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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #802 on: May 07, 2026, 08:21:49 pm »
The only thing I can guess is there is lot going on behind the scenes that they are not telling us. Perhaps they believe Iran already has a nuke and are waiting for the best opportunity to use it, who really knows. Nothing makes much sense these days.
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« Reply #803 on: May 07, 2026, 08:48:18 pm »
The only thing I can guess is there is lot going on behind the scenes that they are not telling us. Perhaps they believe Iran already has a nuke and are waiting for the best opportunity to use it, who really knows. Nothing makes much sense these days.

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« Reply #804 on: May 07, 2026, 08:48:53 pm »
Meanwhile .... news about Trump's other Middle East endeavors ----

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Israel strikes south Lebanon beyond designated 'security zone'
France 24, May 4, 2026

Israel carried out air strikes in southern Lebanon on Sunday, killing one person and wounding eight others, including four rescue workers, the Lebanese Ministry of Health said. The attack took place beyond the Israel-controlled area designated as a “security zone” and despite the ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah in effect since April 17.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260503-middle-east-war-live-trump-says-he-can-t-imagine-iran-s-latest-peace-plan-is-acceptable

US confirms it will host another round of Israel-Lebanon talks next week
By Jacob Magid Follow
Times of Israel, May 7, 2026

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-confirms-it-will-host-another-round-of-israel-lebanon-talks-next-week/

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Fears of renewed Gaza war as Hamas disarmament talks stall
BBC, May 7, 2026

Ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas have stalled, and Gaza risks sliding back into war.

This week an Israeli air strike killed the son of Hamas's leader and chief negotiator Khalil al-Hayya, and Palestinian sources confirmed to the BBC that the two sides had reached a deadlock in negotiations.

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At least 846 people – including many women and children – have been killed in Gaza since the ceasefire began, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. Israel says that five of its soldiers have been killed in the same period.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #805 on: May 07, 2026, 09:06:08 pm »
OOPS: Iranians Strike Cargo Ship Owned by Their Chinese Allies in the Strait of Hormuz

The war side of me suggests slyly moving a few Iran made/placed sea-mines into the path of China ships just to let China remember what they support.
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« Reply #806 on: May 07, 2026, 09:09:11 pm »
Future historical footnote describing Trump's war with Iran

a military victory for the United States, but a diplomatic victory for Iran
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #807 on: May 07, 2026, 09:16:57 pm »

U.S. Military Launches Strikes On Iranian Ports

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By Cullen McCue
May 7, 2026



Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin is reporting that the U.S. launched a fresh round of strikes against Iranian ports and infrastructure targets on Thursday afternoon.

“US military just carried out strikes on Iran’s Qeshm Port and Bandar Abbas,” Griffin posted on X, citing a senior U.S. defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “But this is NOT a restarting of the war,” the official added.

Iranian state media outlets, including Fars News Agency and Tasnim News Agency, reported on multiple explosions in southern Iran, specifically targeting areas around the port city of Bandar Abbas and Qeshm Island in Hormozgan province near the Strait of Hormuz.

According to Iranian media, the Bahman Pier — a commercial and passenger facility on the eastern side of Qeshm Island — sustained damage during an exchange of fire between Iranian armed forces and an unidentified enemy. Locals reported hearing missile launches and impacts in the vicinity.

Some Iranian sources, including those affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps via Tasnim, attributed the strikes to the United Arab Emirates. These reports cited unidentified sources claiming UAE involvement and warned of potential retaliation, stating that if confirmed, “the UAE will pay the price of its hostile action.”

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #809 on: May 07, 2026, 11:19:24 pm »
This should be a drone war.

Send hundreds or thousands of drones towards those small boats as well as the bases they take off from.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #811 on: Today at 07:19:07 am »
He's obviously not listening to his generals and he is the CIC and responsibility falls in his lap.

