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A Sermon Against the Gospel of Fear - A Last Wire Official Rant
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A Sermon Against the Gospel of Fear - A Last Wire Official Rant.
Fear is the oldest political currency in history.

The Last Wire

It sells obedience. Rewards conformity. And convinces people to surrender freedom for the promise of safety.

Every generation believes its fears are unique. Most are not.

In A Sermon Against the Gospel of Fear, I examine how fear became one of the most powerful forces shaping politics, media, institutions, and everyday life. The article asks a simple but uncomfortable question:

When pressure rises, do we remain citizens who govern ourselves—or do we become subjects of our own anxieties?

This is not an argument for ignoring danger.

It is an argument against allowing fear to become the organizing principle of a free society.

Read the full rant at The Last Wire

What poses the greater risk to freedom: the dangers we face, or the fear that persuades us to abandon our principles in response to them?


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Re: A Sermon Against the Gospel of Fear - A Last Wire Official Rant
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, Jun 09, 2026 10:19 am »
A fascinating and wide-ranging discussion of fear!

In just a small corner of human endeavor, politics, when I first developed an interest in the subject (70s-80s),  I found "fear" to be an ineffective motivator to drive Elections.  Since that time, fear and hate have become the front line Prime Motivators!  This is distressing to me because there is no longer room for discussions of issues!

I don't know how or why this came to be, but it's taken all of the fun and utility out of politics.  Gone are the days of persuasion to get people to vote, now they have to be frightened to the polls!  No wonder why so many people have just checked out and don't vote anymore.  The shenanigans going on in California are not the cause, but rather the symptoms.
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Re: A Sermon Against the Gospel of Fear - A Last Wire Official Rant
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A fascinating and wide-ranging discussion of fear!

In just a small corner of human endeavor, politics, when I first developed an interest in the subject (70s-80s),  I found "fear" to be an ineffective motivator to drive Elections.  Since that time, fear and hate have become the front line Prime Motivators!  This is distressing to me because there is no longer room for discussions of issues!

I don't know how or why this came to be, but it's taken all of the fun and utility out of politics.  Gone are the days of persuasion to get people to vote, now they have to be frightened to the polls!  No wonder why so many people have just checked out and don't vote anymore.  The shenanigans going on in California are not the cause, but rather the symptoms.

To me, spreading lies and misinformation to instill fear is the most reprehensible thing a person could do. Specifically, when directed at the medical/pharmaceutical industry.

It’s personal.
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The sword of "misinformation" cuts both ways.

While one motivator may be fear, bad (as in not in the best interests of patients) decisions have been made solely on the basis of profit, and while difficult to prove in a peer reviewed environment (because those controlling the funding for the studies that will be peer reviewed have a dog in this fight), there are those intrepid or desperate souls who have little or no alternative but to try off-label and unapproved (again for lack of peer reviewed research showing benefit) courses of treatment, and sometimes with success.

When pharmacological research began, the search was for a cure, for the fame, acclaim, and prestige (not to mention the benefit to patients) that cure or prevention would bring. Names like Lister, Pasteur, Salk, Sabin, ring in the annals of medical history for those accomplishments--accomplishments not controlled or motivated strictly by the quarterly statements at the board of directors' meeting.
I'm not saying results never got tweaked, but that it was less likely because the fallout if exposed, would ruin a career and standing in the field.

So what becomes the single most important thing in all this?

Honesty.
 
Integrity.

The idea that the patient's benefit comes foremost in selecting treatment options, not whether the treatment can be hit with a fresh patent and billions can be made before it goes generic. The question of whether items currently on the shelf can be used off label with genuinely beneficial effects.

It isn't the idea that medicine is good or bad, it becomes (and should be) a question of what works.
If that won't put billions on the bottom line, so be it, but at least the patients will be around to get some other malady that just might enhance the corporate coffers.

Are we doing science or bid'ness?

