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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2026, 05:35:38 pm »
GOP Congress won't make any legislative contributions to fighting inflation.  They're as useless as an ice maker in Antarctica.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2026, 05:51:53 pm »
GOP Congress won't make any legislative contributions to fighting inflation.  They're as useless as an ice maker in Antarctica.
Inflation has already come down. What are you talking about?

But here’s what people miss: inflation is cumulative. Once prices rise because the dollar loses value, they don’t simply snap back. Sellers aren’t “greedy.” They’re responding to a dollar that buys less. If the currency is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the same goods.

From 2020 through early 2024, cumulative inflation was roughly 25–26% based on CPI data. In plain terms, a dollar today buys about 76 cents worth of what it did in 2020. That purchasing power is gone. It doesn’t magically reappear.

The spending and borrowing spree drove that loss in value. Every dollar saved. Every paycheck earned. Quietly reduced by about a quarter.

Now the same people who helped create the problem pretend it can be “fixed” by forcing prices back to pre-pandemic levels. That’s not how monetary debasement works. You don’t rewind the tape without causing a severe recession or deflationary shock.

Blaming Republicans today for not rolling prices back to 2020 levels ignores basic economics. It also plays directly into the political narrative that inflation is something you can reverse like flipping a switch.

It isn’t. And pretending otherwise just muddies the debate
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2026, 06:00:11 pm »
Inflation has already come down. What are you talking about?

But here’s what people miss: inflation is cumulative. Once prices rise because the dollar loses value, they don’t simply snap back. Sellers aren’t “greedy.” They’re responding to a dollar that buys less. If the currency is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the same goods.

From 2020 through early 2024, cumulative inflation was roughly 25–26% based on CPI data. In plain terms, a dollar today buys about 76 cents worth of what it did in 2020. That purchasing power is gone. It doesn’t magically reappear.

The spending and borrowing spree drove that loss in value. Every dollar saved. Every paycheck earned. Quietly reduced by about a quarter.

Now the same people who helped create the problem pretend it can be “fixed” by forcing prices back to pre-pandemic levels. That’s not how monetary debasement works. You don’t rewind the tape without causing a severe recession or deflationary shock.

Blaming Republicans today for not rolling prices back to 2020 levels ignores basic economics. It also plays directly into the political narrative that inflation is something you can reverse like flipping a switch.

It isn’t. And pretending otherwise just muddies the debate

100% correct!  Prices coming back down would be deflationary, and that presents a brand new set of economic consequences.  Income needs to expand to re-acquire the lost buying power. 

Inflation is a ratchet.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2026, 06:01:56 pm »
100% correct!  Prices coming back down would be deflationary, and that presents a brand new set of economic consequences.  Income needs to expand to re-acquire the lost buying power. 

Inflation is a ratchet.

Exactly.

Two consecutive quarters of negative inflation is a Recession.

Five or more is a Depression.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2026, 06:04:08 pm »
Prices are what prices are.

Inflation is the rate at which those prices are changing.

That rate has slowed to under 3%, and is lower in some sectors.

Prices that were driven by shortages in supply have come down where those supply issues have been sorted out (gasoline, eggs, for two items).
Beef hasn't come down because it takes time to rebuild the herds, and while imports may drop prices a little temporarily, they actually make it harder for livestock producers to build those herds, which will essentially amount to doing more work for less money per head. Still, it takes longer for a calf to gestate than a human, and then it has to grow to be marketable for a couple more years.

Essentially, though prices are one thing, the result of inflation. Inflation is the rate those prices change, not the change itself, and reducing inflation does not reduce prices unless the inflation rate goes negative (which is deflation, and that's generally considered bad because the value of anything bought on installments will drop below the price paid for it). If you want a reason to NOT buy stuff, that is one, just wait until it's cheaper next week, at least until the people producing it stop because they are losing money.

Peak inflation under Biden was at 8%, and now it's roughly a fourth of what it was, so inflation has dropped about 75%. The prices have not dropped because inflation is still a positive number.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2026, 06:06:57 pm »
Inflation is a ratchet.

Inflation is a choice made by the federal government.

There is more spending than revenues, the feds have choices.

1. Not spend the money. That would have all manners of consequences where we can’t pay our bills.
2. Raise taxes. Highly politically unpopular.
3. Borrow the money (print) and devalue the entire money supply in the nation in one fell swoop, which means that the transferred their $$$ shortcoming to us, then act surprised when prices go up, blame the other guy, and avoid risks to their political career.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2026, 06:41:37 pm »
100% correct!  Prices coming back down would be deflationary, and that presents a brand new set of economic consequences.  Income needs to expand to re-acquire the lost buying power. 