Of course the MSM can't be trusted -- there aren't many true journalists out there.
I hate to say it, but he is making the same October surprise that Carter made. He is ignoring the people that understand the situation and trying to "Art of the Deal" with people that can not be trusted.
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That's what I keep telling myself...I hope it's true..
I sincerely hope it is not true that Iran has a nuke
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
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Future historical footnote describing Trump's war with Iran

a military victory for the United States, but a diplomatic victory for Iran

With 75% of their launchers still usable, this is hardly a US military victory. Who knows how many drones are coming in from China and Pakistan, with all the other supplies Iran needs to keep the regime intact?
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$950 million of crude oil shorts were placed at 3:40AM, just before the latest "end" to the war.  This fits a pattern totaling $7 billion of insider trades preceding Trump announcements. 

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
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Why isn't this a violation of the ceasefire?

Iran launches 2 ballistic missiles, 3 drones at United Arab Emirates

The United Arab Emirates said three people were injured Friday in a ballistic missile and drone attack launched from Iran.

The UAE’S Ministry of Defense said its “air defense systems engaged 2 ballistic missiles and 3 UAV’s launched from Iran, resulting in 3 moderate injuries.”

“Since the beginning of the blatant Iranian attacks on the United Arab Emirates, the air defenses have engaged a total of 551 ballistic missiles, 29 cruise missiles, and 2,263 UAVs,” it continued. “This brings the total number of injuries to 230, involving multiple nationalities.”

“The Ministry of Defense affirmed that it remains fully prepared and ready to deal with any threats and will firmly confront anything that aims to undermine the security of the country, in a manner that ensures the protection of its sovereignty, security and stability and safeguards its interests and national capabilities.”
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 US launches ‘self-defense’ strikes after Iran targets Navy destroyers — but US official insists cease-fire still stands: report
By Anna Young
Published May 7, 2026
Updated May 7, 2026, 7:07 p.m. ET

The US military unleashed a wave of “self-defense” strikes on an Iranian port Thursday after Tehran launched an “unprovoked” attack targeting US Navy ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz, officials said.

US Central Command said the retaliatory attack was carried out after US forces intercepted multiple missiles, drones and small boats targeting three guided-missile destroyers traveling through the vital waterway to the Gulf of Oman.

President Trump said the destroyers – USS Truxtun, USS Rafael Peralta, and USS Mason – were not damaged.

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Iran hawks erupt over terms of Trump’s peace proposal

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05/08/26

The reported terms of a one-page memorandum of understanding to end the Iran war spurred a swift backlash from allies of President Trump who have cheered on his fight against the Islamic Republic.

Prominent conservative media figures and pro-Israel advocates spoke out against the deal, which would end Iran’s nuclear enrichment for a limited period and keep the regime in place, with U.S. sanctions scaled back over time.

The proposal followed a surprise announcement by Trump on Tuesday to end Project Freedom, a military operation that began the previous day to free commercial ships stuck in the Persian Gulf.

Fox News broadcaster Mark Levin, who Trump has praised for defending the Iran war against MAGA critics, said the deal would be “disastrous” for Iranians and for the Israeli government.

“And here at home, despite all the blather about exit ramps and deals as the best political outcome for the president and Republicans, the opposite is true,” he wrote in an X post on Wednesday. “The Democrats, the media, and the isolationists will declare the operation a failure.”

Levin said he was inclined to believe the report in Axios laying out the terms was “largely fake.”

However, neither Trump nor the White House has pushed back against the report. The U.S. is awaiting Iran’s response to its proposal. Trump told Fox News on Wednesday that Tehran has a week to reach a peace deal.

The U.S. struck Iran for the first time on Thursday since starting a ceasefire last month, in retaliation for attacks on U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz, according to the Central Command. Trump called it a “love tap” and said the ceasefire remains in place.

According to Axios, the one-page agreement would create a 30-day-period to negotiate the details of a nuclear deal, with both sides relaxing their blockades in the Strait of Hormuz during that period, eventually allowing free passage as existed before the war.

In exchange for Iran agreeing to end nuclear enrichment for some 10-20 years, the U.S. would ease sanctions and return frozen assets to the regime.

Iran hawks see any end to the U.S. blockade as giving up crucial leverage when Tehran is feeling intense economic pain.

“This would be a terrible deal,” conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, another Trump backer, wrote on social media in response to the Axios report.

