Bibi torched U.S. support for Israel for a generation

[deb]

As a Jewish guy whose father's family came to America in 1900 from the Ukraine, I might have a bit of experience in that area. (My mom's family came from Hungary and Germany in the 1880's, but that's another story).

Jew hatred most often has its roots in paranoia and xenophobia, and has existed as such for thousands of years across hundreds of nations, not because Jews don't assimilate well (unlike members of another, larger group I might mention), but precisely because they do tend to assimilate, and succeed exceptionally well at it, even while maintaining their essential culture. Envy often plays a role.

The Ukrainian thing on the alt-Right is more complex. Many of us in the larger conservative camp have grown weary of foreign intrigue and military interventions, especially since the end of WWII. Such involvements have generally not worked out very well for America, wasting blood and treasure on places where our national interest has been questionable.

For me, I sure as hell don't want to see a thug like Russia's Putin rewarded for invading Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians, no matter what Russia's historical claim to their border regions might be. But we also must recognize the limits of American interests in that region and also be cognizant of the fact that Ukraine's government has been corrupt and untrustworthy at times. So: support Ukraine, but closely monitor and verify what they are doing with our limited assistance. 
 
Just my .   

I’d pay WAY MORE than 2 cents for your opinion. Thanks for posting this. It’s very similar to what I believe.

[MeganC]

This ⬆️ is how many across the political spectrum also feel about the Middle East.  @andy58-in-nh

Using the bandwagon propaganda technique is rather useless with me. I personally don't GAF what "The Crowd" does or believes.

This is not an argument nor is it a defense of an argument. It's just a vague claim that some vague number of people believe something and for whatever reason you mistakenly think this is supposed to impress me.

It does not.

[Cyber Liberty]

Using the bandwagon propaganda technique is rather useless with me. I personally don't GAF what "The Crowd" does or believes.

This is not an argument nor is it a defense of an argument. It's just a vague claim that some vague number of people believe something and for whatever reason you mistakenly think this is supposed to impress me.

It does not.

 

[DCPatriot]

As a "Boomer" born in '46, I've been absorbing the history of Israel in real time since the 1967 War.

Because many of my closest and dearest friends and business associates are Jewish...cultivated in a 50yr span, I developed an affinity for any "underdog".

Israel...in the Middle East, are the 1950's, 1960's Brooklyn Dodger when compared to the powerful New York Yankees.  Without the USA serving as the 'Junkyard Dog', Israel would have ceased to exist.

To me personally, Israel under attack is no different than Texas or Florida under attack.

And that is MY two cents...

[deb]

As a "Boomer" born in '46, I've been absorbing the history of Israel in real time since the 1967 War.

Because many of my closest and dearest friends and business associates are Jewish...cultivated in a 50yr span, I developed an affinity for any "underdog".

Israel...in the Middle East, are the 1950's, 1960's Brooklyn Dodger when compared to the powerful New York Yankees.  Without the USA serving as the 'Junkyard Dog', Israel would have ceased to exist.

To me personally, Israel under attack is no different than Texas or Florida under attack.

And that is MY two cents...

…for which I’d also pay more than 2 cents. 

[MeganC]

As a "Boomer" born in '46, I've been absorbing the history of Israel in real time since the 1967 War.

Because many of my closest and dearest friends and business associates are Jewish...cultivated in a 50yr span, I developed an affinity for any "underdog".

Israel...in the Middle East, are the 1950's, 1960's Brooklyn Dodger when compared to the powerful New York Yankees.  Without the USA serving as the 'Junkyard Dog', Israel would have ceased to exist.

To me personally, Israel under attack is no different than Texas or Florida under attack.

And that is MY two cents...

Myself, I was born in 1990 and the single best person in my life was named Johann Bos. He was the sole survivor of his family who all died in the Holocaust. Parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins...all dead. Johann, or John as I knew him, managed to survive more than three years at Theresienstadt.

He did not let this tragedy define him. He persevered and prospered and built a new life. First in Israel and then in the United States.

He also took a traumatized and messed up teenage girl under his wing, taught her some of what he had learned when he served Israel, and he taught me to stand up and fight when others would back down.

To me he was always a gentle soul who taught me to use a knife while not making it seem violent. It was just a skill he wanted me to learn.

He set me on a road of learning discipline and self respect. He also instilled in me a sense of justice in which I cannot be silent when others face tyranny.

