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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1752 on: May 24, 2026, 10:27:20 am »
Any deal 47 makes with Iran is a failed deal. No matter what the paper says. 47 is definitely an amateur making deals with an inferior power just to "save lives" of proven mass murderers. Its 'kick the can down the road', while believing people who never honor any agreements, will suddenly become honest and reliable for the 1st time in 47 years.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1753 on: May 24, 2026, 10:34:13 am »
I must admit that I have no idea what the truth is here, but I highly doubt the truthfulness of the New York Times!  It seems Iran is firm about not surrendering anything, and Trump  is screwed if he gives them anything. 

The "debate" on this thread has the feel of a discussion on "how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin!"
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1754 on: May 24, 2026, 10:58:20 am »
I must admit that I have no idea what the truth is here, but I highly doubt the truthfulness of the New York Times!  It seems Iran is firm about not surrendering anything, and Trump  is screwed if he gives them anything. 

The "debate" on this thread has the feel of a discussion on "how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin!"

"how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin!"

As many as want to
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1755 on: May 24, 2026, 11:01:55 am »
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The regime in Iran is lying to you and your negotiators (period, stop!). Do not believe a word they say. I know you want to get out of this mess. All Americans want this unnecessary war to end. Keep in mind, as you have been told many times, Iran is still the leading state sponsor of terrorism (all anyone needs to say is Hezbollah, Hamas & Houthis, never mind IRGC-QF). None of these organizations are going away with this deal.

How about getting them to first publicly apologize for killing American Soldiers and U.S. Marines many times over (especially on this Memorial Day weekend). Yes, we are all sick of it.

And yes, the people of Iran must step up, but we need to signal to them, we will not concede their freedoms to the insane regime in Teheran. They deserve better. If we don’t, we will cause an entire population to be enslaved. For this, we have to smartly use our Middle East partners to support them along with our covert and clandestine operators. Trust me, if you support, this is very doable.

Anyway, I’m watching everything (like most of the world is) and admittedly I do not have all the information. But if we pay tribute to the regime to the tune of $25B, I’m concerned they’ll use it for nefarious purposes down the road.

No nukes in Iran may be a noble idea (an end goal for your administration) but the regime has blatantly lied to our faces before, why do you now believe they will tell you the truth?

Give it some thought. Get some out of the box solutions, and rethink your position. The art of the deal tells you to do that from time to time.

Now may be that time.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1756 on: May 24, 2026, 11:03:43 am »
I must admit that I have no idea what the truth is here, but I highly doubt the truthfulness of the New York Times!  It seems Iran is firm about not surrendering anything, and Trump  is screwed if he gives them anything. 

The "debate" on this thread has the feel of a discussion on "how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin!"

I don't know what to believe anymore. Iran says one thing the American Press says another...
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« Reply #1757 on: May 24, 2026, 11:05:25 am »
I don't know what to believe anymore. Iran says one thing the American Press says another...
Seems then the best recourse is to watch the actions being undertaken, not listening to words spoken.
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« Reply #1758 on: May 24, 2026, 11:13:18 am »
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I spoke last night with President @realDonaldTrump
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I expressed my deep appreciation to President Trump for his unwavering commitment to Israel’s security, including during Operation Roaring Lion and Epic Fury, when American and Israeli forces fought shoulder to shoulder against the Iranian threat.

President Trump and I agreed that any final agreement with Iran must eliminate the nuclear danger. That means dismantling Iran’s nuclear enrichment sites and removing its enriched nuclear material from its territory.

President Trump also reaffirmed Israel’s right to defend itself against threats on every front, including Lebanon.

The partnership between us and our two countries has been proven on the battlefield and has never been stronger.

My policy, like President Trump’s, remains unchanged: Iran will not have nuclear weapons.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1759 on: May 24, 2026, 11:14:17 am »
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BREAKING: US believes Iran's supreme leader has approved the broad template for draft deal with Iran. Iran has agreed in principle that in exchange for the US lifting blockade, Iran will agree in principle to dispose of highly enriched uranium. This draft has to make its way through the leadership system. But US wants them to commit to dispose of HMU and commit to resolve other nuclear issues. @VP
, Witkoff, Kushner involved in negotiations. US trying to involve every middle eastern ally. @CBSNews
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1761 on: May 24, 2026, 11:22:18 am »
"how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin!"