“I hope the terms of any deal would be significantly stricter: No enrichment, ever. HEU to us stat,” he continued, referring to highly enriched uranium.

“No more proxies. Turn on the internet. President Trump never gives up leverage. Why would he start now with #Iran on the ropes?” Hewitt added.

Many of Israel’s staunchest supporters in the U.S. don’t trust Iran’s current leaders to abide by any agreement and are pushing Trump to follow through on the regime change that he envisioned when the war started.

“If this regime remains in place, they will do all they can to continue moving forward with their agenda, funding terrorism, developing nukes and ballistic missiles,” Morton Klein, who heads the Zionist Organization of America, told The Hill.

“And if they’re so desperate for a deal, as President Trump keeps saying, why are we in a position to dictate to them what the deal has to be? I really don’t understand this.”

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5868335-trump-iran-peace-proposal-backlash/

If this is true and if Trump actually does this, then Iran can justifiably claim they won the war. Iran will say they defeated the 'Great Satan' and they are right.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
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Nope. The way things are going Iran wins and Trump/America loses.
Iran is making Trump look like a Carter/Obama type fool.

There has to be some kind of blackmail or leverage Iran has, which is making Trump cower and surrender.
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Nope. The way things are going Iran wins and Trump/America loses.
Iran is making Trump look like a Carter/Obama type fool.

There has to be some kind of blackmail or leverage Iran has, which is making Trump cower and surrender.

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The last week or so seems like POTUS is throwing darts at a decision board. 

In the Art of the Deal, he preaches consistency, sticking with the plan, and coming across as organized and focused.  Seen none of that lately, 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6myO8iSJmk


So far, Trump is not taking his advice as is typical of him. I'm afraid Trump is going to play around for too long -- the longer he waits, Iran and Tehran become stronger and personally I believe the longer he waits the more dangerous things become on our own soil.

Keane even stated that Tehran has the ability to sustain. It is hard to discern what Trump is waiting for.  The Strait must be taken by the U.S. and Keane mentioned that at some point other nations need to help -- that's not going to happen, other than the support from Israel.

Perhaps the U.S. doesn't have enough firepower or manpower to takeover the Strait. I can't think of any other reason for Trump to sit in the Strait while Iran is firing upon the UAE and US ships.
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US airstrikes hit tankers trying to break blockade of Iranian ports, official says

The U.S. military carried out airstrikes Friday on several tankers trying to run the blockade on Iranian ports, a U.S. official told Fox News.

The official said “these were Very Large Crude Carriers (VLCC)... massive, empty ships trying to make it back to Iran” and that they “attempted to run the blockade.”

The official added that several tankers were hit.

These empty oil tankers could have been trying to make it back to Iran to buy more time for oil storage.

Foundation for Defense of Democracies senior fellow Miad Maleki told Fox News earlier this week that Iran only has 13 days worth of traditional oil storage, but has been buying more time using empty oil tankers for storage.

"They have a few days of the onshore storage capacity left, and then another 30 to 45 days of tankers to fill up," Maleki said.

Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin and Liz Friden contributed to this report.
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Rubio says if Iran threatens Americans, ‘they’re going to get blown up’

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Friday that a clear red line has been conveyed to the Iranian regime: “If they threaten Americans, they're going to get blown up.”

Rubio made the remark after U.S. Central Command announced Thursday that “U.S. forces intercepted unprovoked Iranian attacks and responded with self-defense strikes as U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transited the Strait of Hormuz to the Gulf of Oman.”

"If you were a missile launching guy, whatever they call that job, and you're sitting there and you fire a missile at the United States and we saw you fire it, we're going to hit you. Of course we are. Who doesn't do that?” Rubio said. “Unless you want to get your ship sunk."

“I mean, we're not going to let our ships get sunk by the by the Iranians with their little, you know, their drones that they're firing. You know, they don't have a navy anymore, but they bring out these little Boston Whaler fishing boats and they try to swarm you,” Rubio added. “We're going to blow those boats up if they're coming towards our boats.”