In the name of making money, science takes the rumble seat, and it's raining.
We're all (to some degree or another) afraid of dying, especially a protracted, painful, debilitating exit from this mortal veil, and that is the fear being exploited.
Better we return to seeing what works, gathering that data, even helping those experimenting on themselves to document the methods and results, so we can get the information to make informed decisions about what to use, how much, and how often to achieve desired outcomes--or whether to not use it at all. How many used Ivermectin, doxycycline (or some other antibiotic) and zinc during COVID, who tested positive, and what were their outcomes? What else, if anything did they use?
[I did. The 'horse paste' in weight appropriate dose (.2 mg/kg of Ivermectin), once per day, 200 mg of Doxycycline per day, one zinc supplement tablet (50 mg) per day, 1000 mg vitamin C per day, and recovered in a week, despite being overweight, having scarring in my lungs, a type 2 diabetic, and over 60--four comorbidities that should have contributed to my death.]
 Two others I knew used what I call 'AMA medicine', and trusted "The ScienceTM" and died, in hospital.
 
I had seen Zelenko's YouTube video (before it got pulled) describing Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc usage as a treatment protocol for COVID, explaining what each component did and how that fit into the strategy to defeat the disease.
He sold a supplement package later (a 'sin' used against him, enabling people claim he was just hawking pills and not a 'real' doctor) which had most of what was needed in a single package.
But the video, before it was pulled, made sense. I dug into the effects of Zinc on SARS, and it killed the virus by halting replication in vitro and in vivo during research done in 2005 (linked somewhere in the NIH library). The HCQ got the zinc through the cell membrane into the cytoplasm, the Zithromax warded off bacterial infection and gave the virus time to die out. It made good, scientific sense that this would work against SARS-Cov-2.
Having heard how Hydroxychloroquine was a killer on CNN, as if one tablet would lay you out, and my mother taking it off-label for Rheumatoid arthritis for 7 years, I knew CNN was lying. Mom's in her 90s, now.
What I did not understand was why they would lie about something like that.
 
HCQ was, primarily (on label), an anti-parasitic, used off label for RA and Lupus. (Which is why I paid attention to whispers of Ivermectin being useful, too, to help get the Zinc ions into the cell, through the membrane, where they could shut down the replication of the virus and let the body clean up the wreckage, incidentally, developing natural immunity, something the body does with most pathogens it survives.)
I had read the 2015 Nature article that I still believe heralded the invention of COVID, and it noted that known anti-virals were ineffective, but no one had tried an anti-parasitic. Was this class of drugs key to defeating the virus?
Needless to say, the amount of damage prevented by and the effectiveness of those HCQ and IVM protocols was greatest earliest in the progression of the disease, and the protocols were an early onset treatment, although there were claims that they could help as the disease was more advanced. Zelenko had claimed to have treated some 800+ patients with the HCQ protocol and only one had been hospitalized, all not waiting for confirmation of COVID (which early on could have taken 2 weeks to confirm, allowing the disease to progress to a critical stage), but as soon as they showed symptoms. The likelihood of harm from the protocol was very low, despite CNN's rantings.

Railing against that possibility as a selling point for little tested and unproven shots was also scientifically weak. Studies were produced showing HCQ (only) as ineffective against COVID in hospitalized (more advanced) patients, but in only part of one study was Azithromycin administered, too, and NEVER (as in not one study) was Zinc supplementation also administered. An ionophore without ions is like sending empty landing craft to the beach on D-Day.
 
In the meantime, drugs were being administered which had known lethal or damaging side-effects, in hospital, experimentally (even though results of experimentation in Africa had shown renal failure to be common in patients taking that particular drug), and respirators were used to push congestion into the deepest recesses of struggling lungs in an effort to push air into them too. Of course antibiotics are ineffective against viruses, so they were not administered. It has been postulated that a lot of people who officially died of COVID actually died of an opportunistic bacterial pneumonia, taking advantage of stagnant mucous in the lungs.