No one and no country is perfect. But that is not an excuse for someone else to conquer and enslave them for material gain or for vainglorious ego.

I have a love and respect for the Jewish people and for Israel because of John.

I observe several Jewish holidays and traditions in his memory. I bake Hamentaschen for Purim. I bake his favorite Pfeffernüsse for Hanukkah. We have a mezuzah on our doorpost. We observe Passover with a seder.

When the Muslims attack Israel then for me they are attacking John and his family.

When the Russians threaten and attack weaker countries I think of the Jews the Russians gleefully oppressed over the centuries on into my own lifetime.

That some people think atrocities against weaker people are not their problem appalls me.

They say Israel is bad or that Ukraine is corrupt and I answer with the wisdom of a Jewish woman:

"Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?"

- Lillian Hellman

Edit: And those are my two agoras.

[DCPatriot]

Myself, I was born in 1990 and the single best person in my life was named Johann Bos. He was the sole survivor of his family who all died in the Holocaust. Parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins...all dead. Johann, or John as I knew him, managed to survive more than three years at Theresienstadt.

He did not let this tragedy define him. He persevered and prospered and built a new life. First in Israel and then in the United States.

He also took a traumatized and messed up teenage girl under his wing, taught her some of what he had learned when he served Israel, and he taught me to stand up and fight when others would back down.

To me he was always a gentle soul who taught me to use a knife while not making it seem violent. It was just a skill he wanted me to learn.

He set me on a road of learning discipline and self respect. He also instilled in me a sense of justice in which I cannot be silent when others face tyranny.

No one and no country is perfect. But that is not an excuse for someone else to conquer and enslave them for material gain or for vainglorious ego.

I have a love and respect for the Jewish people and for Israel because of John.

I observe several Jewish holidays and traditions in his memory. I bake Hamentaschen for Purim. I bake his favorite Pfeffernüsse for Hanukkah. We have a mezuzah on our doorpost. We observe Passover with a seder.

When the Muslims attack Israel then for me they are attacking John and his family.

When the Russians threaten and attack weaker countries I think of the Jews the Russians gleefully oppressed over the centuries on into my own lifetime.

That some people think atrocities against weaker people are not their problem appalls me.

They say Israel is bad or that Ukraine is corrupt and I answer with the wisdom of a Jewish woman:

"Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?"

- Lillian Hellman

Edit: And those are my two agoras.

That's a beautiful tribute @MeganC   ...even read it twice!   

My personal assistant back in the early 90's (while you were still crawling)    was Jewish (Ellen Cohen)

She invited me to a seder once, but told me I had to "...wear something purple" as it was the custom.

Went and bought a lightweight violet V-neck sweater...and of course they all got a big laugh.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Using the bandwagon propaganda technique is rather useless with me. I personally don't GAF what "The Crowd" does or believes.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

As a "Boomer" born in '46, I've been absorbing the history of Israel in real time since the 1967 War.

Israel...in the Middle East, are the 1950's, 1960's Brooklyn Dodger when compared to the powerful New York Yankees.  Without the USA serving as the 'Junkyard Dog', Israel would have ceased to exist.

Is this how you see Israel in 2026 @DCPatriot ?

[DCPatriot]

Is this how you see Israel in 2026 @DCPatriot ?

LOL!  Not to that 'extreme' @Right_in_Virginia

But...the Dodgers are actually the King of the Hill in MLB right now.  

[roamer_1]

I agree with David Limbaugh with regard to supporting Israel:

I will concur - With more emphasis on the (re)establishment of Israel being the most obvious, earth shaking proof that the Prophecy is moving ahead, even in our day.

And I am very certainly no Dispy.

[roamer_1]

[...]including the lost sheep of Israel?

When Yeshua uttered those words, he was speaking to Jewish Disciples, sending them out to go specifically to the lost sheep of Israel

In that context (which is the right literal context) Who then does he refer to?

[MeganC]

Bless your heart!

[Right_in_Virginia]

When Yeshua uttered those words, he was speaking to Jewish Disciples, sending them out to go specifically to the lost sheep of Israel

In that context (which is the right literal context) Who then does he refer to?

ICYMI from upthread ...

By the way, I seem to remember that management discourages religious debate at this forum. I will respect that guidance.

Okay @mountaineer   I hope your promise to respect the forum's guidance includes not shutting down conversations by throwing your theological beliefs into the mix.

