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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #550 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 12:50 pm »
I recall in the movie "Sum of All Fears" (2002) they traced the uranium back to an Israeli fighter jet buried in the desert since the 1973 War.

They traced it to Savannah River Nuclear Site


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #551 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 12:50 pm »
Well, the Mad Mullahs and the IRGC were in charge before the war, and as far as anyone can tell they have both survived.

To believe that they surrendered their power to politicians with whom 47 is apparently "negotiating," is like a grown adult asking his kindergarten aged children to bring in the money and run the household.

The enormous effort of suspending belief is more than I can make. I'm sure there are others here that will have no problem with that.

I'm with you on that...I'm having the same problem with all of this!  The unbelievable things keep stacking up.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #552 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:02 pm »
They traced it to Savannah River Nuclear Site

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFhBNGhpq1U

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That particular uranium ended up in Israel.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #554 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:16 pm »
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☢️ IRAN COLLAPSES TUNNELS, MINES NUCLEAR FACILITY HOLDING WEAPONS-GRADE URANIUM

🧵 Let’s break it down:

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Reports indicate Iran has deliberately collapsed tunnels and mined entrances at the Isfahan nuclear facility, where its stockpile of highly enriched uranium is believed to be buried.

The move is reportedly intended to deter any U.S. operation aimed at seizing the material.

2/4

Former U.S. nuclear officials warn the damaged and mined tunnel complex could allow Iran to later claim that portions of its highly enriched uranium stockpile are “irretrievable,” complicating future verification efforts.

The fate of the uranium remains a key issue in ongoing negotiations.

3/4

A U.S. official says the emerging agreement with Iran would require the highly enriched uranium to be destroyed on-site and removed from the country.

Israel has previously warned that leaving the uranium stockpile intact would make the campaign against Iran’s nuclear program a major failure.

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The only way to ensure Iran never becomes a nuclear threat is the complete and total removal or verified destruction of its highly enriched uranium stockpile, dismantlement of enrichment capabilities beyond civilian levels, unrestricted international inspections of all nuclear sites, and a permanent mechanism to detect and prevent any future weapons program.

Without full transparency, verification, and enforcement, the threat can only be delayed—not eliminated.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #555 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:17 pm »
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Five U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN that Iran has begun collapsing tunnels and rigging entrances with explosive mines to secure its near weapons-grade uranium stockpile. The roughly half-ton cache of highly enriched material is now far more difficult and dangerous to access.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #556 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:26 pm »
Well, the Mad Mullahs and the IRGC were in charge before the war, and as far as anyone can tell they have both survived.

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Well the Mad Mullahs and the IRGC were in charge before the war,
That’s what the analysts keep circling for
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #557 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:28 pm »
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Five U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN that Iran has begun collapsing tunnels and rigging entrances with explosive mines to secure its near weapons-grade uranium stockpile. The roughly half-ton cache of highly enriched material is now far more difficult and dangerous to access.
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Isn't that sealing it off from themselves, too?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #559 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:44 pm »
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Five U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN that Iran has begun collapsing tunnels and rigging entrances with explosive mines to secure its near weapons-grade uranium stockpile. The roughly half-ton cache of highly enriched material is now far more difficult and dangerous to access.
2:24 PM · Jun 13, 2026
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In other words, no deal can ever be reached that includes removing nuclear materials from Iran.  So stop with all the 'Lets-Make-A-Deal' crap.  It's over.  Done.  Finished.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #560 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 01:51 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #561 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 02:34 pm »

https://twitter.com/isaacrrr7/status/2065858419165163761

Translation:
🚨🚨 BREAKING NEWS: Senior Israeli officials warn in very strong terms that the deal being negotiated puts Israel's deepest security interests at risk.

“The Iranians do not accept this framework agreement without reason. The US side has accepted their demands. Here is something that will happen immediately: the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, the revitalization of the regime, and a slap in the face to Iranian public opinion. What happens afterward, perhaps within a policy of 'paying on credit,' would be the handling of Iran's nuclear capabilities.”

“It’s the same framework as the agreement to end the war in Gaza. Ask yourselves what has happened since then to the commitment to disarm Hamas. What will be the real leverage for the Americans if, after 60 days of ceasefire, the Iranians don’t begin to take the required steps? The credible military threat has been eroded to the point of being virtually nonexistent.”

