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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #400 on: April 25, 2026, 05:42:22 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #401 on: April 25, 2026, 05:50:53 pm »
The reason was enriched uranium and nuclear weapons. Anything short of securing that is in fact a failure. One cannot just pack up and go home while claiming victory if that is not achieved.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #402 on: April 25, 2026, 07:18:53 pm »
Quote from: DB on April 25, 2026, 05:50:53 pm
The reason was enriched uranium and nuclear weapons. Anything short of securing that is in fact a failure. One cannot just pack up and go home while claiming victory if that is not achieved.

If the enrichment facilities have been destroyed, and the uranium is buried somewhere or over in Pakistan (as an example), then what remains in U.S. control is  the Strait of Hormuz, which will take appx. 6 mos. to ensure that the mines are no longer a threat. The blockade may remain in place and technically the U.S. isn't declaring war??

Two more days till the WPA ends...who knows what is going to happen.  We can make assumptions, but Trump called off the meeting that Witkoff and Kushner were supposed to attend because negotiations failed; there is no negotiating with Iran.  :shrug:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #403 on: April 25, 2026, 07:32:18 pm »
Quote from: DB on April 25, 2026, 05:50:53 pm
The reason was enriched uranium and nuclear weapons. Anything short of securing that is in fact a failure. One cannot just pack up and go home while claiming victory if that is not achieved.
The nuclear material cannot be used readily as it is inaccesible. That is not optimum, but a win.

What is accessible is nuclear warheads being obtained by Iran from China or North Korea.

That angle is reduced by strangling Iran's cash by stifling its oilflow and freezing its assets.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #404 on: April 25, 2026, 08:27:34 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #405 on: April 25, 2026, 08:42:01 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on April 25, 2026, 07:32:18 pm
The nuclear material cannot be used readily as it is inaccesible. That is not optimum, but a win.

What is accessible is nuclear warheads being obtained by Iran from China or North Korea.

That angle is reduced by strangling Iran's cash by stifling its oilflow and freezing its assets.

That's the claim. But how do you actually know that? Pretty big bet. No one really knows where the uranium is until it is found. And how long will it take to dig it up if it is buried. Not very long. So I'm not buying that is a win.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #406 on: April 25, 2026, 08:56:51 pm »
Quote from: DB on April 25, 2026, 08:42:01 pm
That's the claim. But how do you actually know that? Pretty big bet. No one really knows where the uranium is until it is found. And how long will it take to dig it up if it is buried. Not very long. So I'm not buying that is a win.

IMHO anything short of the Persian people being freed from their Arab oppressors is not a win.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #407 on: April 25, 2026, 09:08:45 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on April 25, 2026, 08:56:51 pm
IMHO anything short of the Persian people being freed from their Arab oppressors is not a win.

I agree. But the official cause was enriched uranium.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #408 on: April 25, 2026, 09:46:36 pm »
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So, Trump was not lying, them shitheads stole the weapons in KRI, and there’s evidence.
write it down:

PUK (Patriotic Union of Kurdistan) stole the Iranian protester-destined weapons and scammed CIA.
Worse: Helped the Islamic Regime to stand and stay longer.
Who to blame: Bafel Talebani



5:11 PM  ·  Apr 25, 2026  ·  93.3K Views

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #409 on: April 25, 2026, 09:51:52 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #410 on: April 25, 2026, 09:52:41 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #411 on: April 25, 2026, 09:53:40 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #412 on: April 25, 2026, 10:00:39 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on April 25, 2026, 09:52:41 pm

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/2048146428493431090

If that's true, oblige Europe and close our bases and move out. What we have in common is quickly evaporating.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #413 on: Today at 06:59:30 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on April 25, 2026, 04:59:53 pm
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #414 on: Today at 07:10:51 am »
Quote from: libertybele on April 25, 2026, 07:18:53 pm
If the enrichment facilities have been destroyed ...

IF is the question. Until that situation is verified by on-scene inspection, best to remain skeptical and assume the IRGC still has access. Further, there is no guarantee that the sites hit are the only ones. Just because the Iranians bragged about having material for 11 nukes, does not mean they had full knowledge of the IRGC's program, or that some warheads were already made and near or at operational levels.

Assumptions can be a dangerous outlook. Remember, they were showing off their IRBMs right after the 47's unilateral ceasefire. That show means they likely intend at some point to use them - will the warheads be conventional or ...



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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #415 on: Today at 07:16:42 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on April 25, 2026, 09:46:36 pm
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So, Trump was not lying, them shitheads stole the weapons in KRI, and there’s evidence.
write it down:

PUK (Patriotic Union of Kurdistan) stole the Iranian protester-destined weapons and scammed CIA.
Worse: Helped the Islamic Regime to stand and stay longer.
Who to blame: Bafel Talebani



5:11 PM  ·  Apr 25, 2026  ·  93.3K Views

https://x.com/hey_itsmyturn/status/2048162912682823842

I'm sure the CIA was well aware of the possibility that they could be stolen. Put it down as a test of the PUK's reliability, and a very black mark on any future aid, no matter how desperate their situation.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #416 on: Today at 07:33:40 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on April 25, 2026, 09:46:36 pm
Shin
@hey_itsmyturn

So, Trump was not lying, them shitheads stole the weapons in KRI, and there’s evidence.
write it down:

PUK (Patriotic Union of Kurdistan) stole the Iranian protester-destined weapons and scammed CIA.
Worse: Helped the Islamic Regime to stand and stay longer.
Who to blame: Bafel Talebani



5:11 PM  ·  Apr 25, 2026  ·  93.3K Views

https://x.com/hey_itsmyturn/status/2048162912682823842

Well considering how many times the U.S. has betrayed the Kurds, I geuss they felt entitled to those weapons themselves.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #417 on: Today at 09:45:11 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on Today at 07:33:40 am
Well considering how many times the U.S. has betrayed the Kurds, I geuss they felt entitled to those weapons themselves.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #418 on: Today at 10:05:17 am »
Quote from: DB on April 25, 2026, 08:42:01 pm
That's the claim. But how do you actually know that? Pretty big bet. No one really knows where the uranium is until it is found. And how long will it take to dig it up if it is buried. Not very long. So I'm not buying that is a win.
It is a small bet that we significantly scaled back Iran's ability to manufacture weapons. 
It is also a small bet that we have limited Iran's ability to have cash available to purchase a weapon from a Rogue nation.
And we are not now handing over pallets of cash to Iran so it can manufacture or purchase warheads as Obama and Biden did. 

Or do you disagree that these are positive developments for us to minimize the Iranian terrorist threat, which should be regarded as a win?




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