Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[Wingnut]

Read my posts above about Pakistan -- likely Vance is involved in the crypto business with Witkoff, Kushner and the Trumps.

Put your mud cleats on because you need more traction.

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/2068812558027350346

[libertybele]

Put your mud cleats on because you need more traction.

No. If you read my posts it is very easy to connect the dots. 

[Timber Rattler]

Read my posts above about Pakistan -- likely Vance is involved in the crypto business with Witkoff, Kushner and the Trumps.

Oh I know all about it.  Total conflict of interest. 

Another question I have about Witkoff and Kushner serving as free-lancer negotiators for Trump is how are their "official" records and communications being preserved and archived, with respect to the Presidential Records Preservation Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1966, the Federal Records Act of 1950, and ultimately the National Archives Acts of 1934 and 1984?

Or are they not? 

And it seems that they are accountable to Trump and Trump only, since there is NO enabling legislation at all that permits them to negotiate anything on behalf of the U.S., and NO congressional oversight to whatever these agreements are that Trump is signing off on for the entire country.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Because he thought it was a bad idea to surrender?

Nah.  First, the US hasn't surrendered.  But, I think Rubio's been asked to focus on our hemisphere for a while --- he's a natural.  And, he's celebrating a win in Columbia helped by a strong Trump/US endorsement.  This win is excellent news. 

https://twitter.com/SecRubio/status/2068851809440116849

[Luis Gonzalez]

The historical record shows that muslims made no advances in anything - they stole them from Classical Western Civilization, the Persians, and Hindus, among many. Their buildings were designed and erected by slaves, mainly Jews. They merely passed on things that interested various individuals - they destroyed the rest.

I guess its pointless to argue this further as the brain washing has overtaken both history and rationality. Please recite the Shahada and be done with it.

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history

[Luis Gonzalez]

No. If you read my posts it is very easy to connect the dots. 

What dots. I’m still waiting for you to put up those “fact” to debunk my posts.

I’m sorry… but if you are not a Lincoln Project insert  you’re dumb as dirt.

[libertybele]

Oh I know all about it.  Total conflict of interest. 

Another question I have about Witkoff and Kushner serving as free-lancer negotiators for Trump is how are their "official" records and communications being preserved and archived, with respect to the Presidential Records Preservation Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1966, the Federal Records Act of 1950, and ultimately the National Archives Acts of 1934 and 1984?

Or are they not? 

And it seems that they are accountable to Trump and Trump only, since there is NO enabling legislation at all that permits them to negotiate anything on behalf of the U.S., and NO congressional oversight to whatever these agreements are that Trump is signing off on for the entire country.

Meanwhile Congress grilled Rubio  on whether the foreign business dealings of WLF co-founders and Trump envoys—like Steve Witkoff—present severe conflicts of interest. So .... IMHO that is why Rubio was sent elsewhere and isn't involved in the negotiations. 

[Kamaji]

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history

Well put!

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/2068855528923517417

[libertybele]

What dots. I’m still waiting for you to put up those “fact” to debunk my posts.

I’m sorry… but if you are not a Lincoln Project insert  you’re dumb as dirt.

I haven't commented on your posts, but gee thanks for the flippin' compliment. I love you too Louis! Lincoln Project???

I haven't liked Kushner since Trump's first term and have been very vocal .... he's a snake and if you can't see the connections .... well ...  back at ya!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history