Those same officials continue to warn:

“The withdrawal of enriched uranium has become uranium dilution, and the missile program isn’t even part of the agreement. All the objectives Israel raised are not addressed immediately in the agreement. Not only is Iran not obligated to stop supporting its proxies, but the agreement even links it back to Hezbollah.”

Source: Yaron Abraham, Channel 12.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #562 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 02:40 pm »
We need to pay attention to our Allies in the region. Israel is the only Democratic Republic in the MidEast. 
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #563 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 03:17 pm »

In other words, no deal can ever be reached that includes removing nuclear materials from Iran.  So stop with all the 'Lets-Make-A-Deal' crap.  It's over.  Done.  Finished.
Trump is a bi-polar idiot. He swings effortlessly from "Unconditional Surrender!!" to, here sign my paper and I will go away.
Trump thinks everybody thinks like him. He does not understand fanaticism. Everything is just a bad deal or a misunderstanding.
Trump thought he could bluff and intimidate the Iranians to do what he wants. NO. Trump was called by Iran and now he wants to fold and leave the game.

In true, literal, absolute real Neville Chamberlain footsteps, Trump wants to wave his deal around and claim "victory" without having to do what victory would entail.
Trump does not have the guts to do what it would take to actually defeat Iran for real. So he is looking for a back door out. He thinks his 'deal' will give him a way out.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #564 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 03:46 pm »
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Barack Hussein Obama’s Deal with Iran, the JCPOA, was an easy, beautiful, smooth road to a Nuclear Weapon, which Iran would have had six years ago, and would have used long before now. My Agreement with Iran is the exact opposite, A WALL TO NO NUCLEAR WEAPON! In fact, they no longer want a Nuclear Weapon, nor will they have one, either through purchase, development, or any other form of procurement. The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL. Our relationship with Iran is a much different and better one than previous Administrations have had. Unlike Obama’s Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in payments to them, including 1.7 Billion Dollars in green, cold cash, no money will exchange hands. At the appropriate time, when all is calm, we will go in and get the Nuclear Dust, buried deep under the powerful sunken granite mountains, thanks to our beautiful B-2 Bombers and their brilliant pilots, and downblend and destroy it, whether in Iran, or the United States. We look forward to working with Iran, and the entire Middle East, long into the future. Hopefully, this process will all work out quickly, easily, and smoothly. If it doesn’t, we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again! Thank you for your attention to this matter!!! President DONALD J. TRUMP
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #565 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:07 pm »
Trump is a bi-polar idiot. He swings effortlessly from "Unconditional Surrender!!" to, here sign my paper and I will go away.
Trump thinks everybody thinks like him. He does not understand fanaticism. Everything is just a bad deal or a misunderstanding.
Trump thought he could bluff and intimidate the Iranians to do what he wants. NO. Trump was called by Iran and now he wants to fold and leave the game.

In true, literal, absolute real Neville Chamberlain footsteps, Trump wants to wave his deal around and claim "victory" without having to do what victory would entail.
Trump does not have the guts to do what it would take to actually defeat Iran for real. So he is looking for a back door out. He thinks his 'deal' will give him a way out.
Noone even knows for sure what's in the deal and here you are going off AGAIN.  Sheeeeeeeeesh......and you call Trump bipolar.... :shrug:

When I see Trump's advisors falling away, then I'll be concerned.  We have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #566 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:10 pm »
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Five U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN that Iran has begun collapsing tunnels and rigging entrances with explosive mines to secure its near weapons-grade uranium stockpile. The roughly half-ton cache of highly enriched material is now far more difficult and dangerous to access.

2:24 PM · Jun 13, 2026

Wouldn't :amen:m the uranium be more difficult for Iran to access, too?    Are we sure these reports are accurate?




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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #567 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:11 pm »
Noone even knows for sure what's in the deal and here you are going off AGAIN.  Sheeeeeeeeesh......and you call Trump bipolar.... :shrug:

When I see Trump's advisors falling away, then I'll be concerned.  We have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.

....and I thought it was just me.
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« Reply #568 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:13 pm »
Would've the uranium be more difficult for Iran to access, too?    Are we sure these reports are accurate?

I made this very point earlier. If you weren't ignoring me you would know that.  Js.
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« Reply #569 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:14 pm »
I recall in the movie "Sum of All Fears" (2002) they traced the uranium back to an Israeli fighter jet buried in the desert since the 1973 War.
Actually, it was a reactor in Savannah River (US Origin).
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« Reply #570 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:16 pm »
Actually, it was a reactor in Savannah River (US Origin).