It is unknown how many actually used one of those protocols and survived just fine, or had negative results (I'm sure those would have been proclaimed loud and widely had there been some, just to bolster the narrative, but that did not happen). Only a study conducted in Brazil where toxic doses of Chloroquine (a different drug from HCQ) were administered was spoken of, and in that study the dosages were lethal and the study was stopped--the point that CNN made--that the study was stopped because the subjects died, but not why they died, and somehow conflating the effects of the two different drugs.

Billions were made selling shots with questionable efficacy, and even safety, depending on who is doing the talking, all under the Emergency Use Authorization maintained by decrying the HCQ and IVM protocols as not being viable treatments.
There was a definite money motive to not do good science and preserve the narrative.
Now, I'm using COVID as an example, without having gone across the Oncological red line and pointing to 'managing' cancer, but both have great potential to make lots of money now, as do other chronic and often lethal diseases.
If you came up with a simple pill or protocol that would cure, not inhibit, but cure cancer--even just one or two forms--the financial devastation that would wreak on the medical industry is incalculable.
Entire clinics and careers have been built around cutting this out and radiating that and administering cocktails of medicines that come just short of killing the patient in hopes the cancer dies first. Even buying a few months more comes at a premium. Would a single (or a couple of) inexpensive off-the-shelf compounds that suppressed cancer, limited tumor growth, or even caused remission be suppressed if they could not be freshly compounded, patented, and administered under a new name for tremendous profit?
Stay tuned.
A friend with a PSA of 800 (Stage 4 prostate cancer) opted out of chemo after it nearly killed him, and has been taking Ivermectin. His last PSA was well under 100, a year down the road, and he has recovered his energy and even put 30 lbs back on. No new tumor growth.
Others have indicated similar results. That's "anecdotal evidence" and not considered to be scientifically valid because the 'right people' weren't taking notes, but he is not alone, and those taking note in the land of unofficial medicine have tried the same on other cancers as well. That jury is out, despite some promising results.

What has shifted in the medical field over the last 100 years:

The trend to treat symptoms, not causes.

Pharmacological research is steered by potential profit, not by any altruistic motive of doing good. It's funded by a corporate board, seeking profit for the stockholders, so limited diseases which have too few sufferers or cures which have no profit potential (already generic or non-patentable) get little or no focus.
This is fertile ground for any from those seeking cures desperately for their loved ones or selves to encounter charlatans and hucksters promising hope but delivering little, and unfortunately, those who genuinely are seeking a cure, 'old school' to relieve suffering and maybe get some recognition (which will bring profit later, theoretically), who are investigating repurposing known drugs or using natural and unpatentable substances to try to find cures will be lumped in with the charlatans and demonized by the news outlets that have at least one prescription drug ad per commercial cycle.

It isn't that medicine can't do good, it becomes a question of whether the shift to immediate pecuniary reward over ending pain and suffering is preventing it from doing well.
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A fascinating and wide-ranging discussion of fear!

In just a small corner of human endeavor, politics, when I first developed an interest in the subject (70s-80s),  I found "fear" to be an ineffective motivator to drive Elections.  Since that time, fear and hate have become the front line Prime Motivators!  This is distressing to me because there is no longer room for discussions of issues!

I don't know how or why this came to be, but it's taken all of the fun and utility out of politics.  Gone are the days of persuasion to get people to vote, now they have to be frightened to the polls!  No wonder why so many people have just checked out and don't vote anymore.  The shenanigans going on in California are not the cause, but rather the symptoms.
The problem with relegating stimulus response to the limbic brain, is that reason and rational evaluation of the situation (whatever it is) is over. No rational discussion can be carried on with the hysterically terrified.

From Dune, by Frank Herbert:

Quote
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

In such thoughts are the roots of courage to not only press on, but to do so with a rational mind.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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The sword of "misinformation" cuts both ways.