As many as want to

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« Reply #1762 on: May 24, 2026, 11:22:36 am »
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Senior administration official says the Iran agreement will not be signed today, but indicated progress on a deal.

"If the Iranians make significant accommodations on the enrichment question then we will make significant accommodations on sanctions relief,” the official said.

On the nuclear issue, the current plan is to deal with the entire stockpile of enriched material.

"If you have a final deal where the Iranian are enriching, then you don't have a final deal,” the official added.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1763 on: May 24, 2026, 11:25:59 am »
I don't know what to believe anymore. Iran says one thing the American Press says another...

The only thing I'm sure of is both are lying through their teeth!
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1765 on: May 24, 2026, 12:31:41 pm »

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2058563708117291074



https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/2058504450872901759

Does not include the Straits open, nor unconditional surrender, nor any dismantling of the Mullah/IRGC regime, nor any protections for the Persian people from Arab vengeance.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1766 on: May 24, 2026, 12:34:56 pm »
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I spoke last night with President @realDonaldTrump
 about the memorandum of understanding to reopen the Straits of Hormuz and the upcoming negotiations toward a final agreement on Iran’s nuclear program.

I expressed my deep appreciation to President Trump for his unwavering commitment to Israel’s security, including during Operation Roaring Lion and Epic Fury, when American and Israeli forces fought shoulder to shoulder against the Iranian threat.

President Trump and I agreed that any final agreement with Iran must eliminate the nuclear danger. That means dismantling Iran’s nuclear enrichment sites and removing its enriched nuclear material from its territory.

President Trump also reaffirmed Israel’s right to defend itself against threats on every front, including Lebanon.

The partnership between us and our two countries has been proven on the battlefield and has never been stronger.

My policy, like President Trump’s, remains unchanged: Iran will not have nuclear weapons.

That's a pretty weak, passive aggressive statement from Netanyahu.  Very obvious that he doesn't like this one bit.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1767 on: May 24, 2026, 12:35:53 pm »
We'll see what happens in the coming days.  Actions will prove to be louder than words or any supposed agreement.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1768 on: May 24, 2026, 12:36:19 pm »
Witkoff, Kushner involved in negotiations.

Tell you everything you need to know about this surrender in the making.
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« Reply #1769 on: May 24, 2026, 12:44:10 pm »
Tell you everything you need to know about this surrender in the making.

Witkoff and Kushner .... two sleazeballs.   

The fact that Rubio was left out is extremely troubling and cause for concern.

I'm still hopeful that it will be the U.S. that will trample on the agreements and Iran will be digging out of the dust.
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« Reply #1770 on: May 24, 2026, 12:59:44 pm »
That's a pretty weak, passive aggressive statement from Netanyahu.  Very obvious that he doesn't like this one bit.

His reelection campaign has started .... And Netanyahu's hanging this all over Israel.....

https://www.facebook.com/Netanyahu/posts/4317d9a0/1556526842509787/

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« Reply #1771 on: May 24, 2026, 01:12:08 pm »
There are many variations being reported regarding the agreement between the U.S. and Iran.  I hardly think that any final agreement has been made.  Though Trump has stated that the 'deal' is just about made, I have strong doubts.  IF we start seeing our troops and navy leaving the area, then that should give us an idea that the conflict is over and Trump is trusting Iran.

Trump: No rush on Iran deal, as Netanyahu demands end to nuclear threat

24 May 2026

U.S. President Donald Trump has said he has told his diplomatic representatives not to rush into a deal with Iran, while boasting that the negotiations represent the “exact opposite” of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, which he described as “one of the worst deals ever made by our Country.”

“The negotiations are proceeding in an orderly and constructive manner, and I have informed my representatives not to rush into a deal in that time is on our side,” Trump wrote on Truth Social..........