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« Reply #571 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:19 pm »
It was a freaking movie!

It was, but the underlying physics is reasonably accurate.  Isotope variations can be used to "source" enriched materials.
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« Reply #572 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 04:24 pm »
It was, but the underlying physics is reasonably accurate.  Isotope variations can be used to "source" enriched materials.

Sure, but the plot would have been just as viable if they said it was my backyard.
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« Reply #573 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 05:06 pm »
Donald J. Trump

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Barack Hussein Obama’s Deal with Iran, the JCPOA, was an easy, beautiful, smooth road to a Nuclear Weapon, which Iran would have had six years ago, and would have used long before now. My Agreement with Iran is the exact opposite, A WALL TO NO NUCLEAR WEAPON! In fact, they no longer want a Nuclear Weapon, nor will they have one, either through purchase, development, or any other form of procurement. The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL. Our relationship with Iran is a much different and better one than previous Administrations have had. Unlike Obama’s Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in payments to them, including 1.7 Billion Dollars in green, cold cash, no money will exchange hands. At the appropriate time, when all is calm, we will go in and get the Nuclear Dust, buried deep under the powerful sunken granite mountains, thanks to our beautiful B-2 Bombers and their brilliant pilots, and downblend and destroy it, whether in Iran, or the United States. We look forward to working with Iran, and the entire Middle East, long into the future. Hopefully, this process will all work out quickly, easily, and smoothly. If it doesn’t, we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again! Thank you for your attention to this matter!!! President DONALD J. TRUMP
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« Reply #574 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:25 pm »
It was a freaking movie!
Yes, it was. Never said it wasn't. Just getting the details right in the plot.
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« Reply #575 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:25 pm »
It was, but the underlying physics is reasonably accurate.  Isotope variations can be used to "source" enriched materials.
Right down to the reactor, if the profile is known.
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« Reply #576 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:27 pm »
Sure, but the plot would have been just as viable if they said it was my backyard.
I know Arizona is mineral rich, but is there something in your back yard you haven't told us about? :laugh:
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« Reply #577 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:43 pm »
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Five U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN that Iran has begun collapsing tunnels and rigging entrances with explosive mines to secure its near weapons-grade uranium stockpile. The roughly half-ton cache of highly enriched material is now far more difficult and dangerous to access.
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« Reply #578 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:48 pm »
Yes, it was. Never said it wasn't. Just getting the details right in the plot.

The leaking /disarmed 'bomb' was looted by Bedouins who ultimately died in agony from radiation poisoning...in the Egyptian or Jordanian desert when blowing sand exposed a tail wing.

It ultimately was sold to the perps.

I'm assuming uranium originated in Savannah

My point was simply that a 2002 movie referred to a 1972 well-accepted notion to be able to identify the source of any processed weapons grade uranium.
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« Reply #579 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:56 pm »
The leaking /disarmed 'bomb' was looted by Bedouins who ultimately died in agony from radiation poisoning...in the Egyptian or Jordanian desert when blowing sand exposed a tail wing.

It ultimately was sold to the perps.

I'm assuming uranium originated in Savannah

My point was simply that a 2002 movie referred to a 1972 well-accepted notion to be able to identify the source of any processed weapons grade uranium.

I think we agree on that capability, even though it was mentioned in a fictional account. Clancy brought up a bunch of things in his books people were not aware of. He also foresaw commercial airliners being used in  kamikaze attacks.
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« Reply #580 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 06:59 pm »
I think we agree on that capability, even though it was mentioned in a fictional account. Clancy brought up a bunch of things in his books people were not aware of. He also foresaw commercial airliners being used in  kamikaze attacks.

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The leaking /disarmed 'bomb' was looted by Bedouins who ultimately died in agony from radiation poisoning...in the Egyptian or Jordanian desert when blowing sand exposed a tail wing.

It ultimately was sold to the perps.


In the movie, the perps were some leftover Odessa (Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen) Nazis.  But in Clancy's book, the perps were Palestinians.  Hollywood sanitized the movie because they didn't want to offend the Jew-hating muslims of Gaza and Samaria.
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« Reply #582 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 07:19 pm »
They'll stop trying to develop a nuke and just buy one or 10 from North Korea or China.
The've had plenty of cash for over 5 decades.