While one motivator may be fear, bad (as in not in the best interests of patients) decisions have been made solely on the basis of profit, and while difficult to prove in a peer reviewed environment (because those controlling the funding for the studies that will be peer reviewed have a dog in this fight), there are those intrepid or desperate souls who have little or no alternative but to try off-label and unapproved (again for lack of peer reviewed research showing benefit) courses of treatment, and sometimes with success.

When pharmacological research began, the search was for a cure, for the fame, acclaim, and prestige (not to mention the benefit to patients) that cure or prevention would bring. Names like Lister, Pasteur, Salk, Sabin, ring in the annals of medical history for those accomplishments--accomplishments not controlled or motivated strictly by the quarterly statements at the board of directors' meeting.
I'm not saying results never got tweaked, but that it was less likely because the fallout if exposed, would ruin a career and standing in the field.

So what becomes the single most important thing in all this?

Honesty.
 
Integrity.

The idea that the patient's benefit comes foremost in selecting treatment options, not whether the treatment can be hit with a fresh patent and billions can be made before it goes generic. The question of whether items currently on the shelf can be used off label with genuinely beneficial effects.

It isn't the idea that medicine is good or bad, it becomes (and should be) a question of what works.
If that won't put billions on the bottom line, so be it, but at least the patients will be around to get some other malady that just might enhance the corporate coffers.

Are we doing science or bid'ness?

In the name of making money, science takes the rumble seat, and it's raining.
We're all (to some degree or another) afraid of dying, especially a protracted, painful, debilitating exit from this mortal veil, and that is the fear being exploited.
Better we return to seeing what works, gathering that data, even helping those experimenting on themselves to document the methods and results, so we can get the information to make informed decisions about what to use, how much, and how often to achieve desired outcomes--or whether to not use it at all. How many used Ivermectin, doxycycline (or some other antibiotic) and zinc during COVID, who tested positive, and what were their outcomes? What else, if anything did they use?
[I did. The 'horse paste' in weight appropriate dose (.2 mg/kg of Ivermectin), once per day, 200 mg of Doxycycline per day, one zinc supplement tablet (50 mg) per day, 1000 mg vitamin C per day, and recovered in a week, despite being overweight, having scarring in my lungs, a type 2 diabetic, and over 60--four comorbidities that should have contributed to my death.]
 Two others I knew used what I call 'AMA medicine', and trusted "The ScienceTM" and died, in hospital.
 
I had seen Zelenko's YouTube video (before it got pulled) describing Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc usage as a treatment protocol for COVID, explaining what each component did and how that fit into the strategy to defeat the disease.
He sold a supplement package later (a 'sin' used against him, enabling people claim he was just hawking pills and not a 'real' doctor) which had most of what was needed in a single package.
But the video, before it was pulled, made sense. I dug into the effects of Zinc on SARS, and it killed the virus by halting replication in vitro and in vivo during research done in 2005 (linked somewhere in the NIH library). The HCQ got the zinc through the cell membrane into the cytoplasm, the Zithromax warded off bacterial infection and gave the virus time to die out. It made good, scientific sense that this would work against SARS-Cov-2.
Having heard how Hydroxychloroquine was a killer on CNN, as if one tablet would lay you out, and my mother taking it off-label for Rheumatoid arthritis for 7 years, I knew CNN was lying. Mom's in her 90s, now.
What I did not understand was why they would lie about something like that.
 