............In a statement posted on X on Sunday, Netanyahu said he spoke with Trump about the memorandum of understanding to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and the upcoming negotiations toward a final agreement on Iran’s nuclear program.

“I expressed my deep appreciation to President Trump for his unwavering commitment to Israel’s security, including during Operation Roaring Lion and Epic Fury, when American and Israeli forces fought shoulder to shoulder against the Iranian threat,” Netanyahu wrote.

Netanyahu said he and Trump agreed that any final agreement with Iran must eliminate the nuclear danger, which Netanyahu said means “dismantling Iran’s nuclear enrichment sites and removing its enriched nuclear material from its territory”..........

...........Trump also reaffirmed Israel’s right to defend itself against threats on every front, including Lebanon, Netanyahu said. “The partnership between us and our two countries has been proven on the battlefield and has never been stronger.”

In a separate post on X, Netanyahu shared an image of himself standing back to back with Trump, with the caption: “Iran will never have a bomb.”

A senior Iranian source earlier told Reuters that if Iran’s Supreme National Security Council approved the memorandum, it would be forwarded to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei for final ratification. However, Iran’s Tasnim news agency reported that differences remained over one or two clauses, citing a source who said there would be no final understanding if the United States continued to create obstacles.

Omani and Iranian officials held a meeting to discuss principles governing freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz in accordance with international law, the Omani news agency reported.

A military adviser to Iran’s Supreme Leader said on Sunday that managing the Strait of Hormuz was Tehran’s “legal right” to ensure national security. Iranian news agencies reported that Mohsen Rezaei, an adviser to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Iran’s management of the waterway “ends 50 years of insecurity in the Persian Gulf.”

Resul Serdar, an Al Jazeera correspondent reporting from Tehran, said Iranians have expressed openness to diplomatic engagement but accuse the United States of shifting positions...................

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/24/marco-rubio-says-significant-progress-made-in-us-iran-talks-to-end-war
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1772 on: May 24, 2026, 01:24:56 pm »

Any deal 47 makes with Iran is a failed deal. No matter what the paper says. 47 is definitely an amateur making deals with an inferior power just to "save lives" of proven mass murderers. Its 'kick the can down the road', while believing people who never honor any agreements, will suddenly become honest and reliable for the 1st time in 47 years.
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I am SICK of Trump. Every half hour Trump posts or releases a blurb on "how well the negotiations are going" as if he is proud of himself for some reason. I will make sure we get a "good deal".

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'GOOD DEAL', YOU FREAKIN MORON!! ANY DEAL IS A BAD DEAL, YOU FREAKIN RETARDED F**K!!
IRAN IS JUST PLAYING WITH YOU - LIKE A FOOL! "I WILL GET A GOOD DEAL WITH IRAN" IS A FOOL'S QUEST!
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ARE "NEGOTIATING" WITH THEM MEANS IRAN HAS ALREADY WON! THERE IS NO 'GOOD DEAL'.
TRUMP IS CHASING A UNICORN!

The winner of a war does no negotiate with the loser. Only Donald Trump is that stupid. The winner of the war sets the rules and the loser obeys. That is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Trump comes out every couple of days or so and declares, "I was just about to blow them to hell!! But I changed my mind at the last minute!" Bullshit! We all know that guy who claims, "I was just about ready to kick his ass! I could have hurt him bad!! But I decided to give him a break." When the reality is he ran away.

If I have to listen to Trump bragging about what a 'nice guy' he is by holding off on attacking Iran I am going to puke. I could destroy them in one day, he says with bravado. Shut the hell up you stupid pu$$y!!

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW WELL THE TALKS ARE GOING ANYMORE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT A 'GOOD DEAL' YOU GOT!
BLOW THEM UP AND END ALL THIS DRAMA! END IT! END IT! END IT NOW! IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN OVER MONTHS AGO!
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« Reply #1773 on: May 24, 2026, 01:41:18 pm »
I am SICK of Trump. Every half hour Trump posts or releases a blurb on "how well the negotiations are going" as if he is proud of himself for some reason. I will make sure we get a "good deal".