Inflation is a ratchet.

That's right. But sooner or later you have to recognize that there are too many Benjamins in the air.

Either you take it out of the top by a deflationary method (real interest rates to slow things down... Burning excess dollars to raise dollar value...)

OR it comes out of the bottom in massive bankruptcies and failures. That's how the bottom makes many Benjamins disappear.

One or the other. It's coming either way. A responsible deflationary strategy from the top would be the least harmful way. But that ain't gonna happen.  **nononono*
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2026, 06:47:34 pm »
Inflation is a choice made by the federal government.

There is more spending than revenues, the feds have choices.

1. Not spend the money. That would have all manners of consequences where we can’t pay our bills.
2. Raise taxes. Highly politically unpopular.
3. Borrow the money (print) and devalue the entire money supply in the nation in one fell swoop, which means that the transferred their $$$ shortcoming to us, then act surprised when prices go up, blame the other guy, and avoid risks to their political career.

Option number one is the least bad.  Spend within our means, what a concept!

You and I understand economics, as do most of the people on TBR.  Those who demand 2020 prices across the board do not, and that's what the Democrat demagogues prey upon.  I  see that a lot on X, because it's full of idiots. I expect better on TBR.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2026, 06:50:18 pm »
That's right. But sooner or later you have to recognize that there are too many Benjamins in the air.

Either you take it out of the top by a deflationary method (real interest rates to slow things down... Burning excess dollars to raise dollar value...)

OR it comes out of the bottom in massive bankruptcies and failures. That's how the bottom makes many Benjamins disappear.

One or the other. It's coming either way. A responsible deflationary strategy from the top would be the least harmful way. But that ain't gonna happen.  **nononono*

100% correct, top to bottom.  You understand Econ 101!   :beer:
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2026, 07:21:21 pm »
Inflation has already come down. What are you talking about?

But here’s what people miss: inflation is cumulative. Once prices rise because the dollar loses value, they don’t simply snap back. Sellers aren’t “greedy.” They’re responding to a dollar that buys less. If the currency is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the same goods.

From 2020 through early 2024, cumulative inflation was roughly 25–26% based on CPI data. In plain terms, a dollar today buys about 76 cents worth of what it did in 2020. That purchasing power is gone. It doesn’t magically reappear.

The spending and borrowing spree drove that loss in value. Every dollar saved. Every paycheck earned. Quietly reduced by about a quarter.

Now the same people who helped create the problem pretend it can be “fixed” by forcing prices back to pre-pandemic levels. That’s not how monetary debasement works. You don’t rewind the tape without causing a severe recession or deflationary shock.

Blaming Republicans today for not rolling prices back to 2020 levels ignores basic economics. It also plays directly into the political narrative that inflation is something you can reverse like flipping a switch.

It isn’t. And pretending otherwise just muddies the debate

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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2026, 07:28:16 pm »
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2026, 07:30:05 pm »
100% correct!  Prices coming back down would be deflationary, and that presents a brand new set of economic consequences.  Income needs to expand to re-acquire the lost buying power. 

Inflation is a ratchet.

 :yowsa: And it doesn't just affect prices. It drives the percentage of your income the government takes in taxes ever upward.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2026, 07:34:55 pm »
But here’s what people miss: inflation is cumulative. Once prices rise because the dollar loses value, they don’t simply snap back. Sellers aren’t “greedy.” They’re responding to a dollar that buys less. If the currency is worth less, it takes more of them to buy the same goods.

From 2020 through early 2024, cumulative inflation was roughly 25–26% based on CPI data. In plain terms, a dollar today buys about 76 cents worth of what it did in 2020. That purchasing power is gone. It doesn’t magically reappear.

The spending and borrowing spree drove that loss in value. Every dollar saved. Every paycheck earned. Quietly reduced by about a quarter.

Now the same people who helped create the problem pretend it can be “fixed” by forcing prices back to pre-pandemic levels. That’s not how monetary debasement works.

Correctamundo.  If you want to bring prices down, then start by balancing the budget and paying back the Fed.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2026, 08:03:59 pm »
Correctamundo.  If you want to bring prices down, then start by balancing the budget and paying back the Fed.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2026, 08:13:57 pm »
One thing has nothing to do with the other.