HCQ was, primarily (on label), an anti-parasitic, used off label for RA and Lupus. (Which is why I paid attention to whispers of Ivermectin being useful, too, to help get the Zinc ions into the cell, through the membrane, where they could shut down the replication of the virus and let the body clean up the wreckage, incidentally, developing natural immunity, something the body does with most pathogens it survives.)
I had read the 2015 Nature article that I still believe heralded the invention of COVID, and it noted that known anti-virals were ineffective, but no one had tried an anti-parasitic. Was this class of drugs key to defeating the virus?
Needless to say, the amount of damage prevented by and the effectiveness of those HCQ and IVM protocols was greatest earliest in the progression of the disease, and the protocols were an early onset treatment, although there were claims that they could help as the disease was more advanced. Zelenko had claimed to have treated some 800+ patients with the HCQ protocol and only one had been hospitalized, all not waiting for confirmation of COVID (which early on could have taken 2 weeks to confirm, allowing the disease to progress to a critical stage), but as soon as they showed symptoms. The likelihood of harm from the protocol was very low, despite CNN's rantings.

Railing against that possibility as a selling point for little tested and unproven shots was also scientifically weak. Studies were produced showing HCQ (only) as ineffective against COVID in hospitalized (more advanced) patients, but in only part of one study was Azithromycin administered, too, and NEVER (as in not one study) was Zinc supplementation also administered. An ionophore without ions is like sending empty landing craft to the beach on D-Day.
 
In the meantime, drugs were being administered which had known lethal or damaging side-effects, in hospital, experimentally (even though results of experimentation in Africa had shown renal failure to be common in patients taking that particular drug), and respirators were used to push congestion into the deepest recesses of struggling lungs in an effort to push air into them too. Of course antibiotics are ineffective against viruses, so they were not administered. It has been postulated that a lot of people who officially died of COVID actually died of an opportunistic bacterial pneumonia, taking advantage of stagnant mucous in the lungs.

It is unknown how many actually used one of those protocols and survived just fine, or had negative results (I'm sure those would have been proclaimed loud and widely had there been some, just to bolster the narrative, but that did not happen). Only a study conducted in Brazil where toxic doses of Chloroquine (a different drug from HCQ) were administered was spoken of, and in that study the dosages were lethal and the study was stopped--the point that CNN made--that the study was stopped because the subjects died, but not why they died, and somehow conflating the effects of the two different drugs.

Billions were made selling shots with questionable efficacy, and even safety, depending on who is doing the talking, all under the Emergency Use Authorization maintained by decrying the HCQ and IVM protocols as not being viable treatments.
There was a definite money motive to not do good science and preserve the narrative.
Now, I'm using COVID as an example, without having gone across the Oncological red line and pointing to 'managing' cancer, but both have great potential to make lots of money now, as do other chronic and often lethal diseases.
If you came up with a simple pill or protocol that would cure, not inhibit, but cure cancer--even just one or two forms--the financial devastation that would wreak on the medical industry is incalculable.
Entire clinics and careers have been built around cutting this out and radiating that and administering cocktails of medicines that come just short of killing the patient in hopes the cancer dies first. Even buying a few months more comes at a premium. Would a single (or a couple of) inexpensive off-the-shelf compounds that suppressed cancer, limited tumor growth, or even caused remission be suppressed if they could not be freshly compounded, patented, and administered under a new name for tremendous profit?
Stay tuned.
A friend with a PSA of 800 (Stage 4 prostate cancer) opted out of chemo after it nearly killed him, and has been taking Ivermectin. His last PSA was well under 100, a year down the road, and he has recovered his energy and even put 30 lbs back on. No new tumor growth.
Others have indicated similar results. That's "anecdotal evidence" and not considered to be scientifically valid because the 'right people' weren't taking notes, but he is not alone, and those taking note in the land of unofficial medicine have tried the same on other cancers as well. That jury is out, despite some promising results.

What has shifted in the medical field over the last 100 years:

The trend to treat symptoms, not causes.