Why would they not have done that previously instead of the laborious process of developing their own before now?

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« Reply #583 on: Saturday, Jun 13, 2026 07:56 pm »
In the movie, the perps were some leftover Odessa (Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen) Nazis.  But in Clancy's book, the perps were Palestinians.  Hollywood sanitized the movie because they didn't want to offend the Jew-hating muslims of Gaza and Samaria.

Yep, which has been the trend since 9/11 of using totally non-believable white terrorists as bad guys.  In fact, I remember when George Bush asked Hollywood (at Saudi behest) to avoid using Arab and/or Islamic bad guys in any future post-9/11 films in order to "fight Islamophobia" and all that nonsense.

Flashback to November 2001:

A NATION CHALLENGED: THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY; Hollywood Discusses Role in War Effort

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Several of those who attended the meeting at the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills said Mr. Rove began by briefing them on the state of the war campaign, at home and abroad.

Then Mr. Rove went through a list of points and projects that he thought might be addressed by Hollywood. The entertainment industry could help make clear, for instance, that the war is against terrorism, not Islam, he said. It could help issue a ''call to service'' to all Americans, urging them to volunteer for national and local community service. It could organize entertainment and support for American troops and their families. It could help the administration clarify that this is a global conflict requiring a global response, and that it is a fight against evil rather than a disagreement between nations. And it could aid in the process of reassuring children and families in these uncertain times.

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I think the last actual Arab adversaries in a Hollywood film were the "Crimson Jihad" goons in 'True Lies' with Schwarzenegger.


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The Big Beautiful Deal is at hand!.  This is yuge. 

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U.S., Iran expected to "electronically" sign agreement to end war Sunday

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The U.S. and Iran, together with Pakistani and Qatari mediators, are expected to hold a virtual meeting on Sunday and electronically sign a memorandum of understanding that will extend the ceasefire by 60 days, reopen the Strait of Hormuz and launch negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.

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What they're saying: "We are closer to a peace deal than ever before. With finalization likely expected in the next 24 hours, Pakistan is preparing for the electronic signing of the peace deal immediately after, followed by technical level talks next week," Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif wrote on X on Saturday.

Shortly after, the Pakistani foreign ministry confirmed that the virtual signing ceremony has been scheduled for Sunday.

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Behind the scenes: U.S. officials and sources in the mediating countries confirmed that the signing will take place virtually, and claimed it is mainly for logistical reasons.

One of the main reasons is that Vice President J.D. Vance, who is leading the U.S. negotiations team, wouldn't have been able to go back to the U.S. before President Trump leaves for the G7 summit in France on Monday morning, the sources said.

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Noone even knows for sure what's in the deal and here you are going off AGAIN.  Sheeeeeeeeesh......and you call Trump bipolar.... :shrug:

When I see Trump's advisors falling away, then I'll be concerned.  We have no idea what is going on behind the curtains.

It does not matter a wit what the deal is or what its says. Its worthless. Iran will not honor it, as many here and history have said.

They will continue to pursue nukes because using them is their reason for existence, its their religion to start a worldwide conflagration, to kill all Americans, to kill all Jews, to kill all Christians.

47's advisors are as numb and ignorant of Iran's goals, as he is in making a deal of any sort. For them, its all politics all fun and games, opportunities to make money etc. Everyone knows that 47 surrounds himself with "yes men" who tell him what he wants to hear; those that do not, are quickly gone. Then, 47 becomes bored and moves on himself. Something new some other project, etc hold his attention.

For the Mad Mullahs and its SS [ IRGC ], its about surviving to kill as many humans as possible, as soon as possible, starting with the US and Israel. No deal will deter them, only give them more time and money to make nukes and ICBMS. They want the US$300 billion in frozen assets. They will get most of it one way or another via Qatar or Oman or Pakistan or 47.

What lies "behind the curtains" is irrelevant. No safeguards, no inspections, none of that "trust but verify" crap applies - Iran will always find ways around all of that, no matter how ironclad they may seem initially.

There are those that claim I hate 47, but they are wrong. He's good domestically with issues he understands on which he was elected, but once he cross either ocean, he's lost and easily played for a fool. Sorry, if you do not like that assessment, it can be upsetting, especially to the true believers here. But it needs to be said, even if it pisses some off.
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Lay a dirty bomb over the site and a hundred years from now perhaps someone can approach it.