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'GOOD DEAL', YOU FREAKIN MORON!! ANY DEAL IS A BAD DEAL, YOU FREAKIN RETARDED F**K!!
IRAN IS JUST PLAYING WITH YOU - LIKE A FOOL! "I WILL GET A GOOD DEAL WITH IRAN" IS A FOOL'S QUEST!
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ARE "NEGOTIATING" WITH THEM MEANS IRAN HAS ALREADY WON! THERE IS NO 'GOOD DEAL'.
TRUMP IS CHASING A UNICORN!

The winner of a war does no negotiate with the loser. Only Donald Trump is that stupid. The winner of the war sets the rules and the loser obeys. That is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Trump comes out every couple of days or so and declares, "I was just about to blow them to hell!! But I changed my mind at the last minute!" Bullshit! We all know that guy who claims, "I was just about ready to kick his ass! I could have hurt him bad!! But I decided to give him a break." When the reality is he ran away.

If I have to listen to Trump bragging about what a 'nice guy' he is by holding off on attacking Iran I am going to puke. I could destroy them in one day, he says with bravado. Shut the hell up you stupid pu$$y!!

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW WELL THE TALKS ARE GOING ANYMORE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT A 'GOOD DEAL' YOU GOT!
BLOW THEM UP AND END ALL THIS DRAMA! END IT! END IT! END IT NOW! IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN OVER MONTHS AGO!
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1774 on: May 24, 2026, 01:41:49 pm »
I am SICK of Trump. Every half hour Trump posts or releases a blurb on "how well the negotiations are going" as if he is proud of himself for some reason. I will make sure we get a "good deal".

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'GOOD DEAL', YOU FREAKIN MORON!! ANY DEAL IS A BAD DEAL, YOU FREAKIN RETARDED F**K!!
IRAN IS JUST PLAYING WITH YOU - LIKE A FOOL! "I WILL GET A GOOD DEAL WITH IRAN" IS A FOOL'S QUEST!
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ARE "NEGOTIATING" WITH THEM MEANS IRAN HAS ALREADY WON! THERE IS NO 'GOOD DEAL'.
TRUMP IS CHASING A UNICORN!

The winner of a war does no negotiate with the loser. Only Donald Trump is that stupid. The winner of the war sets the rules and the loser obeys. That is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Trump comes out every couple of days or so and declares, "I was just about to blow them to hell!! But I changed my mind at the last minute!" Bullshit! We all know that guy who claims, "I was just about ready to kick his ass! I could have hurt him bad!! But I decided to give him a break." When the reality is he ran away.

If I have to listen to Trump bragging about what a 'nice guy' he is by holding off on attacking Iran I am going to puke. I could destroy them in one day, he says with bravado. Shut the hell up you stupid pu$$y!!

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW WELL THE TALKS ARE GOING ANYMORE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT A 'GOOD DEAL' YOU GOT!
BLOW THEM UP AND END ALL THIS DRAMA! END IT! END IT! END IT NOW! IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN OVER MONTHS AGO!

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« Reply #1775 on: May 24, 2026, 02:47:31 pm »
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🚨After receiving a briefing from a Senior TRUMP Administration Official on the status of the Iran negotiations (someone in the know & not just speculating), I can tell you the following:

-USA IS NOT GIVING IRANIANS MONEY FOR NOTHING. All speculation and propaganda to the contrary is false. Some hardline elements of Iran’s govt (IRGC) have pushed fake stories & propaganda to try to kill this negotiation.

-Iran deal is NOT done (95%, but still haggling over some language). No deal being signed today. May be a few more days before this is done.

-Iran will NOT get any money or sanctions relief up front.

-Iran must turn over nuclear stockpile to get anything. USA position is that failure to meet deal commitments means Iran gets nothing.

-Long term USA objective is preventing Iran from having nuclear weapon.

-Initial deal point is to re-establish free flow of commerce by reopening Strait of Hormuz.