Pharmacological research is steered by potential profit, not by any altruistic motive of doing good. It's funded by a corporate board, seeking profit for the stockholders, so limited diseases which have too few sufferers or cures which have no profit potential (already generic or non-patentable) get little or no focus.
This is fertile ground for any from those seeking cures desperately for their loved ones or selves to encounter charlatans and hucksters promising hope but delivering little, and unfortunately, those who genuinely are seeking a cure, 'old school' to relieve suffering and maybe get some recognition (which will bring profit later, theoretically), who are investigating repurposing known drugs or using natural and unpatentable substances to try to find cures will be lumped in with the charlatans and demonized by the news outlets that have at least one prescription drug ad per commercial cycle.

It isn't that medicine can't do good, it becomes a question of whether the shift to immediate pecuniary reward over ending pain and suffering is preventing it from doing well.

Excellent response.

What I appreciate most is that you don’t reduce the issue to “medicine bad” or “medicine good.” You bring it back to something much more important: incentives, honesty, and whether the patient’s interests are truly coming first.

I also agree that profit and science are not automatically at odds. Medical breakthroughs require funding, research, and investment. But when profit becomes the primary driver, it is fair to ask whether certain treatments, especially inexpensive or off-patent ones, receive the same level of attention as therapies with greater financial potential.

One point that is sometimes lost in these discussions is that treatment decisions don’t begin with a pharmaceutical company. They begin with a doctor sitting across from a patient, evaluating the evidence, weighing risks and benefits, and deciding what is most appropriate for that individual case. Whatever concerns we may have about industry incentives, that physician-patient relationship should remain at the center of medicine.

Your point about integrity is probably the most important one. Trust is earned through transparency, not demanded through authority. People are far more willing to accept uncomfortable conclusions when they believe the process was honest and the questions were allowed to be asked.

At the end of the day, the discussion should be about what works, what doesn’t, what the risks are, and what the evidence actually shows. That’s where good science lives.
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The sword of "misinformation" cuts both ways.

While one motivator may be fear, bad (as in not in the best interests of patients) decisions have been made solely on the basis of profit, and while difficult to prove in a peer reviewed environment (because those controlling the funding for the studies that will be peer reviewed have a dog in this fight), there are those intrepid or desperate souls who have little or no alternative but to try off-label and unapproved (again for lack of peer reviewed research showing benefit) courses of treatment, and sometimes with success.

When pharmacological research began, the search was for a cure, for the fame, acclaim, and prestige (not to mention the benefit to patients) that cure or prevention would bring. Names like Lister, Pasteur, Salk, Sabin, ring in the annals of medical history for those accomplishments--accomplishments not controlled or motivated strictly by the quarterly statements at the board of directors' meeting.
I'm not saying results never got tweaked, but that it was less likely because the fallout if exposed, would ruin a career and standing in the field.

So what becomes the single most important thing in all this?

Honesty.
 
Integrity.

The idea that the patient's benefit comes foremost in selecting treatment options, not whether the treatment can be hit with a fresh patent and billions can be made before it goes generic. The question of whether items currently on the shelf can be used off label with genuinely beneficial effects.

It isn't the idea that medicine is good or bad, it becomes (and should be) a question of what works.
If that won't put billions on the bottom line, so be it, but at least the patients will be around to get some other malady that just might enhance the corporate coffers.

Are we doing science or bid'ness?

In the name of making money, science takes the rumble seat, and it's raining.
We're all (to some degree or another) afraid of dying, especially a protracted, painful, debilitating exit from this mortal veil, and that is the fear being exploited.
Better we return to seeing what works, gathering that data, even helping those experimenting on themselves to document the methods and results, so we can get the information to make informed decisions about what to use, how much, and how often to achieve desired outcomes--or whether to not use it at all. How many used Ivermectin, doxycycline (or some other antibiotic) and zinc during COVID, who tested positive, and what were their outcomes? What else, if anything did they use?
[I did. The 'horse paste' in weight appropriate dose (.2 mg/kg of Ivermectin), once per day, 200 mg of Doxycycline per day, one zinc supplement tablet (50 mg) per day, 1000 mg vitamin C per day, and recovered in a week, despite being overweight, having scarring in my lungs, a type 2 diabetic, and over 60--four comorbidities that should have contributed to my death.]
 Two others I knew used what I call 'AMA medicine', and trusted "The ScienceTM" and died, in hospital.
 
