun]

Lay out the solution.

Do what should have been done when Trump had his foot on their necks! Behead them!

[Luis Gonzalez]

Have you ever read the story behind "The Shores of Tripoli"? That settled them down for a couple of hundred years!

They settled down for 200 out of 1400 years, and here we are again, so that shit wasn’t a solution.

That was a band aid.

If that was a solution for you, then let’s wait to see how long this band aid holds.

It’s a religion. I want your final solution on how to eradicate a 1400 year-old religion?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Do what should have been done when Trump had his foot on their necks! Behead them!

I want yo to tell me exactly who “them”are?

[Bigun]

They settled down for 200 out of 1400 years, and here we are again, so that shit wasn’t a solution.

That was a band aid.

If that was a solution for you, then let’s wait to see how long this band aid holds.

It’s a religion. I want your final solution on how to eradicate a 1400 year-old religion?

NO! It is NOT a religion! It is a 1400+ year political movement cloaked as religion. And that 1400+ year history tells you what must be done.

[Right_in_Virginia]

There is absolutely no reason for me not to believe the reports about the advance stages of the nuclear program in Iran. No question in my mind that they would use an atomic bomb as soon as they had one.

I am fairly certain that they no longer have an active nuclear program, and that what program they had, has been set back quite a ways.

I am certain that they are certain that Trump will bomb the shit out of them if he sees a need to, or if he just wants to because h had a bad day.

I am looking forward to a couple of years without Iran acting up. If they do, someone will bomb Them back into silence.

I pray that the next POTUS will take the exact same stance on the subject.

 

[Bigun]

I want yo to tell me exactly who “them”are?

The Shiite Arab Mullahs that Jimmuh! CAAATA unleashed on the word 47 years ago! Is that specific enough?

[Luis Gonzalez]

NO! It is NOT a religion! It is a 1400+ year political movement cloaked as religion. And that 1400+ year worth of history tells you what must be done.

So then, quit talking shit and tell me how you would get rid of something no one else has been able to rid the world of from nearly 1500 years?

Quit talking crap and get specific.

Nuclear? Chemical?

How do you kill a religion.

P.S. they don’t give any more of a rat’s ass that you don’t think that they are a religion, than what you think about their feeling on Christianity.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The Shiite Arab Mullahs that Jimmuh! CAAATA unleashed on the word 47 years ago! Is that specific enough?

They did! And they killed their supporters and those who took their place. Yet here we are.

How many Priests do you think Muslims would have to kill before they rid the ME of Catholics?

They’ve been doing that for millennia, and they still have Christians living among them.

Come on dude. Stop with beating around the bush.

What is the actual Final Solution?

[Bigun]

So then, quit talking shit and tell me how you would get rid of something no one else has been able to rid the world of from nearly 1500 years?

Quit talking crap and get specific.

Nuclear? Chemical?

How do you kill a religion.

P.S. they don’t give any more of a rat’s ass that you don’t think that they are a religion, than what you think about their feeling on Christianity.

This is EXACTLY why it was so important that the Mullahs in Iran be taken out completely, but that window of opportunity is gone now and our children and grandchildren will pay the price! They only understand one thing! Strength!

[Right_in_Virginia]

This letter is eloquent, but it relies on a leap that deserves scrutiny.

It begins with a policy disagreement about Iran and quickly transforms it into a cosmic struggle between those who stand with Israel and those who stand against God. That's a powerful rhetorical move, but it doesn't necessarily make for sound analysis.

The letter treats Pharaoh, Haman, Babylon, Rome, modern Iran, and current American policymakers as though they are all participants in the same historical drama. As theology, some may find that compelling. As history, it is a much harder case to make.

Support for Israel is not the same thing as supporting every Israeli policy. Likewise, advocating diplomacy is not the same thing as abandoning Israel. Those distinctions matter.

The survival of the Jewish people through centuries of persecution is one of history's most remarkable stories. But it does not automatically follow that every critic of an Israeli government is cursed, nor that every supporter is blessed. History is far more complex than that.

The strongest criticism of the agreement would be to explain why it leaves Iran stronger, why it may fail to prevent future conflict, or why sanctions relief could be dangerous. Those are serious policy arguments.

Instead, the letter largely bypasses that debate and appeals to prophecy as proof that one side is right and the other is wrong.

That may persuade those who already share the author's interpretation of scripture. It is less persuasive to those looking for evidence, strategy, and a realistic assessment of the agreement itself.

Outstanding.

[Bigun]

They did! And they killed their supporters and those who took their place. Yet here we are.

They did no such thing! The Mullahs are still running things in Iran!

How many Priests do you think Muslims would have to kill before they rid the ME of Catholics?

Don't know exactly but it was a hell of a lot before the Crusaders put a stop to it for a few hundred years.

They’ve been doing that for millennia, and they still have Christians living among them.

Not if they find out about it!

Come on dude. Stop with beating around the bush.

What is the actual Final Solution?

Not beating around anything! I've said it as plainly as I know how. There are only two possible outcomes. We win or they win! That's it.

[Hoodat]

I again refer you to the Israeli and international presses ---- they track these reports with much more energy than does the American press.  A snippet from Israel is below.

Now, go bother someone else. @Hoodat     Your ignorance is no longer entertaining.

Ok, let's try again.  Here again is the exchange:

As I stated, Israel has not belittled us.

Yes, they have and the world knows it.

After several attempts of calling you out, you respond with this:

Jun 17, 2026

Netanyahu's Mouthpieces Turn on Trump, Revealing a Deeper Israeli Ingratitude

After Netanyahu's most vocal cheerleader called him a 'scumbag' over the Iran deal, JD Vance correctly observed that Israel's right wing would 'want this to go on until every Iranian is dead.' It's time for the U.S. to reckon with Israel's recklessness.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2026-06-17/ty-article/.highlight/netanyahus-mouthpieces-turn-on-trump-revealing-a-deeper-israeli-ingratitude/0000019e-d583-d6a3-a5be-f5f3bde60000#google_vignette

The obvious problem here is that nowhere in your left-wing Haarets piece does Israel belittle the US.  Of course you would have known that if you had actually read the article before posting it.  But you didn't.  Instead, you backed your first lie with another lie.  It's what liars do.

The 'most vocal cheerleader' referenced in your quote is actually a news reporter, not a government representative as you would have us believe.  In fact, the article you posted proves the opposite - that it is Trump and Vance belittling Israel, not the other way around.

Of course you could simply come clean and admit that you made it all up with zero basis in fact.  But you won't.  You'll stand by the lie until your body assumes room temperature.  It's what liars do.