Deal should have 2 phases:

Step 1 - Open Strait of Hormuz. Give world economy breathing room. Iran agrees to give up enriched uranium.

Step 2 - Get the nuclear material turned over. Only then can Iran get sanctions relief.

Bottom line: goal is to make a deal that lowers costs for Americans, calms world energy markets, and guarantees that Iranians cannot have a nuclear weapon over the long term. We aren’t there yet. Iran takes forever to get you a response on even small things. But we are close although it still could be a few days.

“If we get what we are demanding, this is going to be a historic deal,” SAO says.

SAO sounds prepared to do no deal at all if all Iran will do is a “bad deal.” SAO admits deal could fall apart yet. But if a deal is reached, SAO expects very senior USA admin officials to take part in a signing ceremony of some sort.

Iran has agreed in principle to the framework but there are still a couple points USA isn’t satisfied with. 95% done. But literally changing words sometimes requires days in Iran’s system. Haggling over language. But USA feels like we have a commitment on nuclear stockpile and on opening Strait of Hormuz.

If IRAN doesn’t deliver on commitments, they get nothing.

“Iran’s ability to project power is a lot more limited than it was two months ago,” SAO says. “Their industrial base for building ballistic missiles has been substantially destroyed.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1776 on: May 24, 2026, 02:47:46 pm »
It appears that the "deal" will be a 60-day cease fire. Iran allows the Strait of Hormuz to open, the USA halts its blockade, and all sanctions are lifted. Iran agrees to negotiate relinquishing its nuclear stockpile as part of a longer-term agreement. Nothing on ballistic missiles.

In other words, the mullahs emerge in a stronger position than before the war. They get international diplomatic and economic legitimacy, and our acknowledgement that they have control over the Strait of Hormuz, that the strait is not in international waters.

The pro-war and anti-war right will finally be in agreement that this is more than a TACO. It is a TACO with cheese and avocado thrown in.
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« Reply #1778 on: May 24, 2026, 02:55:31 pm »
The only thing I'm sure of is both are lying through their teeth!

Agreed.

Trump is not a stupid man and I have to believe that he knows Iran can't be trusted.  The ongoing conflicting information is likely information only to appear to appease, frustrate and confuse Iran.  Trump isn't going to give them jack schitz.  If he does, then I think Trump has reached senility.

On the other hand Kushner is involved with negotiations and this could turn out to be a complete epic failure and a black eye for Trump and America.

As I mentioned earlier, if we see our troops being sent home and our navy leaving the area, then we'll know that Trump completely failed us and the Iranian people.
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« Reply #1779 on: May 24, 2026, 02:56:00 pm »
I believe that chump-trump is "negotiating" with people who do not have the power to change or do anything.
The real power people in Iran have refused to deal with chump-trump. Iran no longer respects or fears Trump. <- Iran thinks he is a chump

It is my opinion that Trump is so fixated and is so absolutely obsessed with "making a deal", I believe that Trump will lie to protect Iran when it all falls apart which it certainly will.


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« Reply #1780 on: May 24, 2026, 03:08:59 pm »
Agreed.

Trump is not a stupid man and I have to believe that he knows Iran can't be trusted.  The ongoing conflicting information is likely information only to appear to appease, frustrate and confuse Iran.  Trump isn't going to give them jack schitz.  If he does, then I think Trump has reached senility.

On the other hand Kushner is involved with negotiations and this could turn out to be a complete epic failure and a black eye for Trump and America.

As I mentioned earlier, if we see our troops being sent home and our navy leaving the area, then we'll know that Trump completely failed us and the Iranian people.

Not just Kushner, but our gulf allies. They are happy to do business with the mullahs, who from time to time will force American involvement in the region, which brings in lots of revenue to them.


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« Reply #1781 on: May 24, 2026, 03:13:37 pm »
It appears that the "deal" will be a 60-day cease fire. Iran allows the Strait of Hormuz to open, the USA halts its blockade, and all sanctions are lifted. Iran agrees to negotiate relinquishing its nuclear stockpile as part of a longer-term agreement. Nothing on ballistic missiles.