The first means that we stop expanding the money supply to fund government.  The second means that we begin reducing it.  Paying back the Fed effectively removes that money from circulation.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2026, 08:24:49 pm »
There are a few grocery items that I have noticed that have come down a little bit.  Prices are never going to completely come down to the pre-Biden era. Grocery prices never came down to pre-Carter era..

Prices of other items items such as gas have come down a bit, our car insurance went down a bit ... and hopefully utilities will follow, along with insurance and taxes.  There is a lot of fraud out there which doesn't help.

Trump inherited Biden's disastrous economy, but ultimately now it is Trump's economy.  He's facing several roadblocks which isn't helping.  I still believe IF anyone can fix the economy it's him and he can direct Congress to balance the budget, but getting that done is going to take a small miracle...that and the GOP holding the Senate and House.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2026, 10:52:48 pm »
The first means that we stop expanding the money supply to fund government.  The second means that we begin reducing it.  Paying back the Fed effectively removes that money from circulation.
I think you’re mixing up two different things.

Paying off the national debt would not bring prices back down. Inflation doesn’t work in reverse like that. Once prices rise, that becomes the new baseline. Reducing the debt might slow future inflation, but it doesn’t rewind the price level to where it was before.

To actually bring prices down across the board, you’d need sustained deflation. And historically, deflation comes with falling wages, layoffs, business failures, and recession. That’s not something you casually wish for.

Debt is a long-term fiscal issue. Inflation is about the rate at which prices are rising right now. They’re connected through government spending and demand, but they aren’t the same lever.

If we stopped running large deficits, that could reduce upward pressure going forward. But it wouldn’t make your grocery bill look like 2019 again.

I’m all for fiscal discipline. I just think we should be clear about what it can and can’t actually do.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2026, 11:02:18 pm »
Here’s the thing.

The Democrats KNOW they created the issue. They also know that the unwashed don’t have a clue about any of this economic shit, so the Dems use that, and turn their mess into their armor.

Affordability is just the word they KNOW the plebe will latch on to, and they use it to blame the guy who said he would fix it.

If prices drop to pre-Covid era levels, we won’t be able to afford shit anyway, because we will probably be knee-deep in a depression.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2026, 11:26:44 pm »
I think you’re mixing up two different things.

Paying off the national debt would not bring prices back down. Inflation doesn’t work in reverse like that. Once prices rise, that becomes the new baseline. Reducing the debt might slow future inflation, but it doesn’t rewind the price level to where it was before.

I'm not talking about reducing debt in general - just the debt to the Fed.  I'm talking about decreasing the money supply.  Any debt paid back to the Fed would reduce the money supply by removing that money from circulation.

For over a decade and a half, we have been financing government budget deficits by printing money - specifically, the Fed issuing new money out of thin air and lending that money to Congress.  This is why interest rates have remained so low over that period.  Government doesn't have to compete for dollars to fund its excesses.  It simply has the Fed manufacture dollars for it.

In today's market, if the government had to sell $2 trillion in bonds every year just to fund itself, interest rates would end up in the double digits to raise that much cash.  So the Fed issues money (i.e. Qualitative Easing) to cover that gap while allowing the rest of the economy to fund itself, keeping interest rates low.  Of course this has a negative effect because it devalues current dollars.  Instead of raising taxes to cover that gap (a gap impossible to fill), it instead steals value from anyone holding dollars.

The only way to reverse that is to remove those added dollars.  And government can do this by removing dollars from circulation and giving them back to the Fed.  Or better yet, piling up several trillion dollars in the middle of a field somewhere and setting it on fire.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2026, 11:33:58 pm »
I'm not talking about reducing debt in general - just the debt to the Fed.  I'm talking about decreasing the money supply.  Any debt paid back to the Fed would reduce the money supply by removing that money from circulation.

For over a decade and a half, we have been financing government budget deficits by printing money - specifically, the Fed issuing new money out of thin air and lending that money to Congress.  This is why interest rates have remained so low over that period.  Government doesn't have to compete for dollars to fund its excesses.  It simply has the Fed manufacture dollars for it.

In today's market, if the government had to sell $2 trillion in bonds every year just to fund itself, interest rates would end up in the double digits to raise that much cash.  So the Fed issues money (i.e. Qualitative Easing) to cover that gap while allowing the rest of the economy to fund itself, keeping interest rates low.  Of course this has a negative effect because it devalues current dollars.  Instead of raising taxes to cover that gap (a gap impossible to fill), it instead steals value from anyone holding dollars.