Such misdirection not only discourages much needed political discussion, it also invites religious debate.

Thanks for your reply.

[MeganC]

That's a beautiful tribute @MeganC   ...even read it twice!   

My personal assistant back in the early 90's (while you were still crawling)    was Jewish (Ellen Cohen)

She invited me to a seder once, but told me I had to "...wear something purple" as it was the custom.

Went and bought a lightweight violet V-neck sweater...and of course they all got a big laugh.   

Funny, I never heard of the tradition of wearing purple to a seder. Learn something new every day! 

[roamer_1]

ICYMI from upthread ...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

So... you don't know the answer I guess. 😁👍

[libertybele]

Myself, I was born in 1990 and the single best person in my life was named Johann Bos. He was the sole survivor of his family who all died in the Holocaust. Parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins...all dead. Johann, or John as I knew him, managed to survive more than three years at Theresienstadt.

He did not let this tragedy define him. He persevered and prospered and built a new life. First in Israel and then in the United States.

He also took a traumatized and messed up teenage girl under his wing, taught her some of what he had learned when he served Israel, and he taught me to stand up and fight when others would back down.

To me he was always a gentle soul who taught me to use a knife while not making it seem violent. It was just a skill he wanted me to learn.

He set me on a road of learning discipline and self respect. He also instilled in me a sense of justice in which I cannot be silent when others face tyranny.

No one and no country is perfect. But that is not an excuse for someone else to conquer and enslave them for material gain or for vainglorious ego.

I have a love and respect for the Jewish people and for Israel because of John.

I observe several Jewish holidays and traditions in his memory. I bake Hamentaschen for Purim. I bake his favorite Pfeffernüsse for Hanukkah. We have a mezuzah on our doorpost. We observe Passover with a seder.

When the Muslims attack Israel then for me they are attacking John and his family.

When the Russians threaten and attack weaker countries I think of the Jews the Russians gleefully oppressed over the centuries on into my own lifetime.

That some people think atrocities against weaker people are not their problem appalls me.

They say Israel is bad or that Ukraine is corrupt and I answer with the wisdom of a Jewish woman:

"Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?"

- Lillian Hellman

Edit: And those are my two agoras.

Just beautiful @MeganC   Thank you for sharing.   I have learned a little bit more about you and have come to admire you. Hugs.

[DCPatriot]

Funny, I never heard of the tradition of wearing purple to a seder. Learn something new every day! 

Nobody who attended wore anything purple...at least their outer clothing.

To get back at her, I called it a "Seance" instead of seder.  

[DCPatriot]

Is this how you see Israel in 2026 @DCPatriot ?

3 months ago, my answer would be different.

Today, given the state of Iran, am much less concerned about Israel's ability to defend/take care of herself

[Bigun]

@MeganC

 

I  you!  My oldest was born in 1968 so you could be my granddaughter.

[Right_in_Virginia]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

So... you don't know the answer I guess. 😁👍

I agreed to abide by the forum rules on religious debate.

I was going to ignore your question, but thought surely even you would understand the debate dynamics in play.     
 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Today, given the state of Iran, am much less concerned about Israel's ability to defend/take care of herself

Would you now be amenable to discussing [not tonight  ] the most appropriate political relationship between the United States and Israel (indeed, the Middle East) going forward? ----


@DCPatriot

[DCPatriot]

Would you now be amenable to discussing [not tonight ] the most appropriate political relationship between the United States and Israel (indeed, the Middle East) going forward? ----


@DCPatriot

@Right_in_Virginia

ROFL!!  Love ya!   Of course! 

And stay strong...don't ever change!

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

ROFL!!  Love ya!   Of course! 

And stay strong...don't ever change!

   @DCPatriot

[MeganC]

Nobody who attended wore anything purple...at least their outer clothing.

To get back at her, I called it a "Seance" instead of seder.  

 

[roamer_1]

I agreed to abide by the forum rules on religious debate.

I was going to ignore your question, but thought surely even you would understand the debate dynamics in play.     

My point was not a religious one, but rather, that you were using the quoted phrase out of its literal context, and using it to create a misleading and poorly constructed foundation for your argument.

The text says what it says. to do otherwise will require religion to defend it - a quote from Augustine or the like to assure us all of a spiritual meaning rather than taking the words on their face - Which will also be indefensible.