In other words, the mullahs emerge in a stronger position than before the war. They get international diplomatic and economic legitimacy, and our acknowledgement that they have control over the Strait of Hormuz, that the strait is not in international waters.

The pro-war and anti-war right will finally be in agreement that this is more than a TACO. It is a TACO with cheese and avocado thrown in.

I think most of the tweets and responses from Trump and other 'sources' generally report that no agreement has been finalized. 

To boot, likely Iran will falter on any agreement opening the door for U.S. and possibly Israeli response.

We've all been expecting an iron clad agreement that Trump acknowledges is completed and agreed to.  That hasn't happened yet.

It is frustrating when there are many conflicting tweets and even comments by Trump.

This is a different perspective than my usual  pessimism  .... but I'm still giving Trump some credit here.
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« Reply #1782 on: May 24, 2026, 03:16:57 pm »
Not just Kushner, but our gulf allies. They are happy to do business with the mullahs, who from time to time will force American involvement in the region, which brings in lots of revenue to them.

I don't care about our Gulf allies.  I care about Kushner because he's a snake.  I believe he was the 'leaker' in Trump's first administration and has led Trump down a thorny path.  Hopefully Trump realizes his SIL could land our country in some real trouble; maybe he already has.  It's hard to tell right now.  It has recently been reported that Ivanka has been targeted ... that is concerning.
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« Reply #1783 on: May 24, 2026, 03:22:02 pm »
I think most of the tweets and responses from Trump and other 'sources' generally report that no agreement has been finalized. 

To boot, likely Iran will falter on any agreement opening the door for U.S. and possibly Israeli response.

We've all been expecting an iron clad agreement that Trump acknowledges is completed and agreed to.  That hasn't happened yet.

It is frustrating when there are many conflicting tweets and even comments by Trump.

This is a different perspective than my usual  pessimism  .... but I'm still giving Trump some credit here.

There is quite a bit appearing in media reports. Here is one example:

https://www.axios.com/2026/05/24/iran-deal-strait-hormuz-sanctions-nuclear

I haven't seen anything in any media, including right wing media, that suggests these reports are untrue. More tellingly, the deal that is getting reported in the MSM is not being denied by the administration. Instead, they are basically saying "wait and see what is actually in it." That response is very telling.

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« Reply #1784 on: May 24, 2026, 03:29:14 pm »
I am SICK of Trump. Every half hour Trump posts or releases a blurb on "how well the negotiations are going" as if he is proud of himself for some reason. I will make sure we get a "good deal".

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'GOOD DEAL', YOU FREAKIN MORON!! ANY DEAL IS A BAD DEAL, YOU FREAKIN RETARDED F**K!!
IRAN IS JUST PLAYING WITH YOU - LIKE A FOOL! "I WILL GET A GOOD DEAL WITH IRAN" IS A FOOL'S QUEST!
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ARE "NEGOTIATING" WITH THEM MEANS IRAN HAS ALREADY WON! THERE IS NO 'GOOD DEAL'.
TRUMP IS CHASING A UNICORN!

The winner of a war does no negotiate with the loser. Only Donald Trump is that stupid. The winner of the war sets the rules and the loser obeys. That is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Trump comes out every couple of days or so and declares, "I was just about to blow them to hell!! But I changed my mind at the last minute!" Bullshit! We all know that guy who claims, "I was just about ready to kick his ass! I could have hurt him bad!! But I decided to give him a break." When the reality is he ran away.

If I have to listen to Trump bragging about what a 'nice guy' he is by holding off on attacking Iran I am going to puke. I could destroy them in one day, he says with bravado. Shut the hell up you stupid pu$$y!!

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW WELL THE TALKS ARE GOING ANYMORE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT A 'GOOD DEAL' YOU GOT!
BLOW THEM UP AND END ALL THIS DRAMA! END IT! END IT! END IT NOW! IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN OVER MONTHS AGO!