“I don't know if that's a red line, but I hope they know it is by now. So if I were one of these Iranians on a fast boat and they tell you, ‘hey, your mission is to go after a U.S. destroyer,’ you're probably not going to survive. I think that's a red line,” he also said.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
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So far, Trump is not taking his advice as is typical of him. I'm afraid Trump is going to play around for too long -- the longer he waits, Iran and Tehran become stronger and personally I believe the longer he waits the more dangerous things become on our own soil.

Keane even stated that Tehran has the ability to sustain. It is hard to discern what Trump is waiting for.  The Strait must be taken by the U.S. and Keane mentioned that at some point other nations need to help -- that's not going to happen, other than the support from Israel.

Perhaps the U.S. doesn't have enough firepower or manpower to takeover the Strait. I can't think of any other reason for Trump to sit in the Strait while Iran is firing upon the UAE and US ships.

Keane isn't correct about everything.  Keeping the Blockade holding is Job 1 right now, it's crippling Iran's ability to affect to fund the IRGC. 
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Keane isn't correct about everything.  Keeping the Blockade holding is Job 1 right now, it's crippling Iran's ability to affect to fund the IRGC.

That may be, but it is also allowing Iran to fire upon its neighbors and it is allowing Iran time to build up their arsenal or at least clear underground passages where they keep their arsenal. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't see that the  U.S. can afford to keep that many ships in the area indefinitely.  Someone has to give; either the U.S. or  Iran. 
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Rubio says if Iran threatens Americans, ‘they’re going to get blown up’

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Friday that a clear red line has been conveyed to the Iranian regime: “If they threaten Americans, they're going to get blown up.”

Rubio made the remark after U.S. Central Command announced Thursday that “U.S. forces intercepted unprovoked Iranian attacks and responded with self-defense strikes as U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transited the Strait of Hormuz to the Gulf of Oman.”

"If you were a missile launching guy, whatever they call that job, and you're sitting there and you fire a missile at the United States and we saw you fire it, we're going to hit you. Of course we are. Who doesn't do that?” Rubio said. “Unless you want to get your ship sunk."

“I mean, we're not going to let our ships get sunk by the by the Iranians with their little, you know, their drones that they're firing. You know, they don't have a navy anymore, but they bring out these little Boston Whaler fishing boats and they try to swarm you,” Rubio added. “We're going to blow those boats up if they're coming towards our boats.”

“I don't know if that's a red line, but I hope they know it is by now. So if I were one of these Iranians on a fast boat and they tell you, ‘hey, your mission is to go after a U.S. destroyer,’ you're probably not going to survive. I think that's a red line,” he also said.

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Drone capabilities being fueled by Russia and China???  Time is only allowing them to continue to help Iran.

Trump is supposed to meet with Xi in Bejing next week.  We'll see what kind of deal he walks away with.  Also, after three assassination attempts Trump may be staring at another attempt.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #829 on: Today at 12:16:48 pm »
So far, Trump is not taking his advice as is typical of him. I'm afraid Trump is going to play around for too long -- the longer he waits, Iran and Tehran become stronger and personally I believe the longer he waits the more dangerous things become on our own soil.

Keane even stated that Tehran has the ability to sustain. It is hard to discern what Trump is waiting for.  The Strait must be taken by the U.S. and Keane mentioned that at some point other nations need to help -- that's not going to happen, other than the support from Israel.

Perhaps the U.S. doesn't have enough firepower or manpower to takeover the Strait. I can't think of any other reason for Trump to sit in the Strait while Iran is firing upon the UAE and US ships.

Other possible reasons, declining probability:
1. Troops are needed to secure the Strait - bombs alone cannot guarantee the sites cannot be quickly resurrected. But troops are politically unacceptable;

2. Ample stocks of munitions and major air support are need to protect the troops on the ground - there may not be enough of either for the job at hand;

2. The Twin Snakes: Witfoff & Kushner;

3. The Art of the Deal, 47's foundational document so to speak. It cannot be seen to fail, too tough a pill for him to swallow. He now knows that any deal will mean, as Keene points out, the 12ers & the IRGC remain in power with substantial cash - enough to rebuild, so he keeps wiggling in the hopes that something will work, somehow - a deal at any cost;

