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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #750 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:18 pm »
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This sickens me ... I hope that this is NOT the final deal...at any rate, Iran can't be trusted.  How does President Trump NOT know this???

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #751 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:25 pm »
Remember this is Iran saying this..


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🇺🇸🇮🇷 Iranian media is now laying out the 14 clauses of the draft deal between Iran and the U.S.

Here are all of them one by one:

* Sanctions on Iranian oil, petrochemicals, and related exports would be suspended.

* Iran would regain full access to its financial resources.

* $24 billion in frozen Iranian funds would be released during the 60-day negotiation window.

* $12 billion of that would be released before talks even begin.

* The U.S. and its allies would have to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300 billion.

* The war would stop immediately and permanently on all fronts, including Lebanon.

* The U.S. would commit to non-interference in Iranian affairs and respect for Iranian sovereignty.

* The U.S. naval blockade would be fully lifted within 30 days.

* U.S. forces would withdraw from areas around Iran.

* The Strait of Hormuz would reopen within 30 days under Iranian arrangements.

* A 60-day negotiation window would begin to reach a final deal on nuclear issues and the full lifting of sanctions.

* Iran would reaffirm its NPT commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.

* The U.S. would agree not to add forces to the region or impose new sanctions during negotiations.

* A supervisory mechanism would monitor implementation, and any final deal would be approved by a UN Security Council resolution.

Iran’s missile program and support for resistance groups are completely off the table.

Final negotiations would reportedly not begin until the $12 billion is released, oil sanctions are suspended, and the blockade is lifted.

Source: Mehr News Agency / Writer: Sol, Oliver
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #752 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:34 pm »
Remember this is Iran saying this..


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🇺🇸🇮🇷 Iranian media is now laying out the 14 clauses of the draft deal between Iran and the U.S.

Here are all of them one by one:

* Sanctions on Iranian oil, petrochemicals, and related exports would be suspended.

* Iran would regain full access to its financial resources.

* $24 billion in frozen Iranian funds would be released during the 60-day negotiation window.

* $12 billion of that would be released before talks even begin.

* The U.S. and its allies would have to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300 billion.

* The war would stop immediately and permanently on all fronts, including Lebanon.

* The U.S. would commit to non-interference in Iranian affairs and respect for Iranian sovereignty.

* The U.S. naval blockade would be fully lifted within 30 days.

* U.S. forces would withdraw from areas around Iran.

* The Strait of Hormuz would reopen within 30 days under Iranian arrangements.

* A 60-day negotiation window would begin to reach a final deal on nuclear issues and the full lifting of sanctions.

* Iran would reaffirm its NPT commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.

* The U.S. would agree not to add forces to the region or impose new sanctions during negotiations.

* A supervisory mechanism would monitor implementation, and any final deal would be approved by a UN Security Council resolution.

Iran’s missile program and support for resistance groups are completely off the table.

Final negotiations would reportedly not begin until the $12 billion is released, oil sanctions are suspended, and the blockade is lifted.

Source: Mehr News Agency / Writer: Sol, Oliver

....hmm.... but gee ... Iran is committing to not producing nuclear weapons ....  *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #753 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:45 pm »
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« Reply #754 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:46 pm »
Because they (Israel) are also fighting against Iran  ....
 
The goal is to have the Gulf States strengthen the barrier around Iran.  Israel is not enough.

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.... they share intelligence with us and help us with military threats in the region --

Their intelligence is unreliable, requiring a new level of trust but verify.  Going back to Netanyahu's testimony that the Iraqi people would greet US soldiers in the streets of Baghdad cheering them as liberators to assuring this President --- to his face --- that Iran didn't have the ability to affect the Strait of Hormuz --- Israeli intelligence is often adjusted to pull the US directly or by proxy into a war Israel wants.

Israel should no longer be the prime resource for intelligence in the ME, and we are expanding our security resources as a result.

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In an area of terrorism we rely on them as stewards of peace towards the U.S.

This ⬆️ sounds exactly backwards.  Israel has always relied on the money, military resources, and global diplomatic power of the United States for their own peace and security. 

And, BTW,  Likud's Israel has not been a steward of peace --- for anyone.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #756 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:54 pm »


Trump made it all up out of his delusional brain.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #757 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:57 pm »
How does Trump assume he has the permission to negotiate for Israel about what Israel will or will not do?

Because Israel's one of two fighting wartime allies and one negotiation is an intrinsic part of the relationship?