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I think we agree on that capability, even though it was mentioned in a fictional account. Clancy brought up a bunch of things in his books people were not aware of. He also foresaw commercial airliners being used in  kamikaze attacks.

The USAF has a fleet of planes whose job is to sniff the air after a nuclear test to determine all manner of things, including the yield, the material used, etc. They are not fictional!!!
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They've had plenty of cash for over 5 decades.

Why would they not have done that previously instead of the laborious process of developing their own before now?

Because every one, except Americans, know what the Mad Mullahs' goal is. And are not stupid.

Most Americans live in a sheltered bubble, safe from the harsh realities found in the rest of the world. It can't happen here, no way they would attack, sure that's what they say but we've got the biggest baddest military, there's no such things as aliens, flying saucers are a hoax, the list goes on and on to the point of being tiresome. Naming their state capital is difficult for some.

Contemplating a nuclear attack by an Iranian ICBM combines two impossibilities for most Americans.
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The USAF has a fleet of planes whose job is to sniff the air after a nuclear test to determine all manner of things, including the yield, the material used, etc. They are not fictional!!!

Yeah, they've had that technology since the late 1940s.  It's how the USAF and the AEC discovered the first Soviet Joe-1 nuclear test in 1949.
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What agreement?

Let's say you and I have an agreement:  You signed it but I did not.  In fact, if anybody asks me, I say there is no agreement.  So do we have an agreement?

This is where we are with Iran.  A five-year-old knows there's no agreement!
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"This is a clear attempt by Israel to sabotage the President’s deal and drag the United States back into war," the diplomat added.

A senior Israeli official rejected the notion that Israel is to blame for the exchange of fire.

"Hezbollah attacks have targeted Israeli civilians the past three days," the official told Fox News.
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A senior Israeli official rejected the notion that Israel is to blame for the exchange of fire.

"Hezbollah attacks have targeted Israeli civilians the past three days," the official told Fox News.

I wasn't aware that Israel was supposed to be a signatory to Trump's "deal" and bound by its terms.   :whistle:
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I wasn't aware that Israel was supposed to be a signatory to Trump's "deal" and bound by its terms.   :whistle:

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What agreement?

Let's say you and I have an agreement:  You signed it but I did not.  In fact, if anybody asks me, I say there is no agreement.  So do we have an agreement?

This is where we are with Iran.  A five-year-old knows there's no agreement!

Had a nice nest of Iranian referrals during Pres. Reagan's administration...so it was a decade of direct experience negotiating/bartering with Persians.

I think they approach any negotiation as a "Game within a Game".

And they need to win 'BOTH' of them.   :laugh:
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Trump demands end to Israeli attacks on Lebanon, says Sunday strikes 'should not have happened'

President Donald Trump condemned Israel's strikes against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon's capital of Beirut on Sunday and demanded an end to the aggression.

Trump made the statement in a post on his Truth Social account, saying the strikes threatened to crater chances of making a peace deal with Iran.

"This morning’s attack on Beirut should not have happened, particularly on a special day when we are so close to a Peace Deal with Iran. Israel has the right to defend itself against threats, but the attack it was responding to was very small and meaningless, nobody was hurt, injured, or killed, and should not disrupt this important process," Trump wrote.

"We are very close to a Deal that will bring peace to the region, including to Lebanon, and all sides should stand down. There should be no more attacks by Israel anywhere in Lebanon, but there should also be no more attacks by any other party, including Hezbollah, against Israel. This could be the beginning of a long and beautiful peace — Let’s not blow it!" he added.
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Top Iranian official says Israel's attacks on Beirut may undermine peace negotiations

The speaker of Iran's parliament condemned Israel's Sunday attack on Hezbollah targets in Beirut, suggesting that the U.S. gave Israel a "green light" for the strikes.

Speaker Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf made the statement in a post on X, suggesting that the attacks may further complicate peace talks.

"The Zionists' incursion into Dahiyeh has once again shown that America either lacks the will to fulfill its commitments or the ability to do so. By giving the green light to the regime, you cannot gain concessions. The game of bad cop and good cop is outdated," Ghalibaf wrote.

"If you lack the will and ability to fulfill your commitments, speaking of continuing the path is not possible," he added.
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