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« Reply #1785 on: May 24, 2026, 03:45:18 pm »

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/2058615019307160021
People on this thread need to heed accordingly instead of prematurely wild speculations.

The losers stating we have lost and the enemy is strengthened are no better than the MSM.

They do not have access to intelligence.

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« Reply #1786 on: May 24, 2026, 04:08:06 pm »
from reply 1732 above:
"iran continues to attempt to build support for its protection racket in the Persian Gulf..."

It's not "a protection racket".
It's jizya.
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« Reply #1787 on: May 24, 2026, 04:15:40 pm »
Thoughts and prediction for the day:

If Mr. Trump (and all of us in the USA) are not willing to do what is necessary to defeat iran -- and that means a full scale ground war with all that implies (including a new draft) -- then we are going to force the Israelis into finishing the job themselves.

There's only one problem:
Israel can't defeat iran using "conventional means" alone.
If they want to ensure that iran can no longer be a threat to them, they'll have to "go nuclear".
Perhaps a version of "The Samson Option".

One way... or the other.
Just a matter of time.
So... what's it gonna be?

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« Reply #1789 on: May 24, 2026, 05:32:07 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pAIkDRPkec


For reasons I cannot begin to explain, Trump is deadset and determined to snatch defeat from victory.
Everybody is telling Trump that Iran is making a fool out of him, and yet he continues undeterred.
"I will get a good deal." There should be NO deal at all. Iran should be on their knees groveling before us.
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« Reply #1790 on: May 24, 2026, 05:48:42 pm »
Thoughts and prediction for the day:

If Mr. Trump (and all of us in the USA) are not willing to do what is necessary to defeat iran -- and that means a full scale ground war with all that implies (including a new draft) -- then we are going to force the Israelis into finishing the job themselves.

There's only one problem:
Israel can't defeat iran using "conventional means" alone.
If they want to ensure that iran can no longer be a threat to them, they'll have to "go nuclear".
Perhaps a version of "The Samson Option".

One way... or the other.
Just a matter of time.
So... what's it gonna be?

IMO, Israel using any tactical nukes on Iran would only makes Iran's desire to have that capability...valid.
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« Reply #1791 on: May 24, 2026, 05:51:21 pm »
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Trump gives Iran ‘5, 6, 7 days’ to finalize deal as ‘No Dust, No Dollars’ talks continue: official

A framework agreement with Iran was “95% there” as of Sunday, officials told Fox News, though they said negotiators were still haggling over "language" detailing Tehran’s nuclear stockpile and the Strait of Hormuz.

“We are not going to roll over. We are not there yet on a deal. We are not going to sign a deal today or tomorrow,” the official said before adding that President Donald Trump’s “instinct is to give them 5, 6, 7 days” to get an agreement over the line.

The official confirmed a “No Dust, No Dollars” policy was guiding negotiations, adding that Iran had agreed “in principle to the framework, and we are 95% there.”

“We have a deal on the nuclear stockpile and the Strait of Hormuz but are negotiating language,” the official said, reiterating the administration’s “No Dust, No Dollars” approach.

“We have the opportunity to make a deal that will lower costs for Americans while ensuring the Iranians do not get a nuclear weapon,” the official added.

“We are not going to do a bad deal, that’s for sure. We have optionality and can resume military strikes if a deal is not reached.”

Trump also instructed negotiators Sunday “not to rush into a deal” and stressed that “time is on our side.”

On Saturday, Trump said a deal with Iran — which he described as a “memorandum of understanding” — had been “largely negotiated.”

Fox News' Kayleigh McEnany contributed to this report.
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« Reply #1792 on: May 24, 2026, 05:52:02 pm »
I am SICK of Trump. Every half hour Trump posts or releases a blurb on "how well the negotiations are going" as if he is proud of himself for some reason. I will make sure we get a "good deal".