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« Reply #758 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:58 pm »
Because every one, except Americans, know what the Mad Mullahs' goal is. And are not stupid.

Most Americans live in a sheltered bubble, safe from the harsh realities found in the rest of the world. It can't happen here, no way they would attack, sure that's what they say but we've got the biggest baddest military, there's no such things as aliens, flying saucers are a hoax, the list goes on and on to the point of being tiresome. Naming their state capital is difficult for some.

Contemplating a nuclear attack by an Iranian ICBM combines two impossibilities for most Americans.
That thought is in direct opposition to the comment I referred to.
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« Reply #759 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 05:59 pm »
Because Israel's one of two wartime allies and one negotiation is an intrinsic part of the relationship?

The same argument that Hitler made to Chamberlain.
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« Reply #760 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:01 pm »
Why would anyone believe this?

Better question, why isn't the White House denying it?
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« Reply #761 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:02 pm »
The same argument that Hitler made to Chamberlain.

Hitler and Chamberlain were fighting allies?  When was this??

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« Reply #762 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:07 pm »
Hitler and Chamberlain were fighting allies?  When was this??

Uh, no.  Not even close.  The Germans of the Sudetenland were the fighting allies with Germany.  They were the ones who were sold out by Chamberlain to Hitler.  Kind of like what Trump is doing with Israel - selling them out to the IRGC.

Just to let you know, you being intentionally obtuse doesn't work on me.
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« Reply #763 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:07 pm »
Better question, why isn't the White House denying it?

It's not a better question ---- it's a stupid question.

Why don't you calm down and wait for the White House communique and/or presentation on the MOU?  In the meantime, stop trying to set fire to shadows.

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« Reply #764 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:14 pm »
It's not a better question ---- it's a stupid question.

You mean 'inconvenient' question.


Why don't you calm down and wait for the White House communique and/or presentation on the MOU?  In the meantime, stop trying to set fire to shadows.

Um, were you aware that Trump has issued multiple statements across the globe saying that a deal has been reached.  If there's anyone on this planet that would want to clear the record here, it would be him.  But what do we get?  Silence.  Complete silence.  For the record, Trump is the one who put this on the front page.  So yes, it is a completely legitimate question to ask - inconvenient for you, but legitimate for the rest of us.
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« Reply #765 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:19 pm »
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Iran’s Supreme National Security Council announced in a statement that it had finalized the memorandum of understanding for a cease-fire deal with the United States under the guidance of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei. The statement said the agreement came after “months of long and difficult negotiations,” and thanked Pakistan and Qatar for mediating the negotiations.

The council said the agreement includes: an end to the conflict and military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon, effective immediately, and an immediate end to the U.S. naval blockade on Iran. The statement said a formal signing ceremony will take place on Friday and negotiations will begin for a broader peace agreement.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/14/world/iran-war-trump-us

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« Reply #766 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:21 pm »
lol, the NY Times again.
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« Reply #767 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:24 pm »
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Many ordinary Iranians welcomed the news of a cease-fire agreement between Tehran and Washington and pave the way to negotiate for a permanent peace deal. For months, Iranians have been living in an anxious state of limbo with no peace, no war, and struggling with an economy in a tailspin. Minutes after President Trump announced the agreement, they flooded messaging apps with mixed emotions. “Thank GOD!“ wrote one Iranian, while another expressed disbelief, asking “Is this REAL?” Some appeared simply downtrodden, with one writing, “What did this war achieve?”

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/14/world/iran-war-trump-us

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« Reply #768 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:26 pm »
lol, the NY Times again.
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« Reply #769 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:31 pm »
I love the Pax Romana comment from the Emperor about the 20% tax.  Not sure how he can collect when he can't get the Strait fully open now.

According to the NY Times:

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« Reply #770 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:40 pm »
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Trump tells the Times in an interview that the agreement he reached with Iran would ultimately assure that the Strait of Hormuz is “permanently toll free.”

He also calls Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a “very difficult guy” and claims the premier should be grateful. Israel was not involved in the negotiations over the just-announced US-Iran deal, and its terms have sparked profound concern among Israeli officials.

“He’s a very difficult guy,” Trump told the Times regarding Netanyahu, “and to be honest with you, he should be very thankful to us for doing this. Because if Iran had a nuclear weapon, Israel wouldn’t be around for two hours.