I had seen Zelenko's YouTube video (before it got pulled) describing Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc usage as a treatment protocol for COVID, explaining what each component did and how that fit into the strategy to defeat the disease.
He sold a supplement package later (a 'sin' used against him, enabling people claim he was just hawking pills and not a 'real' doctor) which had most of what was needed in a single package.
But the video, before it was pulled, made sense. I dug into the effects of Zinc on SARS, and it killed the virus by halting replication in vitro and in vivo during research done in 2005 (linked somewhere in the NIH library). The HCQ got the zinc through the cell membrane into the cytoplasm, the Zithromax warded off bacterial infection and gave the virus time to die out. It made good, scientific sense that this would work against SARS-Cov-2.
Having heard how Hydroxychloroquine was a killer on CNN, as if one tablet would lay you out, and my mother taking it off-label for Rheumatoid arthritis for 7 years, I knew CNN was lying. Mom's in her 90s, now.
What I did not understand was why they would lie about something like that.
 
HCQ was, primarily (on label), an anti-parasitic, used off label for RA and Lupus. (Which is why I paid attention to whispers of Ivermectin being useful, too, to help get the Zinc ions into the cell, through the membrane, where they could shut down the replication of the virus and let the body clean up the wreckage, incidentally, developing natural immunity, something the body does with most pathogens it survives.)
I had read the 2015 Nature article that I still believe heralded the invention of COVID, and it noted that known anti-virals were ineffective, but no one had tried an anti-parasitic. Was this class of drugs key to defeating the virus?
Needless to say, the amount of damage prevented by and the effectiveness of those HCQ and IVM protocols was greatest earliest in the progression of the disease, and the protocols were an early onset treatment, although there were claims that they could help as the disease was more advanced. Zelenko had claimed to have treated some 800+ patients with the HCQ protocol and only one had been hospitalized, all not waiting for confirmation of COVID (which early on could have taken 2 weeks to confirm, allowing the disease to progress to a critical stage), but as soon as they showed symptoms. The likelihood of harm from the protocol was very low, despite CNN's rantings.

Railing against that possibility as a selling point for little tested and unproven shots was also scientifically weak. Studies were produced showing HCQ (only) as ineffective against COVID in hospitalized (more advanced) patients, but in only part of one study was Azithromycin administered, too, and NEVER (as in not one study) was Zinc supplementation also administered. An ionophore without ions is like sending empty landing craft to the beach on D-Day.
 
In the meantime, drugs were being administered which had known lethal or damaging side-effects, in hospital, experimentally (even though results of experimentation in Africa had shown renal failure to be common in patients taking that particular drug), and respirators were used to push congestion into the deepest recesses of struggling lungs in an effort to push air into them too. Of course antibiotics are ineffective against viruses, so they were not administered. It has been postulated that a lot of people who officially died of COVID actually died of an opportunistic bacterial pneumonia, taking advantage of stagnant mucous in the lungs.

It is unknown how many actually used one of those protocols and survived just fine, or had negative results (I'm sure those would have been proclaimed loud and widely had there been some, just to bolster the narrative, but that did not happen). Only a study conducted in Brazil where toxic doses of Chloroquine (a different drug from HCQ) were administered was spoken of, and in that study the dosages were lethal and the study was stopped--the point that CNN made--that the study was stopped because the subjects died, but not why they died, and somehow conflating the effects of the two different drugs.

