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If we don’t lock up and treat the mentally ill, we’ll continue to pay a deadly price
By Stephen Eide   
Published April 19, 2026, 3:13 p.m. ET
New York Post
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... On the whole, 2025 was a historically great one for public safety. Murders and crime overall dropped nationwide. But in too many cases, ideology, incompetence and unaccountability defined our government’s response to mental illness-related violence in America. And, in the worst cases, made “by reason of insanity” a perverse get-out-of-jail-free card that puts them back on the streets.

Law professors will tell you that a classic verdict of “not guilty for reason of insanity” is rarely used successfully. States put restrictions on that legal maneuver after John Hinckley shot President Reagan in 1981. Hinckley’s lawyers got him off on an insanity plea, provoking widespread outrage. ...

With mentally ill offenders, the George Soros crowd asserts that the typical case shouldn’t be seen as bad, and in need of punishment, but rather mad, and in need of treatment.

Diverting mentally ill offenders into treatment can succeed with small-scale programs exercising vigilant supervision. Mass scale diversion will never work, though. ...

Bipartisan failure created the bed shortage. Democrats fear the wrath of disability rights activists who frame even minor investments in inpatient capacity as a slippery slope towards a mass roundup of neurodivergent Americans. And Republicans blanch at the price tag of expanding institutional care, an admittedly expensive but also necessary and humane mode of treatment.  ...
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The mentally ill need to be treated in a humane manner.  Many are on the streets, so identifying individuals as mentally unstable and getting them into treatment is going to be difficult.  Who is going to determine their mental stability??  Usually they are identified once a crime is committed and then they are incarcerated anyways.  So ... depending on  the crime ..... treatment and rehabilitation is necessary.  I don't believe that is the protocol, I believe they are incarcerated, made to do their time and released.

The same protocol is used for drug offenders; they do their time and then let back out on the streets with no rehabilitation or treatment so it becomes and revolving door for the offenders.

It really is a sad state of affairs and one that will take a significant amount of work to make laws that can effectively deal with mental illness.  Taking them off the streets and then throwing away the key to me is not an option.
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The mentally ill need to be treated in a humane manner.  Many are on the streets, so identifying individuals as mentally unstable and getting them into treatment is going to be difficult.  Who is going to determine their mental stability??  Usually they are identified once a crime is committed and then they are incarcerated anyways.  So ... depending on  the crime ..... treatment and rehabilitation is necessary.  I don't believe that is the protocol, I believe they are incarcerated, made to do their time and released.

The same protocol is used for drug offenders; they do their time and then let back out on the streets with no rehabilitation or treatment so it becomes and revolving door for the offenders.

It really is a sad state of affairs and one that will take a significant amount of work to make laws that can effectively deal with mental illness.  Taking them off the streets and then throwing away the key to me is not an option.
For the mentally ill, I can see where Democrats would not want them to be snagged as inpatients. Especially after watching the screaming threats etc. presented as videos on 'X' and elsewhere. The TDS crowd (I'm being nice) is often similarly afflicted screaming or typing irrational threats at the world. These people need help, and if they are seeing a therapist, it isn't working or they are off their meds.

Of course, examining the behaviour, would mean examining the triggers, and that would indict the MSM and a herd of 'influencers' out there who are fomenting mindless hatred. I'm not sure we, as a country, could afford inpatient treatment for those afflicted with that Mass Formation Psychosis, and any attempt to round up the sufferers would be characterized (because of their apparent numbers) as some sort of concentration camps.

But for those who have already exhibited violent behaviour, well, that's a place to start, and the treatment has to be open ended, with follow up evaluations to ensure there is no relapse.Perhaps the prospect of indefinite committal would serve as a damper on their tendency to have violent and destructive tantrums.

Something essential for drug offenders (especially users) is to make a break with the user crowd they hung out with. Put back on the streets, no job, no place, no money, they have little option but to rely on family (if their family will even have them) or they end up crashing with the old crowd, likely still using. It's ridiculously difficult to stay clean in that environment, because for most, that's where they got messed up to begin with.
Some parole/rehab programs are similarly difficult, requiring the parolee to have a job, their own place, then scheduling parole meetings in the middle of their work day instead of working around that, and on short notice, almost as if the intent was for the person to fail.  If they lose the job and can't pay rent, they end up running with the old crowd and, inevitably, back in lockup.
For those who genuinely want to get clean and change their life, it need not be made more difficult by the bureaucrats who are overseeing their programs.
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I hate that truly mentally ill people don't seem to have many treatment options, and wish state governments would try to address that lack. The TDS people - trantifa immediately comes to mind - are in serious need of help, and they don't see it.

The drug courts seem to have had some success. Unfortunately, as we saw in the USSR (and the Biden administration would have loved doing), political opponents can be branded as mentally ill and shipped off to involuntary commitment.

Providing real treatment options is all about money, and legislators would rather waste tax dollars on certain programs that guarantee them kickbacks than on offering solutions to real problems.
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-- Dean Koontz, "The Friend of the Family"