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« Reply #772 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 06:51 pm »

Overview of Trump's "Bridge and Power Day"
Trump's "Bridge and Power Day" refers to a controversial announcement made by the former President on April 5, 2026. He threatened to destroy Iranian power plants and bridges unless Iran reopened the Strait of Hormuz. This declaration has sparked significant debate regarding its legality and ethical implications.

Key Details
Threats Made
Date of Announcement: April 5, 2026
Specific Targets: Iranian power plants and bridges
Conditions: Iran must reopen the Strait of Hormuz
Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy, is also my enemy.
Islam sanitizes oppression. Islam rebrands cruelty as culture, and expects applause from Liberal fools for their Islamic progressivism.
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« Reply #773 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 07:11 pm »
 :2popcorn: Man the Trump show is running short on ideas.  I still can’t believe he refused to give Iran their own money in exchange for inspections.  All of this death, chaos, and destruction for what?  He completely wrecked the conservative movement and we are humiliated on the world stage.  Maybe he didn’t have a stroke.  Trump is just a STUPID old man who was bamboozled by neoconservatives and their psychotic, corrupt and philandering oracle Nut&Yahoo.  Well the Israelis are about to toss that fool overboard, and I can hardly wait for the tsunami of retardation the democrats will blast us with for the next ten years. 

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« Reply #774 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 07:24 pm »
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« Reply #775 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 07:26 pm »
:2popcorn: Man the Trump show is running short on ideas.  I still can’t believe he refused to give Iran their own money in exchange for inspections.  All of this death, chaos, and destruction for what?  He completely wrecked the conservative movement and we are humiliated on the world stage.  Maybe he didn’t have a stroke.  Trump is just a STUPID old man who was bamboozled by neoconservatives and their psychotic, corrupt and philandering oracle Nut&Yahoo.  Well the Israelis are about to toss that fool overboard, and I can hardly wait for the tsunami of retardation the democrats will blast us with for the next ten years.
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« Reply #776 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 09:09 pm »
It's not a better question ---- it's a stupid question.

Why don't you calm down and wait for the White House communique and/or presentation on the MOU?  In the meantime, stop trying to set fire to shadows.

The gnashing of teeth around here...you'd think we're in the Democrat Underground.  /s
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« Reply #777 on: Sunday, Jun 14, 2026 11:40 pm »
The strait was toll free forever until this conflict. To suggest that it’s a win is a disgrace.

What has the USA actually gained? Nothin.

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Why don't you wait until it all plays out before you make a fool of yourself.  *****rollingeyes*****

In a few months, it’s not going to  even matter

The Democrats are going to  sweep the House and now a good possibly the Senate also  which will give them momentum going into 2028

That’s how it’s going to  play out

Democrats were winning elections and the American people were upset  about the cost of living before the war. Now it’s only going to get  worse.

And the delicious part of all of this is MAGA did this to themselves. Not the media. Not the Democrats. Not the establishment Republicans. There’s nobody to blame for this, but Donald J Trump.


People need to prepare and plan accordingly for the incoming left-leaning government

Biden was unfit, but at least we didn’t have a brand new Middle Eastern war nor did he ever say he loved inflation

This has been a disaster of epic proportions. There is no “Art of the Deal” or   “Art of the Ta’arof” or any such other nonsense people want convince themselves of in this mess
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That was brutal.

Brutal, yes

But true

Now the Democrats have another issue to hit Donald Trump over the head with going into the midterms

I told friends and colleagues  back in April that this president will sign anything eventually to get out of his mess.

More inflation, a weak economy, more debt and deficits, a disastrous war… Gee, I can’t understand why voters  wouldn’t be lining up at the polls to vote for more of this this fall

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He completely wrecked the conservative movement

Yup

So what’s the plan for the conservative movement post Donald Trump? Hope that the Democrats, when they take power, screw up so bad that voters  will have no choice?
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Meanwhile, Russia has attacked the Pechersk Lavra in Kyiv, hoping to get a deal as sweet as the one the IRGC just got.



Not to worry, 47 will meet with Zelenski at the G8 summit and negotiate Ukraine's surrender.
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Not to worry, 47 will meet with Zelenski at the G8 summit and negotiate Ukraine's surrender.

Q: What's better than waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in out time?

A. Two pieces of paper!

These actions by the Trader in Chief put the US squarely aligned with the former axis of evil, Russia and Iran.

While 47 is at it, he should ask his prominent and good friend, Mandani [ a Shia 12er ], if he'd like some help policing NYC from the IRGC/Qods troops.
 