Billions were made selling shots with questionable efficacy, and even safety, depending on who is doing the talking, all under the Emergency Use Authorization maintained by decrying the HCQ and IVM protocols as not being viable treatments.
There was a definite money motive to not do good science and preserve the narrative.
Now, I'm using COVID as an example, without having gone across the Oncological red line and pointing to 'managing' cancer, but both have great potential to make lots of money now, as do other chronic and often lethal diseases.
If you came up with a simple pill or protocol that would cure, not inhibit, but cure cancer--even just one or two forms--the financial devastation that would wreak on the medical industry is incalculable.
Entire clinics and careers have been built around cutting this out and radiating that and administering cocktails of medicines that come just short of killing the patient in hopes the cancer dies first. Even buying a few months more comes at a premium. Would a single (or a couple of) inexpensive off-the-shelf compounds that suppressed cancer, limited tumor growth, or even caused remission be suppressed if they could not be freshly compounded, patented, and administered under a new name for tremendous profit?
Stay tuned.
A friend with a PSA of 800 (Stage 4 prostate cancer) opted out of chemo after it nearly killed him, and has been taking Ivermectin. His last PSA was well under 100, a year down the road, and he has recovered his energy and even put 30 lbs back on. No new tumor growth.
Others have indicated similar results. That's "anecdotal evidence" and not considered to be scientifically valid because the 'right people' weren't taking notes, but he is not alone, and those taking note in the land of unofficial medicine have tried the same on other cancers as well. That jury is out, despite some promising results.

What has shifted in the medical field over the last 100 years:

The trend to treat symptoms, not causes.

Pharmacological research is steered by potential profit, not by any altruistic motive of doing good. It's funded by a corporate board, seeking profit for the stockholders, so limited diseases which have too few sufferers or cures which have no profit potential (already generic or non-patentable) get little or no focus.
This is fertile ground for any from those seeking cures desperately for their loved ones or selves to encounter charlatans and hucksters promising hope but delivering little, and unfortunately, those who genuinely are seeking a cure, 'old school' to relieve suffering and maybe get some recognition (which will bring profit later, theoretically), who are investigating repurposing known drugs or using natural and unpatentable substances to try to find cures will be lumped in with the charlatans and demonized by the news outlets that have at least one prescription drug ad per commercial cycle.

It isn't that medicine can't do good, it becomes a question of whether the shift to immediate pecuniary reward over ending pain and suffering is preventing it from doing well.

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'... decisions have been made solely on the basis of profit..."

None of this means corporations are saints.

There have been scandals.

There have been coverups.

There have been executives who chose revenue over responsibility.

That is not unique to pharmaceuticals.

The banking industry has paid billions in fines.

Energy companies have paid billions in fines.

Technology companies have paid billions in fines.

Telecommunications companies have paid billions in fines.

Defense contractors have paid billions in fines.

Automobile manufacturers have paid billions in fines.

Corporate misconduct is not evidence of a uniquely evil industry.

It is evidence that large organizations run by human beings sometimes make unethical decisions and are sometimes caught doing so.

Yet no serious person concludes from banking scandals that money itself should disappear.

No serious person concludes from aviation failures that airplanes should be abandoned.

No serious person concludes from food contamination outbreaks that modern agriculture should cease to exist.

We recognize a distinction between a system's failures and its purpose.

We recognize a distinction between corruption and utility.

We recognize a distinction between misconduct and achievement.

Curiously, many of those same distinctions disappear when the conversation turns to pharmaceuticals.

A scandal becomes proof of universal corruption.

A lawsuit becomes evidence of systemic malice.

A recalled drug becomes proof that every treatment is suspect.

And a century of medical progress is expected to stand trial for the sins of its worst actors.

A scandal is not a system.

A fine is not a verdict on an entire field.

And the existence of corporate misconduct does not erase the millions of people who lived because insulin existed, because antibiotics existed, because vaccines existed, because chemotherapy existed, because antihypertensives existed, because statins existed, because antiretrovirals existed.

The pharmaceutical industry deserves criticism where criticism is earned.

But condemnation without proportion is not accountability.

It is ideology.

And ideology has a habit of counting failures while pretending successes never happened.
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