The only way to reverse that is to remove those added dollars.  And government can do this by removing dollars from circulation and giving them back to the Fed.  Or better yet, piling up several trillion dollars in the middle of a field somewhere and setting it on fire.

I think you’re oversimplifying how this works.

First, the Federal Reserve does not “lend money to Congress.” The Treasury issues bonds to the market. Banks, pension funds, foreign investors, and institutions buy them. The Federal Reserve may later purchase some of those bonds on the secondary market through Quantitative Easing, but that is not the same as directly financing Congress. The structure matters.

Second, Quantitative Easing largely created bank reserves, not piles of spendable cash circulating through the economy. Those reserves sit within the banking system. From 2010 to 2019, we had years of Quantitative Easing and still very low inflation. That alone shows that expanding the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet does not automatically translate into consumer price inflation. Inflation happens when broad money and credit expand into the real economy faster than goods and services can keep up.

Third, yes, if the Treasury ran sustained surpluses and paid down debt held by the Federal Reserve, reserves in the banking system would decline. That would reduce liquidity. But to do that, the government would have to tax more than it spends. That removes income from the private sector. Done aggressively, that doesn’t just lower inflation. It risks recession.

Fourth, the idea that interest rates would be in the double digits without Federal Reserve purchases is speculation. During the 2010–2019 period, Treasuries were heavily purchased by private and foreign investors even when Quantitative Easing slowed. Rates were low globally because of demographics, high savings, and weak growth. It was not solely the Federal Reserve suppressing them.

Finally, shrinking the money supply in a highly leveraged economy increases the real burden of debt. That is how you create credit stress. That is how downturns begin.

If the goal is stable prices, the solution is sustained fiscal discipline and steady monetary policy over time. Dramatically contracting the money supply by “burning dollars” sounds decisive, but in practice it can break the system faster than it fixes inflation.
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I think you’re oversimplifying how this works.

First, the Federal Reserve does not “lend money to Congress.” The Treasury issues bonds to the market. Banks, pension funds, foreign investors, and institutions buy them. The Federal Reserve may later purchase some of those bonds on the secondary market through Quantitative Easing, but that is not the same as directly financing Congress. The structure matters.

Q:  Where does the Federal Reserve get the money to purchase bonds?

A:  They invent it.

The Fed's Effect on Deficits and Debt

Government needs money.  So they print up bonds to sell on the open market, except they're only offering 0.5% on these bonds.  They soon find out that no one is buying at such a low rate.  Then the Fed steps in and buys them (using Goldman Sachs as the middle man).  So where did the Fed get the money?  As THE central controllers of the money supply, they can do whatever they want.  They control the balance sheet.


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1913 was a VERY bad year for America! 1. Income tax 2. Federal Reserve banks 3. 17th amendment.


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« Reply #23 on: Today at 09:35:43 am »
Those charts do not necessarily reflect what I've experienced, and I'm very attentive to grocery prices. Beef and some center-store items (e.g., soft drinks, vegetable shortening, anything with chocolate, some canned vegetables) definitely continue to be higher than before, but the prices of many dairy products have come down substantially. Milk never did fluctuate too much around here.

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« Reply #24 on: Today at 09:59:31 am »
1913 was a VERY bad year for America! 1. Income tax 2. Federal Reserve banks 3. 17th amendment.

That's the triple whammy that plagues us to this very day.

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« Reply #25 on: Today at 10:05:41 am »
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Courtesy of: Woodrow Wilson.

Actually Mrs. Woodrow Wilson, but it really doesn't matter much does it. They still have the mechanisms they use to keep us under control.

"By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."

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« Reply #26 on: Today at 10:52:24 am »
Actually Mrs. Woodrow Wilson, but it really doesn't matter much does it. They still have the mechanisms they use to keep us under control.

"By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."

John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of The Peace, 1920.
Well, they get greater value for the money they spend today than the value of the dollars it will be paid back in. Problem is servicing the interest on the debt outstrips the inflation rate and it's a net loss.

"Buying" gold from Americans (confiscating it:1933) at $20.67 per ounce, and then declaring gold to be worth $35.00/oz was probably one of the most egregious devaluations of the US Dollar (40% overnight), but at least there were still silver coins in circulation.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #27 on: Today at 11:27:02 am »
Actually Mrs. Woodrow Wilson, but it really doesn't matter much does it. They still have the mechanisms they use to keep us under control.