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Iran Security Council confirms US-Iran MOU finalized, immediate end to war in effect

Iran's Supreme National Security Council confirmed Sunday that Tehran and Washington had finalized a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to end the war after months of negotiations, according to reports.

In a statement, the council said all military operations across multiple fronts, including those in Lebanon, will cease "immediately and permanently" starting Sunday night.

It also said the U.S. naval blockade on Iran will be lifted in full with immediate effect, according to Iran International.

Talks on a comprehensive final agreement will begin only after the other side has implemented its obligations under the framework agreement, the outlet said.

The statement also expressed thanks to Pakistan and Qatar for their mediation efforts.

The deal which is to be signed June 19 will reportedly start 60 days of discussions over Tehran's nuclear program and broader agreement.

Fox News' Emma Bussey contributed to this report.
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US, Iran to hold signing ceremony in Geneva on Friday

The U.S. and Iran will sign a formal peace agreement during a ceremony in Switzerland on Friday, Pakistani officials say.

President Donald Trump will be in Europe already for the G7 Summit that is set to begin Monday. He departed for France from the U.S. on Sunday night after hosting the UFC event at the White House.

European leaders are already voicing support for the peace agreement, with U.K. Prime Minister Kier Starmer calling for full freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

“We will now work closely with our partners to support this agreement and to ensure that it turns into a durable, lasting peace,’’ Starmer said in a statement.
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Iran’s regime spins nuclear and Strait of Hormuz deal with Trump as its victory over US, Israel

The Islamic Republic of Iran’s state-controlled media is promoting the memorandum of understanding with the U.S. to re-open the Strait of Hormuz and address Tehran’s illicit nuclear weapons program as its triumph over the U.S. and Israel.

The major diplomatic breakthrough, known as by its initials MOU, is slated to be sealed at a signing ceremony on June 19 in Switzerland. Iranian state-controlled TV boasted that the "U.S. is forced to sign agreement to end the war."

The State Department has classified Iran as the world’s worst state-sponsor of terrorism and its state-controlled media apparatus is notorious, according to Iran experts, for spreading anti-U.S. propoganda.

Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said, according to the country's Tasnim News Agency, "This memorandum does not mean trusting the enemy; it has been written with active distrust. We will monitor the implementation of U.S. commitments."

Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) reported that the nation’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Araghchi, "emphasized that national cohesion and the active presence of the people serve as important capital and a primary pillar of Iran’s diplomatic authority."

Araghchi said, according to IRNA," that the true image of Iran’s power on the global stage stems not only from its military capabilities but also from national cohesion, resilience, and the active involvement of its people."

Tehran's top diplomat stated that the,"Iranian nation achieved not only tactical victories during the 12-day imposed war in June last year and the recent war, but also important strategic accomplishments whose impact can be observed in both regional and global equations."

This is an excerpt from an article by Fox News' Benjamin Weinthal.
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The gnashing of teeth around here...you'd think we're in the Democrat Underground.  /s

No...worse..   Lincoln Project.
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Why don't you wait until it all plays out before you make a fool of yourself.  *****rollingeyes*****

What made you think it would play out any differently than it has?  Iranians were never going to accede to Israeli domination.  Trump lacked support for air strikes, let alone the type of commitment needed to overthrow a large country.  But he did it anyway.

So the voters are reminded of how the GOP is controlled by moneyed interests, and a spotlight is shone on the eschatological fixation of their religious wing.  Can they be trusted to deal with the Middle East?  Probably not until a generation has passed on.
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Here's a different perspective.  The argument here is that Trump's negotiating tactic is to always demand the moon, then settles for less.



HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MR. PRESIDENT ☙ Monday, June 15, 2026 ☙ C&C NEWS

Trump's 80th stacked seven once-in-a-lifetime wins — a weather miracle, three sporting upsets, an Iran deal, record markets — weeks before America's 250th. Let's run the dot-connection lab.

Jeff Childers  |  Jun 15, 2026


Regular readers know that I have something of a dot-connection impulse, or possibly an obsession. (We don’t know yet.) This one I can’t prove. I mean that proving it is impossible. Proving the existence of a lucky president falls into the hazy Twilight Zone beyond the boundaries of conventional science. But the dots are right there.  .  .  .

.  .  .  Apart from President Trump’s vague description, we don’t yet know any specific terms of “the Deal.” Democrats and the media, which so far have tried to characterize one of the shortest wars in human history as a “forever war,” are preparing to pivot to complaining that “Trump’s peace deal isn’t good enough.”

