Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[Fishrrman]

from bele's reply 884 above:
"Oh wait .... we're supposed to trust Iran as they have promised not to build a nuke?  Seriously??? "

I've pretty much stopped reading the "iran threads".
Waste of my time now.
Especially since this "deal" was announced.

There's really only one way (in my feeble mind) to describe this "agreement", courtesy of Ayn Rand:
"In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."

That's the way this is going to go in the coming years.

[240B]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2066863370607690203

Nothing Trump says can be believed.

[BobfromWB]

from bele's reply 884 above:
"Oh wait .... we're supposed to trust Iran as they have promised not to build a nuke?  Seriously??? "

I've pretty much stopped reading the "iran threads".
Waste of my time now.
Especially since this "deal" was announced.

There's really only one way (in my feeble mind) to describe this "agreement", courtesy of Ayn Rand:
"In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."

That's the way this is going to go in the coming years.

until Iran successfully completes its newly approved ICBM program & launches them with MIRVd nuclear warheads. Let the fun begin!!!

[Timber Rattler]

And Trump totally goes off the rails at the G7 meeting...

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066864038168957199

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066833734800666836

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/2066857498858938626/video/1

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066868746900079074

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066866711316267257

[libertybele]

And Trump totally goes off the rails at the G7 meeting...

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066864038168957199

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066833734800666836

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/2066857498858938626/video/1

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066868746900079074

http://twitter.com/i/status/2066866711316267257

Current Iran leadership are very rational people and are not radicalized????

[mystery-ak]

My recollection is that the people of Iran were protesting and were being slaughtered and Trump announced that help is on the way and more people took to the streets and that help never came....the punishments and murders continued.

I think that sequence of events is correct...

[240B]

When Trump returned from China, Trump was no longer Trump.
China turned him into Jimmy Carter. Trump is Jimmy Carter now.

[240B]

5 reasons Trump allies don’t like his Iran deal

The Hill
by Laura Kelly and Colin Meyn
06/16/26

Some of President Trump’s most prominent allies in his war on Iran are revolting against the reported contours of his memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Tehran to end the conflict.

Conservative pundits and hawkish Iran experts are warning against any agreement that gives up key leverage against the Islamic Republic, or opens access to badly needed funds, without completely giving up its nuclear capacity.

The text of the deal is not released, but it would reportedly allow Iran to immediately restart oil exports free from U.S. trade and banking sanctions, while Gulf states would contribute to a $300 billion reconstruction fund as part of a final deal.

Iran would commit to never pursuing nuclear weapons and to hand over its enriched uranium, though the details of that process would be hammered out in future talks.

While the memorandum is largely meant to set the terms for future negotiations, Iran hawks are worried Tehran has no intention of following through and will use the financial lifeline and reprieve from fighting to rebuild both militarily and organizationally.

“Ask yourself: Why are so many of us who support and defend President Trump all expressing the same concerns about this deal?” asked Marc Thiessen, a conservative commentator with a line to the president, on Tuesday.

“If we’re wrong release the MOU and show the world there’s nothing to be concerned about.”

Here are five reasons Iran hawks are alarmed:

• The text is not yet available
• Little substance on nuclear program
• MOU allows Iran to resume oil exports
• It creates $300B reconstruction fund for Iran
• Israel’s hands tied on Lebanon

(more)
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5926899-trump-allies-oppose-iran-mou/

People who "win" a war do not make 'deals'.

[Idiot]

until Iran successfully completes its newly approved ICBM program & launches them with MIRVd nuclear warheads. Let the fun begin!!!

What do you see here? 

[mystery-ak]

I see a photo is toooo big...I will reduce it..

[Idiot]

I see a photo is toooo big...I will reduce it..

LOL....like I even know how to do that...lol.  Thanks....

[DCPatriot]

Heck..I’d consider it a win to get the straight opened and make sure they have no nukes. We need to arm the general Iranian population in some way.  Is that worth US lives?  I personally don’t think so.

Absolutely agree,

But it's going to take military might ...aka Precision Weapons to kill these mutinous rebels.

That's what I hope the President meant when he said "...we have Eyes in the Skies 24/7..."

[240B]

Clouds darken over Trump’s Iran deal

The Hill
by Niall Stanage
06/16/26

A storm is growing over President Trump’s deal to end the war with Iran.

The memorandum of understanding (MOU) agreed between the two sides is expected to be formally signed in Switzerland on Friday. It has already been signed electronically by senior figures in Washington and Tehran, including Trump.

But no official text has been made public. The vacuum has been filled by fear, speculation and, increasingly, by leaks of the text that may or may not be accurate.

Trump on Tuesday promised he would go though the MOU “word by word” in public — but not immediately, only in “the next couple of days.”

The bottom line is that Republican lawmakers, especially those of a more hawkish worldview, are deeply uneasy; some prominent conservative commentators are incandescent; and people around Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are making it known that requests to see the MOU have been rebuffed, which they cast as extraordinary and shabby treatment of an ally.

Democrats and liberals are mostly content to let the disarray on the right play out. Their stance, in essence, is that Trump plunged into a reckless and unnecessary war from which he is now willing to pay almost any price to escape.

(more)
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5927055-trump-iran-deal-criticism/

So Trump is ostensibly negotiating for the Nation of Israel, but he will not allow Israel to see what he, Trump, has committed that Israel will or will not do.

[berdie]

Correct me if I am wrong..I am pretty sure the *Help is on the way* statements brought the people to the streets on several occasions...all to be arrested or shot until they stopped doing it...and Trump stopping making these statements.

That is my recollection as well.