4. The IRGC has either made a nuke already or has bought one or more from North Korea but retains control over the use - as use will be traced back to them.
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Other possible reasons, declining probability:
1. Troops are needed to secure the Strait - bombs alone cannot guarantee the sites cannot be quickly resurrected. But troops are politically unacceptable;

2. Ample stocks of munitions and major air support are need to protect the troops on the ground - there may not be enough of either for the job at hand;

2. The Twin Snakes: Witfoff & Kushner;

3. The Art of the Deal, 47's foundational document so to speak. It cannot be seen to fail, too tough a pill for him to swallow. He now knows that any deal will mean, as Keene points out, the 12ers & the IRGC remain in power with substantial cash - enough to rebuild, so he keeps wiggling in the hopes that something will work, somehow - a deal at any cost;

4. The IRGC has either made a nuke already or has bought one or more from North Korea but retains control over the use - as use will be traced back to them.

Agreed and all  four scenarios seem highly likely.  Except for the last scenario, the other 3 can be remedied.
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« Reply #831 on: Today at 12:34:25 pm »
Keane isn't correct about everything.  Keeping the Blockade holding is Job 1 right now, it's crippling Iran's ability to affect to fund the IRGC.

I realize that. Keane apparently imo likes Trump..he is very careful not to demean or criticize Trump...when he speaks it's more of advice and being informative of the situation and especially the area we are at war with now. I  think Trump listens to him but he [Trump] is so wrapped up in *making a deal* that's all he is focused on. A victor in war sets the terms and doesn't make a deal...
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I realize that. Keane apparently imo likes Trump..he is very careful not to demean or criticize Trump...when he speaks it's more of advice and being informative of the situation and especially the area we are at war now. I  think Trump listens to him but he [Trump] is so wrapped up in *making a deal*. A victor in war sets the terms and doesn't make a deal...

I would hope that Trump's better judgement would outweigh his need for "making a deal" and realize that there is no making a deal  with Iran because they can't be trusted.  I'm sure that fact has been mentioned to him by just about all who advise him.
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I would hope that Trump's better judgement would outweigh his need for "making a deal" and realize that there is no making a deal  with Iran because they can't be trusted.  I'm sure that fact has been mentioned to him by just about all who advise him.

If I were talking to Trump I'd be mentioning it on the daily!
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U.S. Central Command announced Friday that a U.S. fighter jet disabled the vessels M/T Sea Star III and M/T Sevda prior to them “entering an Iranian port on the Gulf of Oman in violation of the ongoing U.S. blockade.”

“A U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet from USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) disabled both tankers after firing precision munitions into their smokestacks, preventing the non-compliant ships from entering Iran,” CENTCOM said in a statement.

"U.S. forces in the Middle East remain committed to full enforcement of the blockade of vessels entering or leaving Iran," said Adm. Brad Cooper, CENTCOM commander. "Our highly trained men and women in uniform are doing incredible work."

The development comes after American forces also disabled the Iranian-flagged M/T Hasna vessel on Wednesday as it tried to sail to an Iranian port on the Gulf of Oman.

“An F/A-18 Super Hornet from USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) disabled the unladen oil tanker's rudder by firing several rounds from a 20mm cannon gun,” CENTCOM said. “All three vessels are no longer transiting to Iran.”
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https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2052771841949749667

As long as Iran continues to be able to exercise some power, are aided by China and Russia, continue their presence in the Strait of Hormuz and the uncertainty still of their nuclear power, they need to be dealt with rather than 'patted' here and there.
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We are learning a bit more about yesterday’s high-intensity engagement between U.S. and Iranian forces in the Strait of Hormuz. According to a report from CBS, citing Iranian media, 10 sailors are claimed to be wounded and 5 missing after the engagement.

"Iranian Media" has the distinction of having even lower credibility than SeeBS news.
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"Iranian Media" has the distinction of having even lower credibility than SeeBS news.

"Citing" Iran media????  That's reliable  how???
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"Citing" Iran media????  That's reliable  how???

Hysterical, isn't it?  :happyhappy:
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