🔥 You could make a very strong argument that the deal’s terms are irrelevant. They are just the candles on America’s birthday cake. After only two months of fighting from the air, and with fewer casualties than Joe Biden racked up just in his catastrophic scramble to flee Afghanistan or in one drone assault against a Syrian base, Iran has been disciplined, its neighbors stand with America against it, and both its economy and its war aims have been set back 20 years, at least.

Meanwhile, the world’s global energy flows have been permanently restructured in America’s favor. OPEC’s monopoly —a thorn in our collective sides for our entire lives— has been broken and become a spent force. And now, this. Headline from Seeking Alpha, four days ago:



In other words, the world’s former embargo victim is now the swing export superpower— a structural reversal relative to the entire post-1973 energy system, and since long before the Iranian revolution in 1979.

In fact, even before 1973, the U.S. had never held the title of largest exporter. Ever.

One average index fund of U.S.-based global oil companies is up +67% in the last 12 months— with almost the entire increase accruing after the Iran “war” began:



No previous Middle Eastern war shock has ever directly catapulted U.S. producers into the position of top global exporter and sustained profit center. Not the eight-year Iraq war. Not the 20-year war in Afghanistan (the longest war in U.S. history). None produced sustained benefits for America.

And the Iranian conflict was the shortest major action of them all.

No matter how good (or bad) the peace deal’s terms are, the president’s critics will find a way to hate the result. But, and much more significantly, even without knowing a single agreed point, the markets are loving it— and they are the ones that matter, more than the talking-head experts and critics, for sure.



.  .  .

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Look it up. How do you suppose people drill car tunnels, mining tunnels? Nothing to do with Uranium centrifuges. Period.

You start a tunnel from someplace that can give you access to the buried site and tunnel until you get there. There you go, look it up.
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I don't agree with that assessment.  But it dies help explain the actions.  Personally,  I think overthrowing the IRGC should have been the end goal.  Do that, and you get everything else.
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I don't agree with that assessment.  But it dies help explain the actions.  Personally,  I think overthrowing the IRGC should have been the end goal.  Do that, and you get everything else.

Eliminating the IRGC will be Bibi’s job post “agreement”.
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Iran Takes Victory Lap, Refers to U.S. Peace Deal as ‘Surrender’

Iranian military leaders celebrated the news on Monday that the country had agreed to the terms of a memorandum of understanding with the United States to end the current conflict, suggesting that the agreement represented “defeat and surrender” for America.

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Eliminating the IRGC will be Bibi’s job post “agreement”.

Very likely. :yowsa:
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I don't agree with that assessment.  But it dies help explain the actions.  Personally,  I think overthrowing the IRGC should have been the end goal.  Do that, and you get everything else.

Exactly...but you have to herd them into "Revolutionary" status.

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Iranian Media Claims Tehran Can Impose Fees on Strait of Hormuz Under U.S. Deal

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ran’s state-run Fars News Agency on Monday cited a “knowledgeable source” who said the U.S.-Iran peace deal “includes U.S. acceptance, for the first time, of Iran’s right to collect fees for maritime services” in the Strait of Hormuz.

According to the source, “explicit emphasis on Iranian-Omani sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz” was added to the deal during “the final moments of the negotiations.”

These final revisions to the deal supposedly stated that “future administration of maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz” will be “determined” by Iran and Oman, which lies on the opposite side of the strait.

The source told Fars that these revisions to the deal mean “the United States has effective accepted Iran’s right to collect related service fees,” after a 60-period of toll-free travel through the strait has elapsed.

“This principle is repeated elsewhere in the text. Iran will accept the passage of ships without charge only for 60 days. This means the United States has accepted the principle of collecting fees, while securing only a 60-day exemption from Iran,” the source said.

The Fars report said that Iran was concocting some mixture of “safety, navigation, environmental, and insurance services” as a pretext for extorting tolls from the huge volume of shipping that normally passes through the Strait of Hormuz, and has already secured support from Oman’s government for its scheme.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei also said on Monday that Iran will begin charging a “maritime service fee” from ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2026/06/15/iranian-media-claims-tehran-can-impose-fees-on-strait-of-hormuz-under-u-s-deal/
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Trump says they aren't releasing the specifics about the deal until Friday.  So everyone here hyperventilating, you are wasting your energy.