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'GOOD DEAL', YOU FREAKIN MORON!! ANY DEAL IS A BAD DEAL, YOU FREAKIN RETARDED F**K!!
IRAN IS JUST PLAYING WITH YOU - LIKE A FOOL! "I WILL GET A GOOD DEAL WITH IRAN" IS A FOOL'S QUEST!
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ARE "NEGOTIATING" WITH THEM MEANS IRAN HAS ALREADY WON! THERE IS NO 'GOOD DEAL'.
TRUMP IS CHASING A UNICORN!

The winner of a war does no negotiate with the loser. Only Donald Trump is that stupid. The winner of the war sets the rules and the loser obeys. That is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Trump comes out every couple of days or so and declares, "I was just about to blow them to hell!! But I changed my mind at the last minute!" Bullshit! We all know that guy who claims, "I was just about ready to kick his ass! I could have hurt him bad!! But I decided to give him a break." When the reality is he ran away.

If I have to listen to Trump bragging about what a 'nice guy' he is by holding off on attacking Iran I am going to puke. I could destroy them in one day, he says with bravado. Shut the hell up you stupid pu$$y!!

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW WELL THE TALKS ARE GOING ANYMORE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT A 'GOOD DEAL' YOU GOT!
BLOW THEM UP AND END ALL THIS DRAMA! END IT! END IT! END IT NOW! IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN OVER MONTHS AGO!

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« Reply #1793 on: May 24, 2026, 05:54:18 pm »
We'll see what happens in the coming days.  Actions will prove to be louder than words or any supposed agreement.

The Hajj is going on in Saudi Arabia, so it will be quiet for the next few days.


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« Reply #1794 on: May 24, 2026, 06:01:46 pm »
Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday accused Hezbollah of trying to plunge Lebanon further into turmoil, condemning calls by its leader to overthrow the government.

Naim Qassem had suggested Sunday that supporters take to the streets to topple the government, according to reports.

In a statement Rubio said Hezbollah had ignored repeated calls from Lebanon’s government to respect the ceasefire and halt attacks.

“Instead, it has continued firing on Israeli positions and moving fighters and weapons into southern Lebanon,” Rubio said.

“This is a deliberate campaign to destabilize the country and maintain its power at the expense of the future of the Lebanese people.”

Rubio said Lebanon’s government was working toward recovery, reconstruction and stability with “the full support of the United States.”

“Hezbollah, by contrast, is actively trying to drag Lebanon back into chaos and destruction,” Rubio said, adding that the era in which a terrorist group could hold an entire nation hostage “is coming to an end.”
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« Reply #1795 on: May 24, 2026, 06:07:34 pm »
“Hezbollah, by contrast, is actively trying to drag Lebanon back into chaos and destruction,” Rubio said, adding that the era in which a terrorist group could hold an entire nation hostage “is coming to an end.”
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I don't think so. The Christians and Muslims have been fighting over this territory for 3000 years. They aren't going to stop just because Rubio tells them to.


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« Reply #1797 on: May 24, 2026, 06:11:27 pm »
I don't think so. The Christians and Muslims have been fighting over this territory for 3000 years. They aren't going to stop just because Rubio tells them to.
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Islam began in the 7th century

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« Reply #1799 on: May 24, 2026, 06:16:09 pm »

Trump gives Iran ‘5, 6, 7 days’ to finalize deal as ‘No Dust, No Dollars’ talks continue: official
Trump refuses to accept and understand who and what he is dealing with. Trump refuses to hear them when they yell, 'GO TO HELL!'.
He simply will not and can not accept the very idea that he cannot "make a deal". The very idea hurts his soul.

Trump offers Deal #1 - Iran spits on him and says, You will burn in hell you Infidel pig!
Trump gives them more time
Trump offers Deal #2 - Iran laughs in his face and says, I will rape your wife you dirty Kafir.
Trump gives them more time
Trump offers Deal #3 - Iran wipes their butt with it and throws it back in Trump's face.
Trump gives them more time
Trump offers Deal #∞ - Iran attacks ships in the gulf and sends missiles to UAE.
Trump give them more time

For whatever reason, Trump is determined to lose this conflict no matter how long it takes and no matter how many people die waiting for him.
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