"By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."

John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of The Peace, 1920.

And that's Keynes saying that, the architect of modern lefty economics.

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« Reply #28 on: Today at 11:56:08 am »
Remember when everything cost a nickel and Rockefeller handed out dimes?
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« Reply #29 on: Today at 12:10:04 pm »
And that's Keynes saying that, the architect of modern lefty economics.

In 1920! LONG before he went stark raving nutso!
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« Reply #30 on: Today at 12:17:05 pm »
If inflation is higher than interest rates, does that mean that holding bonds is no longer a means of preserving wealth?

If the mark-to-market value of bonds has to decrease to compensate for higher rates or higher inflation, doesn't that make them a risky asset to hold as collateral or bank reserves?

When the Fed was raising rates, a couple of banks in California became insolvent because they held too many 30 year treasury bonds that lost mark-to-market value as reserves / collateral.
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Re: Grocery prices Haven't Come Down Since Peak Inflation
« Reply #31 on: Today at 12:21:22 pm »
If inflation is higher than interest rates, does that mean that holding bonds is no longer a means of preserving wealth?

If the mark-to-market value of bonds has to decrease to compensate for higher rates or higher inflation, doesn't that make them a risky asset to hold as collateral or bank reserves?

When the Fed was raising rates, a couple of banks in California became insolvent because they held too many 30 year treasury bonds that lost mark-to-market value as reserves / collateral.

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Remember when everything cost a nickel and Rockefeller handed out dimes?

And the dimes had silver in them.
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Inflation negates the viability of longer-term debt instruments collateral and as a means of storing and preserving wealth.

For some, the interest rate on a 30 years treasury bond may no longer sufficient to compensate for duration opportunity-cost and risk.

Long-duration fixed-rate debt instruments transition from financial assets to financial liabilities.

The real reason the Fed fights inflation is for the stability of the financial system, no for the stability of consumer prices.

The dual mandate of the Fed means, at some points, it needs to choose between employment stability and financial stability.  In the past, it has chosen financial stability over employment stability.  The Fed has viewed unemployment as the lesser of the economic evils to preserve financial stability.

Unfortunately, this means the Fed is a friend of the banks, not the friend of the people.

One way to fight inflation is productivity gains and efficiency gains in the economy via technological advancement and capital equipment investment.

For food (which is not used as long-term collateral) prices to sustainably decrease, the number of human hour dollars per unit needs to decrease throughout the agricultural supply chain, while also insuring that no single producer or cartel has monopoly or oligopoly pricing power.

Productivity gains and free market competition are necessary to reduce the nominal retail price of food.
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« Reply #34 on: Today at 01:02:40 pm »
Inflation negates the viability of longer-term debt instruments collateral and as a means of storing and preserving wealth.

For some, the interest rate on a 30 years treasury bond may no longer sufficient to compensate for duration opportunity-cost and risk.

Long-duration fixed-rate debt instruments transition from financial assets to financial liabilities.

The real reason the Fed fights inflation is for the stability of the financial system, no for the stability of consumer prices.

The dual mandate of the Fed means, at some points, it needs to choose between employment stability and financial stability.  In the past, it has chosen financial stability over employment stability.  The Fed has viewed unemployment as the lesser of the economic evils to preserve financial stability.

Unfortunately, this means the Fed is a friend of the banks, not the friend of the people.

One way to fight inflation is productivity gains and efficiency gains in the economy via technological advancement and capital equipment investment.

For food (which is not used as long-term collateral) prices to sustainably decrease, the number of human hour dollars per unit needs to decrease throughout the agricultural supply chain, while also insuring that no single producer or cartel has monopoly or oligopoly pricing power.

Productivity gains and free market competition are necessary to reduce the nominal retail price of food.

Where I come from, selling something and then purposefully devaluing the thing just sold so it can be bought back at half what it sold for is a sophisticated form of theft.
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The real reason the Fed fights inflation is for the stability of the financial system, no for the stability of consumer prices.

This is only WHEN they choose to fight inflation.   If they cared about the stability of consumer prices, they would simply stop expanding the money supply.

From the end of the eighteenth century until the arrival of Maynard Keynes, the UK held its money supply constant.  And the price of a loaf of bread in 1796 cost the same as it did in 1930,
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